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Wich one better?? X1950Pro 512Mb or EN8800GTS 320Mb

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July 25, 2007 1:44:26 PM

My motherboard will be the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe. I'm thinking having SLI in the futur but apprently it's possible but hard to put 2 ATI on a SLI Board.. (i love challenge) so anyway.. wich one would you recommend me?

PowerColor ATI X1950Pro 512MB DDR3 256bits - 600Mhz Core / 1400Mhz Memory

Asus EN8800GTS 320MB DDR3 320bits - 500Mhz Core / 1600 Mhz Memory

I'm playing games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Half-Life 2, NFS Carbon, Test Drive Unlimited, Prey at 1280x1024 on a LCD 19in Monitor.
Got 500W of P/S with +38A on the +12V and it's SLI Ready.
CPU is AMD Athlon64 3800+ (2.4Ghz stock - OC @ 2.7Ghz)
Ram is 3Gb (will have 4 soon) DDR400 Dual Channel.
HD 2x 160gb SATA 150 Raid 0 - 250Gb SATA 150 for backup.

I can't go higher cause it's over my budget. Those 2 cards are in my price range.

Thanks for all your reply.

July 25, 2007 2:18:17 PM

I would say 8800GTS 320MB is better for what you need - at least you are going to get some way into Direct X 10.

To be honest this is a no brainer!
July 25, 2007 2:26:24 PM

Neither, the 8800GTX all the way! Even if you have to take out a second mortgage to get it! JK! Like he said performancewise the 8800GTS 320 is a no brainer.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
July 25, 2007 2:28:22 PM

The 8800gts would be the better card
Mactronix
July 25, 2007 2:45:12 PM

8800gts 320 - it's probably the best value DX10 card there is.
July 25, 2007 2:49:40 PM

The 8800GTS 320MB is generally faster than the X1950XTX, so it'll easily outperform the X1950Pro.
July 25, 2007 2:59:40 PM

8800GTS
July 25, 2007 7:10:40 PM

Thanks all for your reply :D 

That's what i ordered this afternoon, sadly it BO but suppose to get it before 2 weeks.

Meanwhile i'll have my board friday and i'll try 2 8500GT in SLI lol just for fun and compare hehe :) 

In couples of month for christmas i hope, i will get another 8800GTS 320mb to get it in SLI but probably need an upgrade on the PSU.
Again thanks all for your comments.

:bounce: 
July 25, 2007 7:18:51 PM

Craxbax said:
Neither, the 8800GTX all the way! Even if you have to take out a second mortgage to get it! JK! Like he said performancewise the 8800GTS 320 is a no brainer.


:lol:  "Even if you have to take out a second mortgage to get it!" <-- good one lol
July 25, 2007 7:30:52 PM

djthewizz said:
Thanks all for your reply :D 

That's what i ordered this afternoon, sadly it BO but suppose to get it before 2 weeks.

Meanwhile i'll have my board friday and i'll try 2 8500GT in SLI lol just for fun and compare hehe :) 

In couples of month for christmas i hope, i will get another 8800GTS 320mb to get it in SLI but probably need an upgrade on the PSU.
Again thanks all for your comments.

:bounce: 


Don't bother with SLI GTS, either SLI GTX or nothing. When the time comes just sell the GTS and get a newer, better single card solution.
July 25, 2007 9:17:48 PM

thanks for the advise. i'll do that
July 27, 2007 7:28:55 AM

Finally, i ordered the Asus EN8800GTS 640mb instead... can't wait a month or two to get the 320mb hehe. It's a 100$ CND more but i think it's a good choice. Can't wait to try it monday!!! :) 
July 27, 2007 8:11:03 AM

Yep good stuff - hope you like it
July 28, 2007 12:57:25 AM

damn you! i wish I hadn't been such a moron and hadn't bought that damn 8600 gts *shakes fist at nvidia for producing such crap*
July 28, 2007 3:39:46 PM

that's why we have this forum... you should read some posting before making a purchase... that's what i did and i had some really good advice (like always) Like thay said.. 8600 good for multimedia but for games... go with 8800 series :)  i'll let some info about my 8500GT in SLI by monday... for a good laugh :kaola: 
July 28, 2007 5:05:35 PM

Yes 8800 series was the best choice.1950 is a good card for around 150$ on newegg but you can't SLI ATI cards .And as Emp said,when that GTS doesn't cut it anymore,sell it and get a newer model.I own the same MB and an 8800 will be my last GPU upgrade on this rig.Maybe an Opteron too since I still use a 4000+
July 29, 2007 6:57:51 AM

8800GTS 320 is better
July 31, 2007 11:47:59 AM

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Yes 8800 series was the best choice.1950 is a good card for around 150$ on newegg but you can't SLI ATI cards .And as Emp said,when that GTS doesn't cut it anymore,sell it and get a newer model.I own the same MB and an 8800 will be my last GPU upgrade on this rig.Maybe an Opteron too since I still use a 4000+
Thanks Uberman..
I read somewhere that somehow you can SLI 2 ATI Card but it's pretty hard.. didnt search for more info on that..

