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July 28, 2007 7:47:55 PM

Hi all. I'm new to the forums, to building computers, and I'm looking for your advice. My current computer of 6 years is about to go kaput (I'm not entirely sure how it made it this long anyway); I'm looking at this as my next rig. It would be much appreciated if you critiqued it, offered alternate solutions, cheaper parts, etc.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=6605228&WishListTitle=Intel+Core+2+Duo+%2D+%243%2C250%2E72

Made the changes and bought it all. I think you're wrong about the DQ6 only accepting one PCIx, because in http://www.techreport.com/etc/2007q3/system-guide-0707/index.x?pg=8 they used two, and it worked, so i dunno what you're thinking of.

EDIT: and since somebody else said it was a very bad idea, I'll see if I can cancel my order :(  and get a new board.

Thanks in advance,
Daemas

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July 28, 2007 8:53:45 PM

First of all, I don't see a power supply in that list, and you're going to need a REALLY good PSU (PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W) to take care of dual HD2900XT (since I believe they consume a fair share more than dual GTX). Second, you can't use crossfire properly on a SLI board (if you manage to get it working at all that is).

Note: I'm against even using HD2900XT, let alone them in crossfire, but I see that you're getting vista and you really have no other choice, since SLI doesn't work properly, so I won't really go into detail there.

I saw a bunch of HDDs there (internal and external), unless you really need them, I'd say lose them and go for a 500GB-750GB Seagate Barracuda HDD (Raid arrays are not really worth bothering over unless you REALLY need them, but for a normal gamer/user the performance gained is negligible at best)

About the video cards, to be honest that 1GB version is about as good as an ultra vs a GTX (By this I mean that you can just OC your way to those levels), so far I haven't seen the need of more than 512MB ram especially not on a 1680x1050 resolution. Get the following

(2) SAPPHIRE 100201SR Radeon HD 2900XT 512MB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP VIVO Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Second, do you REALLY need to order the printer online? That's the kind of thing that will put a dent on your wallet because of shipping. You'd be better off going to a local store and getting a cheaper printer to be honest. (Printers aren't really the place to spend more than $50-60 anymore in my opinion)

I'd get this mouse instead (but this really is personal preference)

Logitech G7 Black 6 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB RF Wireless Laser Mouse - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

About that Stompsoft thing... to be honest you don't need that. In my opinion that's for people that are either extremely busy or lazy to make a clean installation of windows, and if you're buying the Retail version you won't have any problem (Vista will install in like 20 minutes max on your setup). Talking about Vista... lose ultimate and get this:

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium DVD - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also lose the Zalman 9500, it's a good cooler and all, but for $10 more you can do a WHOLE lot better:

Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... q%2bTower%2b120

And I honestly don't think that you'll need the floppy/card reader thing (Unless you do)

Oh I almost forgot about the motherboard, these two would support a crossfire configuration

MSI 975X Platinum V.2 LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ABIT AW9D LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I won't even go in the sound department to cut on expenses simply because I don't believe in sound cards anymore, however if you chose your sound card and speakers, I suppose you really care enough about sound to make that "investment".

That's all.

Note: Here's the link for the PSU:

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W Continuous @ 40°C (825W Peak) Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, ULC, CE, CB, RoHS - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 28, 2007 10:33:23 PM

your list has so many duplicate items it's difficult to critique. look around some more and narrow your list; techreport has some lists of custom computer builds that are usually pretty good (http://www.techreport.com/etc/2007q3/system-guide-0707/index.x?pg=1). You can try saving yourself some money by looking at the Thermaltake video card power supply. Remember to get a power supply with ~30A 12v rails (independent if possible) if you want the 2900xt; the video card power supply might be a much cheaper alternative.
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July 28, 2007 11:39:11 PM

I notice that you have selected a GA-P35-DQ6 motherboard (which accepts only one video card) and two HD video cards. That really won't work. You'd need a Crossfire mobo, such as P5W-DH for example. Even better, get a BFG 8800 GTX OC2 or eVGA 8800 GTX ACS3 instead of the two HD cards, and a GA-P35C-DS3R mobo. The GA-P35-DQ6 is nice, but it's got a cooling mechanism that can get in the way of the CPU cooler. It also costs a lot.

