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Hey guys,
I was wondering if SLI is right for me. