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help on choosing Retail or OEM Vista OS!!!

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July 25, 2007 2:16:26 AM

OK you prolly seen me here before posting some odd questions but...im a total noob and my friend is helping me build a comp so what im trying to do is at least know the basics. ok to my questions now...

ok see alot of windows vista os for sale...which one do i get...im building mine comp and one for my nephew(with a friends help but i want to learn how to build one on my own...lol) but i heard i would have to purchase two sets of windows vista os. since microsoft only lets you install into one comp and in order to reuse it again i would have to delete it from the hdd and it would have to be a retail os.??? please help...i just bought a book on how to build a pc.

i see this vista os...sytem builders oem for $111.00 and a retail for $219.00 (both 32bit home premium.) yes i know read the book you say...but i still have alot to read to get there...but this forums help out alot...i get impatient...sorry

im would like any help on to clarify this os thang...thank you!


ps. sorry for any mispelled words and confusing sentence...i typed this really quick.

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July 25, 2007 2:57:17 AM

anybody......lol...helllo
July 25, 2007 3:12:18 AM

They are both the same really, OEM just comes in a little box with no information manual, while the retail one is prettied up and comes with the manual.
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July 25, 2007 3:47:58 AM

OEM doesn't come with a manual or come with any support from MS (Microsoft), but do you really get or need any (Support that is). The license key also supposed to be locked to only one motherboard; which make it harder to upgrade your motherboard at a later time (Not impossible, just harder).
Retail comes with a pamplet (not a manual) and you can call for support (one time only).
Either way, when you change your motherboard, you'll need to call MS and tell them your computer crashed and you had to replace to board
July 25, 2007 4:36:19 AM

To tell you the truth now, OEM version is for system builders such as your self and is not locked to the motherboard or else i wouldn't have activated 2 computers with Vista Ultimate 64 bit. Store bought none oem versions are just upgrades from Win XP.

R COllins
July 25, 2007 5:23:04 AM

Rogue77777 has it right. In addition, when you buy OEM, you get either the 32-bit version or the 64-bit version. If you want to change, you need to buy the other version. Retail comes in 32 bit dvd, but there is only a $10 handling fee to get 64 bit or a cd version. ultimate gives you both dvd's. In any case, one license can be run on only one pc. There is a deal where you can buy the retail ultimate, and get several(5?) additional copies of premium for $50 each. The upgrade versions are cheaper, but you need a running system already to upgrade from. There are also academic versions which you may qualify for. Read the fine print of any offer.
July 25, 2007 6:22:18 AM

cool cool...thnx guys...so a Windows Vista Home premium 32bit OEM it is...since i dont have a system running vista i would need OEM not the upgrade version....any links for a website that has them for a descent price?

once again thank you...i appreciate your help!
July 25, 2007 10:25:16 AM

You need the OPK to install from OEM disc and can only get that direct from MS if you are a registered manufacturer.

The OEM is non-bootable.
July 25, 2007 11:53:02 AM

mi1ez said:
You need the OPK to install from OEM disc and can only get that direct from MS if you are a registered manufacturer.

The OEM is non-bootable.
That's BS, the OPK is OEM pre-installation kit for large scale OEM builders. The OEM disk is bootable.
July 25, 2007 4:54:02 PM

This is what you do...make friends with someone who works at Microsoft.

Vista Ultimate - $45 ;) 
July 25, 2007 5:32:33 PM

hmm now im even more confused....lol
July 25, 2007 5:57:26 PM

OEM = NO support from MS what so ever. Supposed to be used only on 1 PC in its lifetime. This is where things get blurry, muddy, gray or whatever you want to call it. MS CAN NOT stop you from upgrading your PC. They tried tieing the Vista Key to your MB, but MB's can and do go out, especially if your PSU goes out. So they truly can't stop you from upgrading your system and reusing your Key on your new system. Just use the key on 1 system though, even the new hacks I don't trust.

Retail package = limited MS support, can move the OS from 1 pc to another with no questions, as long as the OS is only installed on 1 pc at 1 time. Can upgrade everything with no problems. Costs more for really no benefit.

both dvd's are bootable, and shouldn't require any floppy or addition drivers for Raid/Sata setups as they were required with XP.

OEM = Cheaper because the OEM is supposed to help the end user with any problems..

Retail = Most expensive because you get a limited number of "Free" calls with MS to fix your problems.