Also, we're talking about a PC with extremely advanced graphics and only a E6600? I'd get a Q6600.

I like that advice about the PC Power & Cooling Silencer :D  Just got one myself.
http://anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3040

July 28, 2007 11:47:20 PM

From top to bottom of your wishlist.

Case - Centurion 5, never used or even seen one but people seem to love it. Good choice.

Fans - Thermaltake is fine but you might want to consider Scythe, just a very good brand.

Cable tie.. way to go with ?GENERIC? :) 

Gigabyte GA-P35-DQ6 - Very bad choise, they are actually talking of discontinuing the whole lot of them as to many people seem to have problems with those. Go for GA-P35C-DS3R or get the alternative from ASUS/Abit or MSI if you don't overclock.

RAM = Solid. Otherwise consider Tracers from the same brand.

Video cards.. 2 X HD2900XT's.. really? 60 DBa volume level, heat, power reqs.. weard choise no matter what way I look at it. Unless you are planning to go Agua on the couple, get a single GTX, quite, less noice/heat than a single HD2900XT. Consumes less power than a single 2900 as well BTW.

Power supply - is an overskill if you hit GTX, but for Radeons it is just about the right choise.

CPU - Q6600 Just to be safe if they DO manage to optimise all upcoming titles for Quads. Save $ with GTX and get a Quad.

Keyboard/Mouse - G15 with MX518 (my preference)

Monitor is sweet :0

Paste - Arctic Silver 5

Rest is fine.. Hope this helps you a bit. Good luck with your Build.
July 29, 2007 12:43:00 AM

Most people didn't mention but if you plan to play DX10 games I'd recommend waiting for g92 and r700....g92 will be out this year but not sure about the r700..

The current cards out will not be able to handle dx10 games. There are not many REAL dx10 games out there. There are a few patch jobs on already released games to bring them up to DX10 standards but they are not fully made for DX10. I'm planning on getting a completely new rig myself..but I've decided my 3.2 prescott and x700pro will have to last me till years end..to nab a x38/penryn (maybe barcelona depending on oc'ing and performance), g92, and an x38 board.
July 29, 2007 1:24:31 AM

Hi ,

I would get a UPS (back up power supply) instead of the BELKIN BE112234-10 10 feet 12 Outlets 4120 joule Surge Suppressor with Phone/Modem, RJ45 and Coax Protection. The UPS give better protection and also give you time when power fail to shutdown computer, while saving any work you were doing. Below is Link for UPS at NewEgg.

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=72&name=UPS

Take a look at this Sound Card below, instead of going with the Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series.

bluegears b-Enspirer 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail $94.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829127002

BGears also have updated drives for Vista at link below. I find it superioe to Creative X-FI Xtreme sound card I use to have, plus no bloatware using system resources in background.
http://www.bgears.com/b-Enspirer.html

Hope this helps.
July 29, 2007 1:27:14 AM

I thought the same way, but I gave up last week when I realized that the only Penryn to be released this year will cost $999. If you want a more reasonable version it's more than a 5-month wait, probably 8 months. Same for the G92, only the high-end card will be available this year (no clue about the price, but I'm guessing not $50), and the rest later. Plus, I saw a Crysis trailer and decided I didn't like it that much :cry: 

Daemas: if you have $3500, and your current computer can last you another 5 months, and you really want a ton of cpu/gpu power, then definitely wait until December. If you don't wait, at least get something based on P35 so you can upgrade the CPU later.
July 29, 2007 1:37:56 AM

Thanks for all the advice everybody, but I am confused on what motherboard to get. I cancelled my order (convieniently the processor and mobo were on the same order).

But I checked out the GA-P35C-DS3R aevm recommended. I saw something.


