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July 26, 2007 9:15:00 PM

My first post on this forum =)

I'm putting together a new system and need help choosing parts.
This is what I've found so far, and I'm unsure about a few components.

This is my preliminary build:


Case: Antec P182 http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81820

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6850

Graphics: NX8800GTS-T2D640E-HD-OC http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1153&maincat_no=130&cat2_no=136

Motherboard: Gigabyte P35-DS4 http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2531&ModelName=GA-P35-DS4

RAM: Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D Dominator 4x1024MB http://www.corsairmemory.com/_datasheets/TWIN2X2048-8500C5D.pdf

PSU: Antec Neo HE 550 http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=28550

Storage: Either 2x250gb or 1x500gb Sata harddrive

CD/DVD: A dvd-burner, no model descided

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12F or Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme with a fan like the extra fan below

Extra fan: Noctua NF-S12-800



I want my computer to be as quiet as possible. If I turn the case fans down to low, get the CPU coolers i picked and the P182 chassi I think the only annoying component should be the graphics card?

I was first thinking of getting a Q6600 CPU, but the E6850 performs better?

Is the RAM good or should I choose another model?

I didn't choose the motherboard for any specific reason, are there any cheaper good alternatives?

Is the videocard good? I'm usuallu using 2 monitors.

Need comments on this system.

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July 28, 2007 11:11:44 AM

That's a pretty good build, which is probably why no one has bothered replying thusfar. :p 

To answer your questions:

You shouldn't have a noise problem.

The Q6600 will beat the E6850 for certain applications that can take advantage of 4 cores, but I think that the E6850 is slightly better for pure gaming purposes. However as more games start to take advantage of multiple cores, that advantage is likely to vanish. Personally I would opt for the Q6600.

That RAM is good but overpriced to be honest. I would recommend the 2GB Crucial Ballistix DDR800 kit, which is available for $80 after rebate at Newegg.

You could save a little bit of money on the motherboard by getting the Gigabyte GA_P35_DS3R. The DS4 just has better heatpipe cooling I think, which you can probably live without. Good call on the P35 chipset though.

That's a very good video card and unless you can afford an 8800GTX, it's the best you can get.

As for the PSU, I don't *think* the Neo series are the 'good' Antec ones that are made for them by Seasonic. The Corsair 520HX on the other hand is made for them by Seasonic, and as such is of indisputable quality. You can pick it up for $80 at buy.com, which is an absolute bargain. They also sell the 620W for $130 if you want a bit more juice.
July 28, 2007 11:22:48 AM

get the e6550. that will do all you need until next year around this time. besides, with the build you got you can oc it to an q6600 or an e6850

everything else looks good.

stick with that gpu. next year it will go down like half lol.
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July 28, 2007 12:44:48 PM

The 8800 GTS is not overly loud as it is, but if you want to silence it you can - get an HR-03 heatsink and buy a quiet 92mm fan to go with it.

July 28, 2007 3:53:39 PM

Yes, was thinking of getting a HR-03 heatsink.
Read that it was about as good as the original cooler if you ran it without a fan, and placed in the position above the videocard.

So then I need to find a CPU cooler that leaves space between it and the GPU.

Was thinking of a "Noctua NH-U12F 120mm Quadra-heatpipe 5000 cm2 WITH NOCTUAFAN 8 dB(A) Socket 775" cooler and that one looks like this when mouted on the DS4 motherboard.

http://home.online.no/~the-pa/noctua1.jpg

So I guess the motherboard cooler on the DS4 won't work with the HR-03.
July 28, 2007 9:51:05 PM

By far the best CPU cooler is also by Thermalright - the Ultra 120 extreme. It's pricey though and you'll have to buy a fan as well.
July 28, 2007 10:56:13 PM

Yeah. A thermalrght 120 extreme with a noctua fan is 25% more expensive than the noctua cooler (that I think will be enough)

This is what I'm thinking of atm.