Best bet, if you can put a PC together from parts, you can get by with the OEM version of Windows. Just if you change your motherboard out, and your Vista wants to revalidate, and you have to call in, make sure you tell them the MB went out because the PSU blew up and you got the MB you could afford to get the system back up and running. :) 

Thats all I have had to do, and they don't give me any problems. They don't truly know if you are an enthusiast or not.
July 25, 2007 7:42:29 PM

cool cool...thnx scubageek...and thnx to everyone for there help...so yea ...windows vista 32bit oem is what i would get...seems simple enough.


thanks once again.
July 25, 2007 7:48:33 PM

Get 64-bit OS, regardless of which edition you do get. Or you'll end up paying more down the road when you want to get more than 4GB of memory. And before anyone comes down to talk bullshit about compatibility issues, let me tell you that I'm using 64-Bit ultimate and works awesome.
July 25, 2007 7:58:01 PM

None of the above. Don't be fooled into helping M$ beta-test Vista for free. For now, get XP. It works with minimal to no hassles.
July 25, 2007 8:08:13 PM

lol I have Vista business 64-bit and since install I have had 0 problems, absolutely none. It runs like a champ from day one. Maybe I'm a lucky few, but I have have no complaints whatsoever about the OS.

At first, of course some programs did not run, but that was because those companies did not support 64-bit system or had old drivers, which is not MS's fault.
July 25, 2007 8:24:52 PM

Onus said:
None of the above. Don't be fooled into helping M$ beta-test Vista for free. For now, get XP. It works with minimal to no hassles.

Please STFU unless you are going to contribute.

OP, Don't listen to this useless advice; there is no reason not to get Vista for a new build. It will eventually be the most commonly used system. Technically, it is much superior as well. Stability-wise - about equal. Driver support-wise - inferior at this time, but that will change. Much much more futureproof. As many have said, Vista64 makes the most sense, but you have to make sure you have driver support for all your HW. Best done before the fact.
July 25, 2007 9:01:37 PM

My personal stance:

32-bit: Stick with XP unless and until there are apps that benefit more from Vista than XP (like true DX10 games).

64-bit: You might as well go Vista. I've never messed around with 64-bit XP, but if you're going to go with the latest and (supposedly) greatest in one aspect, you might as well go with it in another...
July 25, 2007 9:15:16 PM

killerb255 said:
My personal stance:

32-bit: Stick with XP unless and until there are apps that benefit more from Vista than XP (like true DX10 games).

64-bit: You might as well go Vista. I've never messed around with 64-bit XP, but if you're going to go with the latest and (supposedly) greatest in one aspect, you might as well go with it in another...


I was under the same train until 2 days ago, I'm asking you to try Vista 64 with the Forceware Beta 162.22, you might change your mind. :) 
July 26, 2007 12:58:59 AM

Bite the bullet and get Retail - you can change it over from system to system - Ultimate has 32/64 bit install options - I did the 64bit and it runs like a champ.

I'm seeing much more support for the drivers of software also kicking in so 64 bit will be the way to go to get all that RAM.
July 26, 2007 2:07:09 AM

killerb255 said:
My personal stance:

32-bit: Stick with XP unless and until there are apps that benefit more from Vista than XP (like true DX10 games).

64-bit: You might as well go Vista. I've never messed around with 64-bit XP, but if you're going to go with the latest and (supposedly) greatest in one aspect, you might as well go with it in another...


I respectfuly disagree for this reason: eventually Vista will be the defacto system (and with Dx10 maybe sooner than later for gamers, although it doesn't seem that the current hardware and actually software can give you all of the benefits). It certainly does some things better than XP, and it is not a very good path as an upgrade over an existing XP install. Granted, it is not perfectly compatible with legacy HW and SW, but with some research you can figure out the compatibility issues up front and see if you're affected (most likely not).
July 26, 2007 2:49:12 AM

russki said:
I respectfuly disagree for this reason: eventually Vista will be the defacto system (and with Dx10 maybe sooner than later for gamers, although it doesn't seem that the current hardware and actually software can give you all of the benefits). It certainly does some things better than XP, and it is not a very good path as an upgrade over an existing XP install. Granted, it is not perfectly compatible with legacy HW and SW, but with some research you can figure out the compatibility issues up front and see if you're affected (most likely not).
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VARs And System Builders Removing Vista At Record Pace ~ The Blade by Ron Schenone, MVP
http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/07/09/vars-... removing-vista-at-record-pace/

If you want more links just ask.
July 26, 2007 3:56:59 AM

The business world is very different than the hobbyist world. It is most difficult to manage hundreds, or even thousands of PC's with different operating systems. A system wide conversion is not done without a lot of planning, and a demonstrated need. It is not surprising to me that business are not changing to vista overnight, and even removing it from new machines. There is simply, no compelling need in general. An enthusiast or hobbyist has only one or a few pc's to manage, and the consequences of a problem are not dire. They can easily manage Vista.
Vista, itself is quite sound, at least in my experience. Most of the problems come from conversions, or software that depended on the internals of the operating system. Shame on the programmers. They got an immediate benefit at the price of a longer term problem. I see no reason why a new build that is going to run games or normal home software should not use vista.