PCI Express x16 1
PCI Express x1 3
PCI Slots 3

So how does this board support Crossfire if it only has 1 16x? :??:  :??:  :??: 

The board that I had before, the DQ6:

PCI Express x16 2
PCI Express x1 3
PCI Slots 2

And aevm said I couldn't Crossfire it....

Ummm... I'm very confused.... :??:  :??:  :??: 

Also, the DQ6 board that everybody hates... It worked for Tech Report, and had a good review rating on newegg. So.... :??: 

Sooooo...

If somebody could please Link me to a Motherboard that works for my rig (getting the Quad Core BTW)

Thanks in advance,
Daemas


EDIT: Which Water Cooling Unit would you recommend??? Obviously it needs to fit LGA 775. I found http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103017 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835124007 Are either of these okay for me to use???


EDIT2: Looking to buy this Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127030, just waiting on somebody to tell me if it's a good one or not
July 29, 2007 2:58:20 AM

Yeah, it's all confusing, I know... The DQ6 does support Crossfire, just not properly. Only one of the cards works at 16x, the other one works at 4x only. That's a limitation of the P35 chipset. The ABIT mobo in your Edit2 has the same problem.

Here are some options you can look at:

1. get the GA-P35-DQ6 or the ABIT IP35 Pro with two HD cards
One of the cards will not work at its full capacity, but you still get good results.

2. get a P965 motherboard with Crossfire support and two HD cards
With this idea, you can't upgrade the CPU later.

3. wait a month or two and get a GA-X38-DQ6 and two HD cards.
This might be the smartest thing to do...

4. wait a month or two and get a GA-X38-DQ6 and two 8800 GTX cards.
Not sure yet if X38 will really support SLI. If it does, this is the most powerful combination.

5. get the GA-P35C-DS3R or some other P35-based mobo, with a single 8800 GTX
This is cheaper and already available. It will work on Vista.

6. get a P5N32-E SLI or something similar from eVGA or BFG, with two 8800 GTX cards. This is great for XP, not so good right now for Vista.

Good luck :D  :D 
July 29, 2007 3:31:34 AM

Anything with different video cards is out of the question because I already ordered and am too lazy to void and do all that crap again. Also, waiting doesn't work for me, as the computer I'm using to type this is on is 6 years old. It fades in and out of consiousness. It's on it's deathbed and I want to pull the plug on it (I'm seriously going to bury it in my back yard :sol: ).

Are there any Motherboards that are full support Crossfire? By that I mean 2 PCIe slots at 16x, not 16x/4xblack??

If not, I'm trying to decide between the GA-P35-DQ6 and the ABIT IP35 Pro. As far as I understand it, both are 1x 16x/1x 4xblack, correct? I'm curious as to why you recommended the GA-P35-DQ6, as it is said to be a bad motherboard. Can you tell me anything about that? And for that matter, can anybody tell me anything about the ABIT IP35 Pro?

I checked out your ASUS P5W DH, but I think it's the same as the others (1x 16x/1x 4xblack), so why do you say that that is a Crossfire motherboard??

Sorry, still confused :kaola:  :kaola:  and i want to get this right before I order again.

Thanks in advance,
Daemas


EDIT: Would I be able to just buy the GA-X38-DQ6 when it comes out and put everything on that? The only tricky thing that I forsee is the artic silver compound, but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100010. Would this be feasable because I already have the Q6600??

EDIT2: The http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817703009 is a pretty big Power Supply (18cm/7"). Do you think it will fit in my case 9http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811129154? If not, can it just hang off the edge? If not, any boxes you can recommend me?
July 29, 2007 4:18:45 AM

P5W-DH Deluxe runs both cards at 8x. That's better than one at 16x and one at 4x IMO, but I may be wrong. Can somebody please shed some light on this?

Another very nice board with 8x+8x is reviewed here:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2891&p=2

As far as I know, the only chipset running Crossfire at 16x+16x is 580x (in socket 939 AMD boards). That's really not an option, with 939 being discontinued and no serious CPUs for it.