I would like to upgrade my CPU to a 4200+ or 4600+ for Dual Core since i just have a 3800+ single core but i also wondering if it's worth it to upgrade that??? Now i'm thinking is 2 8800GTS 640Mb in SLI is worth it ??? since i saw Emp saying:
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Don't bother with SLI GTS, either SLI GTX or nothing. When the time comes just sell the GTS and get a newer, better single card solution.
So if someone have 2 8800GTS 640Mb in SLI ... would like to hear from you if it worth to spend the $ or go higher with only a single card like GTX or even wait for the 9800 series...

Didn't receive my EN8800GTS 640Mb yet.. just gonna have it by friday :cry: 

And for the 8500GT in SLI... lol it's a joke.. my Evga 7800GS 256mb AGP8x card eat those alive lol.. but for video playback, really good quality.
Thanks all for your help. :D 
July 31, 2007 12:24:10 PM

Yeah I guess there are hacked drivers so you can run ATI cards in SLI but I don't know how well they work.Two gts640 cards in SLI will cost as much as a GTX and the gtx would be better at least from a heat and power standpoint.As for the CPU i'm looking at the Opteron 180 or 185 as those are the last best chips for socket 939 out there and the prices are good too.
July 31, 2007 1:39:29 PM

uberman said:
Yeah I guess there are hacked drivers so you can run ATI cards in SLI


:non: 
July 31, 2007 2:56:14 PM

i thought ATI cards in sli were called CROSSFIRE
a c 143 U Graphics card
July 31, 2007 3:24:28 PM

ethel said:
:non: 


I wonder what else these drivers do - send your passwords and bank account numbers to a site in China, maybe? Now seriously, you risk getting yourself or your hardware in trouble.
July 31, 2007 4:00:01 PM

they are talking about running that crossfire setup on an sli board... thus calling it "sli" b/c "crossfire" needs a crossfire board. It is not supported by ati OR Nv at all... but where there's a will, there's a way. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
July 31, 2007 4:50:08 PM

And remember these hacked drivers come from companies like Falcon Northwest and the like because they wanted the benefits of the nV chipset, but the power of the X19xx series. It's nothing new, but also not for the tame.

BTW, what do you call 2 nV cards on the future Foxconn MoBo, GF8800s in Xfire? Because the board will be native Xfire, but will also support nulti card solution from nVidia without naming 'SLi' directly (IMO to avoid paying the SLi tax).
July 31, 2007 4:55:11 PM

uhhh that's pretty obvious, that's CrossSLI... or SLIfire. Im confused now :S which one is the right one haha.
July 31, 2007 5:37:33 PM

A little off topic, but increasing memory from 3 GB to 4 GB (as you mentioned) will not give a big boost in todays games, at least if your 3 GB is already set up in dual channel. You are buying DDR400 memory which can't be transferred to your next rig anyway.
July 31, 2007 6:01:37 PM

Look at Tom's home page.

VGA Charts 2007

July 31, 2007 6:11:12 PM

You will need a new Motherboard too.

From your post above you stated, "And for the 8500GT in SLI... lol it's a joke.. my Evga 7800GS 256mb AGP8x card eat those alive lol.. but for video playback, really good quality".

The 8800 is PCI Express. Won't work in your board.
July 31, 2007 7:46:15 PM

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You will need a new Motherboard too.

From your post above you stated, "And for the 8500GT in SLI... lol it's a joke.. my Evga 7800GS 256mb AGP8x card eat those alive lol.. but for video playback, really good quality".

The 8800 is PCI Express. Won't work in your board

Check my first message.. ii said that my board will be a Asus A8N32-SLI and that's what i have now.. this is why i have 2 8500GT in SLI. it's just for the time i receive my 8800. my older board was S754 with AGP ...

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A little off topic, but increasing memory from 3 GB to 4 GB (as you mentioned) will not give a big boost in todays games, at least if your 3 GB is already set up in dual channel. You are buying DDR400 memory which can't be transferred to your next rig anyway.

Thanks for the advise :)  but i wonder if upgrading my cpu to 4200+ X2 will show some improvement Probably cause of the Dual Core and X2 on the CPU Cache.

and for the rest of you guys..OMG lol i didnt imagine that it will boost the debate :sol: 
Here it's TheGreatGrapeApe who said that on another post on tom's forum.
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You can run ATi cards in Crossfire mode in an SLi MoBo, but not easily, and really if you don't already know how, then I wouldn't recommend it, I'd simpply suggest getting a better single card.
hehe that's why i said that.. i'm just starting with SLI so don't confuse me more with Crossfire lol :kaola: 
I know that you need a Crossfire board to run 2 ATI Cards.. i'm not gonna buy some expensive cards just to see if it's gonna work or not.. :lol:  but it don't matter now cause now i'm waiting for my 8800GTS 640Mb :) 
Thanks for all your reply.
July 31, 2007 7:55:59 PM

Good Luck!
August 2, 2007 12:04:18 AM

Well... finally, im going with the EN8800GTX 768Mb... lol have to wait 2 more weeks before having the GTS 640Mb and i'm tired to wait so i have to do the ultimate sacrifice and spend more $$$ but i think it will worth it :) 
I just hope my CPU won't be a bottleneck.