July 26, 2007 4:20:07 AM

If you can find it, Get the XP version with free upgrade to Vista. That is what I did - Don't know if any etailers are still offering this. I got XP pro with free upgrade to Vista Business. Took about a month to get the OEM upgrade vista disk. Had already installed the XP - disconnected the XP HD and installed Vista onto a 2nd HD. Now I can select which OP sys to boot to in bios.

Note: OEM upgrade disk was bootable, and to get around having a preinstalled OP Sys, you just have to install Vista twice. The first time, without inputing the Key - Second install you provide the Key.

From my standpoint - I'm sticking with XP, (1) I like writing my own programs (ie stock performance). (2) I'm Pi--- at ATI/usoft. I have only owned ATI AIW cards since my 486 - currently have 4 computers at home, all with ATI AIW cards. And yes, Major venders have backed off on vista only.
July 26, 2007 4:22:45 AM

geofelt, use it then. I will use XP until MS gets their sh!t together. Vista has nothing that I need or want so why should I put up with any grief at all. Not to mention the whole DRM issue, which is probably why they are having so many problems to begin with.
July 26, 2007 2:06:14 PM

Zorg said:
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VARs And System Builders Removing Vista At Record Pace ~ The Blade by Ron Schenone, MVP
http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/07/09/vars-... removing-vista-at-record-pace/

If you want more links just ask.


Zorg, Zorg, Zorg. I know you like the "DRM is crap" line and "M$ beta tests their software on people before SP1." In reality, it is all a pile of BS. I'm no fan of DRM (I actually hate the fact that it exists), but I am pragmatic enough to see why MS included it in Vista. As far as the "beta testing" nonsense - that's quite garbage. It's actually relatively stable for a major kernel rewrite, with good support. Almost all of the stability issues are related to one of two things:
1) Bad drivers - this is not MS' fault, but, indeed, the HW manufacturer’s (e.g. Creative. I know they cry that MS changed the device driver model, but the truth is that noone should have been allowed the low level access that Creative was accustomed to; it should be reserved to the OS, period. That's how it is in your beloved Linux. And Creative EAX crap is anything but stable in XP, too, so spare me)
2) Bad software. Not in a sense that it doesn't work, but it relied on many of the improper programming techniques, some of which relied on certain low level OS features. That is bad programming. It may have been done for the right reasons (e.g. te desire to speed the execution), but ultimately sacrifices portability. Or maybe just laziness (I have personally seen examples of the latter in the VBA environment which creates Office '03->07 migration. Shame, 07 is a much superior piece of software).

None of it is MS' fault. And yes, in the corporate segment there is a good argument that you shouldn't upgrade until everything has been thoroughly tested. Which is always the case. Heck, corps ran 98 SE for a long time after XP was available, even though XP was a clearly superior OS. And Vista is too, and the software will be rewritten, and business segment will migrate in due time. In the meantime, for a typical user, Vista is not any less stable (aside from certain driver issues, but it's good to see that NV slowly but surely getting their act together).

Bottom line, there will be no further service packs for XP, Vista support will be much superior, and unless there is a specific SW that you know is incompatible - highly unlikely for most of the audience on these forums - there is no reason to go XP.

(PS. Ok, ok, if you want to throw in the 2Gb memory issue Anand pointed out which stems from the new WDDM - that's a bit of a cost, but the 64 bit environment makes it more tolerable. And ultimately it's sloppy programming, yet again)
July 26, 2007 5:50:24 PM

Enjoy your Vista, I'll wait until at least SP1. I heard MS was coming out with a new OS before too long, it's probably rumor but I'm certainly in no rush.
July 26, 2007 6:39:31 PM

The new release is planned right now for four years out, and given Vista's history, who knows...
July 26, 2007 9:31:07 PM

I didn't get XP until like 2 years into it, too buggy at start. Can't say vista isn't the same as most other pieces of crap ms releases.