The ABIT is cheaper than the DQ6. The DQ6 has a very fancy cooling scheme, which probably accounts for a lot of the cost difference. Both are excellent boards as far as I know. I haven't read any articles yet saying that DQ6 is bad. I did hear however lots of people saying it's overpriced. It also makes little sense, priced like an enthusiast product but based on a mainstream chipset. I guess that's why they'll stop making it when X38 is out. That probably means fewer BIOS updates, another reason to avoid it.

July 29, 2007 4:26:22 AM

EDIT: nvm

EDIT2: nvm

Going to go with the ASUS-P5W Deluxe unless somebody chimes in about the PCIe situation before morning
July 29, 2007 8:12:58 AM

Daemas said:
EDIT: nvm

EDIT2: nvm

Going to go with the ASUS-P5W Deluxe unless somebody chimes in about the PCIe situation before morning


Solid. just consider a single GTX + Q6600 instead of CF.

Video 2 X HD2900XT's = 60 DBa volume level, heat, power reqs.. all bad. preformance ain't so great either.
July 29, 2007 2:11:34 PM

Thanks for the input. I'm not really concerned with the noise level, as I'll be unable to hear it most of the time due to games and music and my 36" TV I have plastered on the wall to my immediate left.

But I still do have concerns and both the power and heat situations. With the power...I got a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703009. ANANDTECH did a review and said it could handle the 2 cards + all of my other crap (200-230ish per card, so that's about 300 for the Q6600, 4 gigs of ram, Sound card and HDD).

The other concern I still had was about heat. I got the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129154. It comes with 3x 120mm fans, plus I'm adding another one. (I can always leave the case side off/open, like a hillbilly :D ). THG Video review of the 2900XT (HIS model, but same cooling system) said it had sufficient cooling So that looks to be fine.

I won't be OCing for your reference. I may after I get some time with this rig under my belt, at least not till December or something. So I'm not going to worry about the extra heat by OCing.

Performance Isn't a big concern for me, in the fact that the 2900XT still beats out the 8800GTS that most people are telling me to get instead, and only ~400 behind the GTX (2900XT is ~500 in front of the GTS)http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=857&model2=778&chart=315PLus, I have a better track record with ATi and was more inclined to go that route anyway. But thanks for you input on the VGA situation.

Thanks in advance,
Daemas

EDIT: One thing that I just thought of... Q6600 cooling??? Will what I already ordered(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835154001 keep it cool? If not, can you recommend one for me?
July 29, 2007 5:58:00 PM

Daemas said:

EDIT: One thing that I just thought of... Q6600 cooling??? Will what I already ordered(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835154001 keep it cool? If not, can you recommend one for me?


Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler will freeze it (not unless you live in Alaska but still an awesome choise)

That PSU will handle 2 X HD2900XT flawlessly. To bad I couldn't convince you to drop the CF and go with a single GTX, but it's your cash ;) 

"(I can always leave the case side off/open, like a hillbilly :D ). "

I don't think you realise what 60 Db really mean...
Watch the Video on this site please.. http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/432/7/ It's like a freaking powerplant :)  That noice is not funny when you play a game and need to focus.
July 29, 2007 6:06:43 PM

True, 60 dB is not pretty, but that can be fixed later if it really bothers him. Just replace the Centurion with a Lian-Li (PC-73, PC-V2000, etc.) or some other case with insulating foam in the panels. OK, it will cost $300 or so, but it should fix the noise problem and improve cooling too.
July 29, 2007 6:13:09 PM

Wow, what a beast... Although, like I said, I'm not too concerned about it.

aevm, I already changed the Centurion to an Antec 180, so the new case is out of the question for right now. But I will keep that case in mind

Thanks for all of your help guys!,
Daemas
July 29, 2007 7:19:30 PM

Glad to help. The Antec 180 is very quiet too, excellent choice.
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