So later.. when i'll upgrade my PSU, i will get another one to put those 2 baby in SLI ... (dribble) :pt1cable: 

peace out! :D 
August 2, 2007 10:36:30 PM

Good choice - you won't regret it and the pain of spending those dollars will soon be a distant memory ...
August 5, 2007 6:24:45 PM

Got my EN8800GTX!!!!!!!!! Woohooo!!!
man... that card is a monster :lol:  big, heavy but powerfull!
It idle at 61C and in games it reach around 72C ... i wonder if it's not to hot? I installed a 12cm fan under my case since i got some holes at the bottom.. got about 2inchs of space between case and floor (have to jack it up) so it can take good air to insert in the case but it doesn't seems to do any much difference. I think i'll try smaller fans and put more than just one.
I had a hard time fitting that baby in my case.. good thing i have a SLI board cause at the top pci express slot, it won't fit because of my HD Block.. miss about half of a inch.. but a the bottom one, it fit. So i won't be able to put 2 of those in SLI with this case but like alot of you said, you don't need 2 8800GTX in SLI, one is enough at least for today's games.

In F.E.A.R at 1280x1024 with everything max out, i got 235fps at 100% :lol:  wow! :ouch:  S.T.A.L.K.E.R at same resolution, got about 90fps and it never look better. Same for Ghost Recon AW1 and 2, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic and the rest... :) 
BTW, i tried the XBOX360 and the PS3 on a 58in DLP TV.. X360 at 1080i (Component) and PS3 at 1080p (HDMI) and i must say... it didn't impress me on the graphic.. PC graphic look alot more better. It's my opinion :) 

Thanks again for all your help, now it's gaming time! :D 

Peace out!
August 5, 2007 7:20:29 PM

Glad you like it - rocks doesn't it?

Oh, and the temps are actually quite good for a GTX so don't worry about it - just whack all those games up to maximum resolution and enjoy :) 
August 5, 2007 7:57:50 PM

djthewizz said:
In F.E.A.R at 1280x1024 with everything max out, i got 235fps at 100%
Do you have antialiasing and soft shadows disabled or something? Are you sure the 235fps wasn't the maximum framerate?
a b U Graphics card
August 5, 2007 9:10:10 PM

As for your question about upgrading your 3800+ to dual core, your choice should depend on 3 things:

1) Do you use this comp for things besides games
2) Do you have any large background apps running
3) Do you play dual core games (I think some of the ones you listed are)

If a few or all are true, upgrade! I went from a 3800+ @ 2.6GHz to an FX-60 @ 2.81GHz and was quite impressed with the CPU, however it probably only helped games a little (most of that was probably from the extra MHz). And plus, you just went and spent $500+ on a GPU, you gotta spend a little more on the CPU so it isn't too intimidated by that awesome card :lol: 
August 5, 2007 10:46:13 PM

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Oh, and the temps are actually quite good for a GTX so don't worry about it

Thanks, glad to hear that :) 

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Do you have antialiasing and soft shadows disabled or something? Are you sure the 235fps wasn't the maximum framerate?

No.. everything was max out.. Vsync was off cause when on, i just got 60hz on my screen at 1280x1024 connected DVI.. so it just giving me 60fps max. But when i did the test, Vsync was off but soft shadow was on, antialiasing was at 4x and anisotropic filtering was at 16x :) 

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As for your question about upgrading your 3800+ to dual core, your choice should depend on 3 things:

1) Do you use this comp for things besides games
2) Do you have any large background apps running
3) Do you play dual core games (I think some of the ones you listed are


1) well.. i'm doing radio show so i record my mix with my pc with PCDJ but that doesnt really demand juice cause i was doing it with a Duron 900Mhz with 512MB of PC133 :lol:  let's say i use my pc for games a 95% the rest is burning cd/dvd's... watching movies with WinDVD, surfing web etc..
2)no.. i limit my process as much as possible.. even disabling anti virus while gaming, disconnecting from the network when playing single player (have 3pcs at home)
3) well i love First Person Shooters and Racing Games like NFS, F-1, Nascar, Rallyes... a bit of RTS, RPG but not online cause im still on dial up and it's not by choice :fou:  My phone company don't want to extend the limit of 4km cause i'm at 1.2km too far on west side and 1.5km too far on east side so its S**K! So when i play multiplayer, it's LAN... and for the futur.. it will be Rainbow Six Vegas, UT 2007, Hellgates London, Timeshift, Neverwinternight2... and all the best racing games they'll be. Just waiting for having $$$ since my last upgrade was serious on my wallet hehe but it worth all penny!!!

So thanks all for your reply.. but now it's back to GAMING :D 
August 5, 2007 11:18:04 PM

you know, if I had that card I would probably see if doing things like forcing 16x aa would start to make a performance difference... *continues cursing foolishness in a corner*
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