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January 27, 2010 8:07:45 AM

I have successfully created a USB installation routine for Windows XP using Multiboot.cmd. The problem i am having is that the installation works perfectly on evry machine i have tried it on apart from Dell machines.

It gets as far as Setup is Starting Windows (after loading in all the background drivers) and then Blue Screens with error 0x0000007b. I have scoured the internet and found nothing of any use on this error code.

It does state that when installing from USB to ensure that no other USB devices are plugged in but the mouse and keyboard themselves are USB devices.

Does anyone know why this might be happening and how i can resolve it??

Cheers
January 27, 2010 11:01:21 AM

That's a generic memory error. In the BSOD, look for the portion with the underscores (ex: page_fault_in_nonpaged_area).

Try removing all but one RAM chip.
January 27, 2010 11:08:30 AM

there is nothing like that on the BSOD. it can't be a memory error on EVERY Dell machine i have tried can it?

This is the BSOD in it's entirety (only get this on Dell Machines):

A Problem has been detected and Windos has been shut down to prent damage
to your computer.

If this is the first time you've seen this stop error scree,
restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow
these steps:

Check for viruses on your computer, Remove any newly installed
hard drives or hard drive controllers. Check your hard drive
to make sure it is properly configured and terminated.
Run CHKDSK /F to check for hard drive corruption, and then
restart your computer.

Technical information:

*** STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF99D9524,0xC0000034,0x00000000,0x00000000)

Useful eh???
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January 27, 2010 11:13:02 AM

Have you tried customizing the install with all the service packs and Dell drivers?

January 27, 2010 11:24:01 AM

i can't see that making a difference if i am honest as its not getting far enough to actually install any drivers as far as i can tell. this is what it does before it BSOD's

Setup is inspecting you hardware....
Displays blue setup screen
Press F6 to install SCSI
Press F2 for ASR
Loading Windows Executive etc.
Setup is Starting Windows (hangs here for about 15 - 20 seconds)
BSOD
January 27, 2010 12:53:43 PM

I don't know if it will make a difference, I've never tried installing XP off a USB drive. It sounds like a fun experiment though.

My first step would be to include the SPs or any 3rd party drivers (similar to how RAID drivers are needed).
January 27, 2010 4:56:57 PM

ok, it's my orgs nlited installation disc so i'm not sure how i would go about adding more drivers into it. can i use the contents of an nlited disc or do i have to start again from scratch??
January 27, 2010 6:01:33 PM

You could take that disc, and use nlite to add in the SP. Browse Dell's site for whatever model you're using, and look for drivers that may help (obviously audio, ethernet, and such drivers aren't going to help).
January 27, 2010 7:01:54 PM

it already has SP3 slipstreamed in, am i going to have to add EVERY dell chipset that there is?? like i said it fails on every single Dell machine i have tried. lol

is it worth pointing out that the CD version works ok?? maybe should've mentioned that sooner eh??
January 27, 2010 7:04:46 PM

No, not all drivers. That could cause conflicts.

The CD and USB drive have the same build on them?
January 27, 2010 8:04:51 PM

yep. i used the CD to create the USB build
January 27, 2010 8:09:20 PM

Look in the BIOS and see if there's an OS install mode. What's the jumper setting on the Dell hard drives?

There's been a few Dells that I've worked on that have had an OS install mode in the BIOS. I had to enable that in order to start the install process.
January 27, 2010 8:13:01 PM

i'll check on friday when i am back in the office where we have been testing it.

if this was the issue would it not be the same when using the cd version??
January 27, 2010 8:16:46 PM

hmm, good point.

Maybe an I/O error?

January 27, 2010 8:20:08 PM

i was thinking about something like that with it only failing on USB installations. i'm gonna try and get some chipset drivers for the dells and see what happens. failing that phone dell and find out what the hell is going on?!?!?

i'll keep you posted. if i find out how to get it working i will post a full explanation on what i did!!
January 27, 2010 8:22:41 PM

Ya, I'd be interested in knowing cuz that's a odd one.

