September Graphics Cards

Hi Quick Question is there any new ATI Graphics card comming out in september that would be good for gaming.

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Raj

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I realise there's probably a only a very small percentage of THG readers that will get that joke, but I did it anyway.

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Reply to andybird123

I don't believe so, 2900XTX should be out soon, but I believe that's not even until Nov or so...

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Reply to localcpuguy

cheers i was hoping someone might say their will be ard out better than the HD2600XT but a proper midrange card

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Reply to rajmist

A HD2900PRO (a proper mid range card) might be in the works but the release date is unknown.

Likely not in september. good luck with your hunt.

Reply to liquidaim

Cant say Ive ever heard any news of a 2900XTX??

Souce?

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Reply to Hatman

rajmist wrote :

cheers i was hoping someone might say their will be ard out better than the HD2600XT but a proper midrange card

i dont see anypoint to release this card during November. From what the reports say, nV's G92 cards should come out and again ATI will start falling a generation back again to nV.

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andybird123 wrote :

Computer says no *cough*

I realise there's probably a only a very small percentage of THG readers that will get that joke, but I did it anyway.

can you explain for the noobs then?

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Reply to spuddyt

Gecube are releasing a gemini version of the 2600xt quite soon i beleive dont know what it will be like though

Reply to mactronix

2600xt gemini will take on 8600gts, and hd2900pro will take on 8800gts 320mb

So it'll be like:

2400 - 8400
2600pro - 8500
2600xt GDDR4 - 8600gt
2600xt gemini - 8600gts
2900pro - 8800gts 320mb
2900xt - 8800gts 640mb
2900xt gddr4 - 8800gtx (only if dx10 needs the memory)
2900xt CF - 8800ultra

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Reply to Hatman

Hatman wrote :

2600xt gemini will take on 8600gts, and hd2900pro will take on 8800gts 320mb

I have my doubt that the Gemini will compete at the 8600 gts' price level and if the 2900 pro is competitive with the 8800 gts 320 mb it will be too close to the 2900XT which wouldn´t be smart. If AMD decided to bring a 2950 Pro and a 2950XT and stop the 2900XT that would make more sense. I doubt that will happen this soon after the release of the 2900XT though. On the other hand AMD can´t wait too long - chrismas isn´t that far away anymore and there is a lot of money to be made, even though they didn´t care the last time around either.

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Reply to Slobogob

Indeed..I don't think there will be a refresh of the 2900XT...

The g92 will arrive in november..With the r700 coming around q1/q2 2008.

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i'm still confused about that "computer says no" thing

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Reply to spuddyt

yeyeye little britain

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spuddyt wrote :

i'm still confused about that "computer says no" thing

My best guess would be that it's a oblique reference to magic 8 ball:

1) The phrasing is the same
2) A play that asking a question like that, is a bit like fortune telling, no knowing what the truth is.

Reply to pernicious

Two guys called matt lucus and david walliams do a show in the uk(dont know where else it goes out )and one of the scetches is a mick take of like a council/public service bod(its a guy dressed as a woman).
Another guy askes questions and after frantic typing and checking of the screen the answer is always ........
"Computer says no".
The show is called little britain and its either instantly funnny to you or you just dont get it. i fall into the latter catagory.
Mactronix

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Slobogob wrote :

I have my doubt that the Gemini will compete at the 8600 gts' price level and if the 2900 pro is competitive with the 8800 gts 320 mb it will be too close to the 2900XT which wouldn´t be smart. If AMD decided to bring a 2950 Pro and a 2950XT and stop the 2900XT that would make more sense. I doubt that will happen this soon after the release of the 2900XT though. On the other hand AMD can´t wait too long - chrismas isn´t that far away anymore and there is a lot of money to be made, even though they didn´t care the last time around either.

Well thats ATI's targets. Im pretty sure the 2600gemini will be the same price as 8600gts. Theres no 2900xtx coming out though...

2900pro I also doubt its performance, but, it's just basically 2900xt with 256bit interface, half teh shaders, and half the ROPS. Keeps the same amount of texture units though so im guessing its AA stuff will be quite good for its performance.

I hope they make a 1GB model of it..

