k2gremlin

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Hey everyone,

I build a system last November with 2x74Gig Serial ATA150 Raptors in raid-0.

My question is fairly simple. I have not kept up on the technology advances with HDD's and so forth and now im seeing all this talk about Sata2gig and Sata3gig..

Is there any dramatic increases in performance vs what I currently have? Im going to be build another system here in the next 2 months or so.. Budget is not an issue.. Should I be looking at these newer HDD's or will my Raptors still fit the bill when it comes to gameing and 3d rendering.??
 

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the only thing that has really left raptors behind in the consumer storage area, is capacity, though 7200s are getting pretty close to raptors in desktop performance due to the much larger platters as a result of PMR (theyre currently at 334GB platters which are soon to be released, compared to the current raptors 74GB platters), $/GB for 7200s is also pretty low now too as a result, compared to raptors. so you may be able to make use of a much larger hdd, but for strictly performance reasons, there still isnt anything out yet that has surpassed raptors from an overall performance viewpoint, except for even faster raptors... this assuming you have the 74GB GD revisions. but if you have the 74GB ADFD raptors, youre still good.

the main differences between them are going to be their platter densities, which allow for higher STRs (sequential transfer rates) and slightly more responsive seek times as a result (denser platters allow more data to be able to be accessed faster in less time in a given area, even if the access and seek times themselves dont actually improve that rpms would be responsible for), increased cache sizes, and a native sata interface allowing ncq, which is good for servers (the older 74gb raptor had a pata to sata bridge, and support for tcq, tcq wasnt quite as widespread though). theres also raff, and tler, which are good for compensating for errors in raid arrays and such.

however...

if budget really isnt an issue, you may be able to go for some 15k sas (serial attached storage) hdds (you need an sas compatible sata controller though, sas controllers are compatible with both sata and sas hdds)... a cheaper alternative is to pick up some 15k scsi hdds terminated cable and u160 scsi controller off of ebay for cheaper, the older 15k scsis arent quite as tuned to single user environments and performance though (even though scsis arent really tuned for single users anyhow), so 10k raptors are sometimes faster for single users in that case, or at least pretty close.

another option for no budget, is to go for an ssd (solid state disk) hdd. $/GB is horrible, but for gaming there isnt a better option for performance (even without using raid 0, as access/seek times will make the single largest difference above and beyond all else for gaming performance the vast majority of times, access/seek times are practically nonexistant for ssds). for rendering though im not sure, if it requires high transfer rates anyhow... but if rendering does, a raptor or 15k scsi/sas may be your best bet then, as ssds currently offer lower STRs than mechanical hdds do.

though you could always do raid 0 ssd hdds, for the added STRs for rendering if needed, added capacity, and nonexistant access/seek times for games...

another solid state option for minimal access/seek times is something like gigabytes iRAM, which uses up to 4GB of ddr1 ram as storage (not included)... overall its less expensive than an ssd, has much higher transfer rates (due to using ddr1 ram as storage), but its capacity is also noticably less (the iRAM is ideal for hosting an OS if nothing else though, simply due to its limited capacity, though again theres always raid 0 to get around that...).

regarding raid 0 and ssds, data loss (as a result of an unbootable array) simply isnt a concern due to mechanical hdd failures, as there arent any moving parts in them unlike normal hdds (which have a typical failure rate of 1 every other year or so on average, making backups of all your needed data essential), so, thats something to consider, as is the warranty length too.
 

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the main difference between sata150 (sata1) and sata300 (sata2) is the available bandwidth a particular interface will allow (150MB/s for sata150 and 300MB/s for sata300). the actual hdd performance however isnt impacted by that, as no mechanical hdd has yet to even saturate sata150. the primary reason sata300 was introduced however was for futureproofing purposes, for when hdds would eventually reach the point when they would actually be able to make use of it. it was also introduced as a marketing tactic 'it says "supports sataII, so it must be faster" ', but that wont actually be true of sata300, until single hdds are capable of any faster than 150MB/s STRs. current sata and pata hdds are still below 100MB/s STR, making even the much older pata100 still more than fast enough for any single current consumer hdd. sata600 (sata3) i havent heard much about, other than some initial topics when sata150 was first introduced, other than that it would seem to be the next generation of sata, whenever it comes out. the fastest 15k sas hdd for example, maxes out at 'only' just over 120MB/s STR.

the situation with sata300 may soon change though, if they can get the STR performance of ssds up to par (or significantly increase platter densities of mechanical hdds beyond what they are already)... then sata300 may actually have a point. until then though... sata150 is more than enough for anyone. (iRAM users aside; they may actually be the exception here)

for clarification, incase theres any confusion, STR = read/write performance, and in the cases above, its the max STR.