It wouldn't surprise me though. I've fought with more than a few Dells before. They can be a real pain in the pooper.
January 28, 2010 9:04:30 AM

well dell are useless, all they told me to do was ring Presto Support who would be able to help as it was a Software Issue???
January 28, 2010 10:57:30 AM

That sounds like 'It's not on my troubleshooting list, so it's not our hardware.'

Did you mention that the software works fine on other (non Dell) systems?
January 28, 2010 11:09:45 AM

Aye, can you say "Pass the Buck"???

here is the transcript from the live chat:

Quote:
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Thank you. Can you tell me more of your issue and what have you tried so far to fix this?"
Leighton James: "I have created a USB bootable version of my Organisations Windows XP SP3 CD, this works ok on evry machine i have tested it on so far, apart from my Dell Laptop. If i plug it in to my Laptop i boot the installation ok and then get a blue screen error."
Leighton James: "i have the full details of the error if required however it does not provide any details of any use."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Please go ahead with the error."
Leighton James: "the blue screen occurs when the text "Setup is Starting Windows" appears on screen."
Leighton James: "the error is as follows:"
Leighton James: "A Problem has been detected and Windos has been shut down to prent damage
to your computer.

If this is the first time you've seen this stop error scree,
restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow
these steps:

Check for viruses on your c"
omputer, Remove any newly installed
hard drives or hard drive controllers. Check your hard drive
to make sure it is properly configured and terminated.
Run CHKDSK /F to check for hard drive corruption, and then
restart your computer.

Technical informatio
n:

*** STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF99D9524,0xC0000034,0x00000000,0x00000000)
Leighton James: "i have tested this on other Dell machines with the same result. like i said it works fine on other machines just not Dell."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "I appreciate the information that you have provided. May I know if you are near the system with which you are facing the issue?"

Leighton James: "i am in front of the problem machine yes"
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Have you already tried changing the SATA Operation AHCI to ATA or vice versa?"
Leighton James: "yes, this has not resolved the issue unfortunately. i am able to successfully install from the CD i used to create the USB installation"
Agent (Maria_Facal): "I see. Can I place you on hold for 3-5 minutes while I research the needed information regarding your issue?"
Leighton James: "yes that is fine"
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Thank you. Please stay online."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Leighton, while checking on this when you change the SATA operation, did you try reinstalling the Operating system again?"
Leighton James: "yes, it still comes up with the same blue screen message"
Agent (Maria_Facal): "But when you are using a disc in reinstalling the operation system, you are not receiving any blue screen?"
Leighton James: "nope, it works ok."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Thank you for waiting patiently, Leighton."
Leighton James: "no problem"
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Checking further on this, it seems that the issue you are having is software-related. We support Hardware issues and have a designated department who handles software-related issues."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "You can get expert advice and support for software issues at Presto Support at 0844 444 3600 (UK) or 1850 406 006 (IR). Presto support is a fee-based support. They are available from 8:00AM – 8:00PM GMT."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Rest assured they can give you the help that you need in no time at all. I will now generate our case number for this incident, just in case you would need further assistance in the future. While I’m doing that, are there any other issues I can help you"
with today or anything that I could have done to make your experience with Dell better?
Leighton James: "thank you but i am unclear as to why it is a software issue, the CD version works ok however the USB version does not. if it was a software issue then surely neither version would work?"
Agent (Maria_Facal): "We considered it as Software issue as you are having issues in installing the Windows XP using a bootable USB. This is one the issues our Software Department supports."
Leighton James: "ok, thanks"
Agent (Maria_Facal): "You are welcome. Thank you for your understanding."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "Leighton, here’s the case number 649693706, please use this if you need to contact Dell again regarding this issue. You will receive a transcript of our chat conversation."
Agent (Maria_Facal): "It has been a great pleasure working with you today. Thank You for choosing Dell Hardware Warranty Chat Support. Feel free to visit us again at http://support.euro.dell.com/support/topics/topic.aspx/..."
en for assistance in the future. Have a Great Day!