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Reply to Hatman

Why would they make a 1GB mainstream card? It wouldn't benefit from it, it has a smaller memory interface and no games use 1GB of VRAM. 512Mb would be enough.

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Reply to vonwombat

I'm not trying to start an arguemnt or anything but the difference between 8800 gts 320 and 640 is non existant at lower resolutions and textures. So a 2900pro although performing almost identically to the 2900xt would still make sense. Because at the higher resolutions the 2900xt would start to pull away.

The 2900pro would also likely be a much lower power part and cooler. Looking at the specs of the new workstation cards (FireGL) their is in fact a 2900pro equivalant card. Which overall looks far more balanced than the 2900xt in terms of the backend.

If this card does get released in desktop market it could be the new mid range king if the price is right. Due the lower power and heat it should be an overclocking beast. I think the manufacturers will have a good time with it. I also think that at low resolutions the 2900pro will be beating the 2900xt.

Oh and Little Britain is SH!T. matt lucas and david williams are not funny.

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Hatman

I thought the 2900pro has the same amount of ROPS as the 2900xt. In fact I thought the entire backend was indentical. I may be mistaken though. We could all be mistaken because it doesnt actually exist but they are educated guesses at least.

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gpippas wrote :

I'm not trying to start an arguemnt or anything but the difference between 8800 gts 320 and 640 is non existant at lower resolutions and textures. So a 2900pro although performing almost identically to the 2900xt would still make sense. Because at the higher resolutions the 2900xt would start to pull away.

Interesting point of view. The difference between the 320 and 640 MB versions of the GTS are not a perfect example to compare the (speculative) performance of a 2900 pro to a 2900xt. The 2900XT is AMDs high end. A reasonable metapher would´ve been to compare the GTX with the 640MB GTS. That´s the kind of relative performance difference AMD needs to achieve. If it is only 2 or 3 percent as seen with some of the 1024MB 2900XT compared to the 512 MB version, it makes no sense. Comparing older cards like the 1950XT with the 1950 Pro show that ATI used to keep a reasonable performance gap between it´s high end and it´s high mid range. If they pull the same stunt again, manufacturing a 2900 Pro that´s only 15 or 20 percent slower than the XT and offer it at a very attractive price (like they did the 1950 pro) that would be amazing.

Reply to Slobogob

Thanks guys

would i be right in saying if i wanted to spend about £120 i better or getting a DX9 card and wait for a solid DX10 card to come out or is hte 2600 Gemmini worth waiting for

Reply to rajmist

I recommend the first option

Reply to spuddyt

andybird123 wrote :

Computer says no *cough*

I realise there's probably a only a very small percentage of THG readers that will get that joke, but I did it anyway.

you legend

Reply to RizzyWho

gpippas wrote :

Hatman

I thought the 2900pro has the same amount of ROPS as the 2900xt. In fact I thought the entire backend was indentical. I may be mistaken though. We could all be mistaken because it doesnt actually exist but they are educated guesses at least.

No I think it has half rops, and the same amount of texture units, atleast, according to Fudzilla.

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Reply to Hatman

andybird123 wrote :

Computer says no *cough*

I realise there's probably a only a very small percentage of THG readers that will get that joke, but I did it anyway.

hahahaha :lol:

yeeesssssssssssss *plays the flute*

as for the people who are wondering what the gaff is going on, its just quotes people in Britain have picked up from a funny (and at times a bit toooo crazy) comedy series called little britain, which basically involves two guys playing a whole host of different and crazy characters.

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gpippas wrote :

Hatman

I thought the 2900pro has the same amount of ROPS as the 2900xt. In fact I thought the entire backend was indentical. I may be mistaken though. We could all be mistaken because it doesnt actually exist but they are educated guesses at least.

No I think it has half rops, and the same amount of texture units, atleast, according to Fudzilla.

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Reply to Hatman

Just read that on Fudzilla. Heres some more info.

http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=5727

From what I have understood it is going to be based on the V7600GL. Which has 320 shader units and 256 bit memory bus. But cant find much about the texture units or rops. Ati website doesnt mention them on the V7600GL.

