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iyzmi   08-10-2007 at 07:39:11 AM

The only game I play is Counter-Strike Source and I'm wondering if the 690G chipset (Radeon Xpress 1250) is enough to handle the game on 1440x900 resolution with mostly high settings without lagging. I'm not hoping to see 60fps, but will the game look fluent w/o buying a video card and just using integrated video?

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Xazax310   08-10-2007 at 10:32:08 AM
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No, you would think an X1250 INTERGRATED would be somewhat strong but amazing it lacks any good performance. read here,
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

Real good MEDIA, DVD playback, and such but lacks game performance.
"As for the 3D operation, AMD is a definite winner here: their new solution boasts the today’s best integrated graphics adapter. Of course, it may not be powerful enough for contemporary games, but it can easily satisfy at least the needs of Windows Vista and some 2-3 year old games." - X-BIT LABS

Anand Also reviewed the 690G
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=2942&p=8

an amazing 25.1 FPS in HLF 2: LC >_>

"hey they are generally pathetic from a gaming perspective but the 690G obviously has some potential left in it at the lower resolutions. The 6150 performs okay considering the age of its core and we will see the new 6150SE and older 6100 chipset performing a few percent better overall but not enough to catch the 690G."
-AnandTech

The choice is up to you, I seriously doubt the Integrated will do what you want it to i say get an X1650XT or 7600GT those will do you great.

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iyzmi   08-10-2007 at 07:38:51 PM
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What is the best integrated graphics card? Actually, is there a list somewhere which shows best to worst in terms of performance? Thanks.

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iyzmi   08-10-2007 at 08:28:42 PM
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BTW, right now I'm running a GeForce4 Ti 4400 from 2002 and I get 40 something fps in the CS:S stress test. Is it really possible that my 5 year old video card is almost twice as fast as the 690G?

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zenmaster   08-10-2007 at 08:53:33 PM
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Yes it is.

There is not such thing as a good integrated video card.
They are only useful for office productivity purposes.

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iyzmi   08-10-2007 at 09:12:17 PM
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Does anybody in here use the 690G to play CS:S? What fps are you getting?

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turboflame   08-10-2007 at 10:51:59 PM
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iyzmi wrote :

What is the best integrated graphics card? Actually, is there a list somewhere which shows best to worst in terms of performance? Thanks.



AFAIK as of now the X1200/X1250 is the best integrated. I tried the X1200 IGP on my new 690V mobo, I had to run doom 3 at absolute minimum settings @ 800X600 and the game was still choppy. The only game that it could do a decent job on was halo at full settings @ 800x600. I upgraded to a 7600GT for $75 and it could run doom 3 maxed out @ 1280 x 1024 very smoothly.


I don't play CS so I can't help you there but I doubt you will get a good experience @ 1440x900. You may just want to buy a 690G mobo anyway, if it doesn't work out you can spend $50 - $70 on a video card which could handle it.


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desidude006   08-11-2007 at 04:20:37 PM
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Integrated graphics arent really meant to play games. Just save up some money for a gpu if you really want to play games at that res.


Message edited by desidude006 on 08-11-2007 at 04:21:11 PM
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jaguarskx   08-11-2007 at 05:44:09 PM
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iyzmi wrote :

Does anybody in here use the 690G to play CS:S? What fps are you getting?



Is Anandtech's review not good enough for you?

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amd690g_02260790233/14122.png

CS:S runs on the same engine (Source) as Half Life 2.

Running the game at 1024 x 768 resolution means the GPU will be pushing a total of 786,432 pixels @ 25.1FPS using medium quality.

Running the game at 1440 x 900 resolution means the GPU will be pushing a total of 1,290,000 pixels. That is almost 65% more pixels. Assuming performance is linear, that means FPS will drop by 65% or down to 15.2FPs.

If playing CS:S is the only purpose of your PC then either keep your current system or add a GPU card to your current build.

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smokedyou911   08-11-2007 at 08:24:19 PM
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A 7600gt will serve you nicly and for around 100 bucks it is 200% worth it.

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Gravemind123   08-11-2007 at 09:52:09 PM
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I don't think source would have issue on a 690G as long as you keep the settings at low. I can run source at low with a few medium settings at 1024x768 on a Quadro4 NVS200 PCI, which is based on the GeForce4 MX440 core, which is much weaker then the 690G. But if you want things to look nice, you would want a dedicated card, a 7600GT/GS or X1650Pro/XT would be good cards.

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spuddyt   08-11-2007 at 10:46:23 PM
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we are naturally assuming here that this isn't a laptop (i cant remember what integrated graphics goes in which mobo, they dont perform enough to be worth remembering)

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Xazax310   08-12-2007 at 10:10:02 PM
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Just simply put a discreet Graphics card will always be better than intergrated... unless its an FX5200......

 

But if you dont wannt spend much check out the 7300GT 50$ and one of the best cheap discreet Cards that doesnt suck horribly. That will run CS:S on High at 1440x900 with no lag and good framerates.

 

7300GT GDDR3 Verison for 70$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814122008

 

7300GT GDDR2 Verison, for an amazing 36$ wow just buy this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130025


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