What a load of ........
January 28, 2010 11:51:50 AM

Doesn't surprise me with Dell either, they customise every aspect of their machine so much that they don't like to play outside the square. It would seem right down to the BIOS.

When you say you tried running set-up successfully of a CD... was that with an external drives plugged into a USB port?

Are there any configurations in the hells... oops Dells that would affect booting from a USB device?

Sorry it sounds like a really basic question but I am unfamiliar with the BIOS configuration that come with Dells. I can only imagine the BIOS options would be stripped right down.
January 28, 2010 12:06:12 PM

The BIOS is very basic, don't worry about asking questions, I won't get offended. The answer to your question is, the CD install was without external devices plugged. the dells will boot ok from USB as we use them for ghosting.
January 28, 2010 12:19:44 PM

Sorry not thinking clearly tonight.

The XP OS would have loaded far enough from the USB drive to throw up a BSOD.

I've been doing a little looking online and came across this thread where they talk about the troubles with booting from a USB device with a Dell. Same error code. They talk about an XP resetting the USB bus and Dell not liking it.

I'm not sure if you can gain anything from this thread but I thought I would share anyways:

http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=12960
January 28, 2010 12:20:23 PM

nice find. looking into it now.

EDIT: WOOHOO!!! It's working now finally. Thanks btk1w1

It required the use of a modified NTDETECT.COM file in order for it to boot on Dell Machines. If anyone wants me to provide the steps on exactly how to get this working then let me know.
January 28, 2010 1:34:06 PM

Wow, never would've thought of that.

Nice one btk1w1
January 28, 2010 2:10:01 PM

how do i now mark this as solved??
January 28, 2010 4:23:02 PM

You should see a 'best answer' button on btk1w1's answer. Click that and it should mark the thread as solved.
January 28, 2010 5:58:25 PM

there is no button... :(  can't give him the credit he deserves.
January 28, 2010 8:08:16 PM

I wonder if the discussion type of thread doesn't have the option. I don't start many threads, so I haven't seen it myself yet. You could PM one of the moderators in this section. They can give you a difinitive answer.
January 28, 2010 8:34:21 PM

I'm glad you worked it out. Well done.

Although really, I lucked in on a web page I thought might have some relevance, you put in the hard yards.

In any case, If you are visiting the forums using ww.tomsguide.com you aren't given quite a few options. Visiting the site using ww.tomshardware.com extra options are made available.
June 20, 2011 10:07:31 AM

lembi2001, can you post your instruction how to get this to work?
July 15, 2011 1:20:54 AM

try other usb then reinstall back the OS.
February 8, 2013 8:57:50 AM

lembi2001 said:
nice find. looking into it now.

EDIT: WOOHOO!!! It's working now finally. Thanks btk1w1

It required the use of a modified NTDETECT.COM file in order for it to boot on Dell Machines. If anyone wants me to provide the steps on exactly how to get this working then let me know.



Dear , i have also the same issue , i can install xp from usb in every computer without problem but in dell desktop computers (gx270, gx520 etc) when i try to install xp using usb drive its booting , and wait at starting windows , before press enter to continue option its show blue screen

i also copy ntdetect.com from working windows but same error
can u please help me in this regards
May 31, 2013 10:45:56 AM

lembi2001 said:
nice find. looking into it now.

EDIT: WOOHOO!!! It's working now finally. Thanks btk1w1

It required the use of a modified NTDETECT.COM file in order for it to boot on Dell Machines. If anyone wants me to provide the steps on exactly how to get this working then let me know.


Could you explain what to change?
May 31, 2013 11:11:32 AM

btkiwi hasn't posted in Tom's for several months so it's time to close this old thread now. Please start a new one of your own if you still need advice.
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