Rajmist

At overclockers.co.uk they are selling the 1950pro ownbrand at £70. The 1950pro is plenty powerful enough to last for at least a year. The 2600 gemini doesnt look that promising. If you have a crossfire mobo buy 2 1950pros for only £140. Unless you are willing to spend enough for a 8800gts 320 none of the current DX10 midrange/budget cards are good value. They underperform and cost to much.

Slobogob

x1950xt wasnt Ati highest performing card. That was the x1950xtx. Ati's highest performing card at the moment should have been the 2900xtx. However that never came to existance although it was planned, designed and built they just never released it. What if the 2900 pro was planned right from the beginning but for whatever reason its been delayed. Then it makes sense that it would follow the trend of being just short of the 2900xt in performance with the 2900xtx right at the top. But like I said the 2900xtx doesnt exist. But that doesnt mean they would change the original design of the 2900 pro. Its all just a theory. But considering the succes that the 1950 pro was and is I would be surprised that Ati didnt have plans for a 2900 pro a very long time ago.

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I can't seem to find the release date of the XTX, but people have tested it in prototype I guess.
http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeo [...] e+Start/ar ticle7052.htm

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Reply to localcpuguy

A good performing 2900pro in the 250$ range would be great, especially if it can perform close to the GTS 320.

Reply to San Pedro

cheers gpippas

Reply to rajmist

Hold your horses, there IS a card coming out this month!!!

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] ask=view&a mp;id=2439&Itemid=1

Gainward 8600gt, 1gb of memory, 500mhz clock and 100mhx memory (2000effective).

I found it quiote intersting, if DX10 does indeed need a lot of memory to work, then they've hit the nail on the head, comes in close to GTS speeds too.

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Reply to Hatman

gpippas wrote :

x1950xt wasnt Ati highest performing card. That was the x1950xtx. Ati's highest performing card at the moment should have been the 2900xtx. However that never came to existance although it was planned, designed and built they just never released it. What if the 2900 pro was planned right from the beginning but for whatever reason its been delayed. Then it makes sense that it would follow the trend of being just short of the 2900xt in performance with the 2900xtx right at the top. But like I said the 2900xtx doesnt exist. But that doesnt mean they would change the original design of the 2900 pro. Its all just a theory. But considering the succes that the 1950 pro was and is I would be surprised that Ati didnt have plans for a 2900 pro a very long time ago.

I know about the 1950xtx. I just considered the performance difference between the xtx and the xt to be to small given the price difference. That´s why i compared it to 8800GTX and 8800 GTS 640 Mb and not with the 8800 Ultra.

Given AMDs history of delays and paper launches, it think we won´t see the 2900Pro for a looong time.

Reply to Slobogob

Slobogob

You are right about comparing it to the GTX and GTS. And I have to agree with you when I see a 2900pro I'll believe it. Untill then heres to hoping they bring release it.

Reply to gpippas

They WILL be bringing it out..

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Reply to Hatman

I think either a 2900 pro or a 2950 pro will be released. The 2950 pro will just be die shrink meaning lower power less heat. If a 2900 pro isnt announced in the next month it wont be released. After mid september their is no point. Because it will run into Nvidia's rumored new gpu release dates. So not only will the card look old it will have all its limelight taken by Nvidia.

Reply to gpippas

As far as I know, its just the 2900pro, a dual 2600xt, and after Xmas a dual R670 on 55NM process.

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Reply to Hatman

localcpuguy wrote :

I can't seem to find the release date of the XTX, but people have tested it in prototype I guess.
http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeo [...] e+Start/ar ticle7052.htm

Yes the "ES" version of the XTX exists but there won't be any XTX releases.

Reply to bfellow

Well, according to that, the 1gb GGDR4 version available now was the XTX, it was originally that long but they reduced it for desktops.

But ATI never called it the XTX its just another GDDR4 XT version.

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Reply to Hatman

localcpuguy wrote :

I can't seem to find the release date of the XTX, but people have tested it in prototype I guess.
http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeo [...] e+Start/ar ticle7052.htm

320 shader units AND 64 texture units (4x the current 16 units) will surely uncork the power. I'm surprised this wasn't done already.
Then after getting DDR4 tweeked, the XTX should be a generation faster than even the 8800GTX.

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what is the graphics card producer's obsession with x's?

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