Turn the fans down to low in the P182 case
Get 1 extra noctua 8dB fan for the case
Get the Noctua CPU cooler
Get the HR-03 GPU cooler and mount it below the videocard with another 8bD noctua fan.
July 28, 2007 11:14:02 PM

Unless your running a 64-bit OS dont get 4GB of ram. Your 32-bit Vista or XP will only see and use 2GB of it so going 4GB is a waste of money.
July 28, 2007 11:56:19 PM

That is a good build, as it is. Don't worry about the 8800GTS, the stock cooler is very good, and quiet. Try it first, I doubt that you would want to try an aftermarket cooler, and I doubt if they are any better. It exhausts most of the hot air out the back, keeping the insides cooler, allowing you to run the fans on low. The supplied Antec fans are quiet on low speed. There are 4 slots in the 8800GTS which do let hot air back into the case. I bought a cheap slot cooler like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... to mount under the vga card. There is a knob which lets you adjust the fan speed so that it is very quiet. It does the job, reducing the VGA and CPU temperatures by 5c. For $8, give it a try.
Look at the Corsair 520HX power supply. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . It was the highest rated quiet power supply by www.silentpcreview.com . Seasonic 550 energy+ is also quiet. This is a good site for info on quiet computing.
I like the E6850 choice unless you know you can make use of a quad.
The memory might be overkill. The C2D processors do very well on lower speed memory like 800, or even 667. It will only make a difference of a few % unless you are overclocking. Also, the high heat spreaders on the dominator modules might interfere with some heat sinks, best to check that out. Go ahead and get the 4gb, you will only see about 3.4gb, but that is a lot more than 2 for not much extra. There is no downside to extra memory; too little is miserable. If it does not cost much more, get a 4gb kit with 2 2gb sticks. That leaves you free to add more if you should ever go 64-bit.
I like the P35 chipset, and gigabyte is a good brand.
My 8800GTS-640 runs two 24" monitor without problems, you are ok there.
---good luck---
July 29, 2007 12:03:03 AM

I agree w/ fox the q6600 is much better, and the ram is overpriced. consider getting this case http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10005323&prodlist=pricegrabber, and a $50 video card power supply. they are much more efficient -- many power supplies consume excessive amounts of power due to poor design, not necessarily system draw. the antec sonata 3's earthwatts 500w is 80 plus certified (>= 80% efficient), and a thermaltake video card power supply (250w) is apparently ~75% efficient. I have heard globalwin ceramic bearing fans are quiet and good, if you need more for the case. if you get that, and 2gb of ram, you might be able to afford a gtx.

remember the noise of your computer is relative to the noise of the environment; if you're somewhere very quiet, you might need water cooling. also, if you want to quiet some fans, you can add a resistor in parallel (usually with resistance ~1/3 the resistance of the fan). I put some better thermal paste on my cpu and added a resistor to the fan and it's quieter and still cooler. a lapping kit also might help.
July 29, 2007 12:26:29 AM

I'm probably going to get murdered for saying this... but I have two nearly equivilent builds performance-wise, one is an overclocked E6600, and the other is an Athlon X2 5600 not overclocked. Benchmarks aside, I find the core 2 duo superior in gaming, but inferior in multitasking. This is my unbiased experience. So if you are a gamer, I say go for the core2. But if you use it strictly as a workstation, I would suggest the alternative.
July 29, 2007 12:44:57 AM

x2 is a fine chip, and has better, more reliable and cost effective motherboards supporting it. I take it he is going to overclock if he is looking at the thermalright ultra 120 extreme, so the core 2 is better for that.
July 29, 2007 8:15:47 AM

Not thinking of overclocking it much at all, just want a good cooler that can run with a quiet fan.

I already have the PSU. A 550W high efficiensy (85%) and It's hard for me to hear that it's running.

I also have a vga slot cooler somewhere that I can use.

Are many new games/applications going to support 4 cores?
July 29, 2007 9:13:18 AM

The web authority on quiet system building is silentpcreview.com. The forum members at SPCR are fanatics when it comes to quiet systems.

Some state of the art quiet components include Nexus 92mm and 120mm fans, the Corsair HX520 PSU (made by Seasonic), and the Samsung HD501LJ 500GB hard drive.

I have a silent system with 2 Nexus fans undervolted to 5 watts. Two Samsung HD501LJ hard drives are suspended in an Antec Solo case and the HDs are inaudible.
July 29, 2007 6:17:11 PM

Thank you for the tip.

I'll make a thread there and maybe come back with a more updated setup later.
August 2, 2007 2:04:02 PM

Ok, this is what I think I'm going to order after asking at silentpcreview.com

P182 case
Intel Core2Duo E6850
Noctua 120mm CPU cooler
8800GTS 640mb video card
Gigabyte P35-DS4 motherboard
Samsung Spinpoint T166 500gb harddrive
4x1024mb 6400 corsair twinx (or mushkin) ram
Some DVD-burner
And some rubber parts to secure the fans without noise

I have a set budget that I'm going to use on for the cumputer, and with these parts i have ~300$ left. Anything that should be upgraded?
August 2, 2007 2:17:20 PM

What monitor/s do you plan on using, and what keyboard/mouse? These are the future-proof things that you will see and touch every day. Extra money spent there is well spent.
August 2, 2007 2:48:27 PM

Looks good (e6850 is good , but u MIGHT consider Q6600 too , it depends on ur needs )

I say get a 8800GTX if u can

also ur mobo looks good , but if u want both ddr2 and ddr3 support , u might consider ASUS P5KC or P35C DS3R
August 2, 2007 3:00:42 PM

Some ideas for your extra $300: GTX card, then maybe a better monitor or a Lian-Li PC-V2000 case.

Good DVD drives with little noise: LG recent models, Asus DRW-1814BLT.
August 2, 2007 3:25:31 PM

Is 550W enough for a 8800?
August 2, 2007 3:35:34 PM

Yes, if it's got the amperage. However, it's too close to the limit and it would work at 70% or 75% efficiency instead of 85% when under serious load. This means more heat, plus higher electricity bills. Good point...

Edit: check this out, it's pretty useful.
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Here's a sample PSU efficiency curve (I bought that PSU, but the curve is similar for all PSUs anyway AFAIK):
http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3040&p=11
August 2, 2007 3:56:30 PM

Yeah, with 400$ left I have already counted in a good (expensive) keyboard, and my monitor is ~1 year old and extremely good (work with design/layout)

Is the GTX really worth the money?
August 2, 2007 4:30:17 PM

At 1680x1050 (or 1600x1200) it's debatable, it's visibly better than the GTS 640 MB in some games but not in all. That is, where the GTS already gives you 40 or 60 fps or more there's no need for a GTX, I think .
At higher resolutions it's absolutely worth it.

Play with these URLs to get a better idea:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=706&model2=707&chart=278
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=706&model2=707&chart=298

Personally I got the GTX, even for 1680x1050. I will get a 1920x1200 monitor though, when I can.
August 2, 2007 6:41:01 PM

another vote for GTX
August 2, 2007 7:15:18 PM

I don't run above 1280x1024 (my flat gaming monitor, and my 17" crt next to it) but I always run multiple mopnitors. GTX might help there?
August 2, 2007 7:54:13 PM

Oops! You said "extremely good monitor" but it's only 1280x1024. OK, I'm changing my vote to the 8800 GTS 320 MB. I'm allowed to do that, right? I thought you were talking about 1920x1200 or 2560x1600, where the GTS would be in trouble.

Another poster (Heyyou27) told me yesterday he had an 8800 GTX for gaming and an 8600 GT for watching TV, each card with its own monitor. If you want a scenario like that (with GTS instead of GTX) you'll need a mobo with two PCI-E 16x slots, like the GA-P35-DQ6 for example. He said the GTX had some artifacts when used alone for both monitors, that's why he had to add the 8600 GT.
August 2, 2007 8:19:55 PM

Well, we have 22" CRTs too, but they are not going to be used for gaming.
My 19" tft is good, no need to buy a new one.

Feels like overkill to use 1GTX and 1 GTS =/

Well, I'm always using multiple monitors, and the 320mb extra video memory helps there right?

edit: Thinking of a 8800gts 640mb OC
August 2, 2007 9:01:41 PM

Yeah, the 8800 GTS 640MB is plenty at that resolution.

Funny, I found a benchmark where the 320MB does better than the 640MB...
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=707&model2=778&chart=296

and one where the GTX is between the GTS 640 and the GTS 320...
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=707&model2=778&chart=282

TBH I don't know if the extra video memory helps with multiple monitors. I would guess that it does, if the drivers are smart enough.


Edit: I'm guessing that the second chart can be explained by a CPU bottleneck or a limit in the game, since no card did better than 48 fps there.
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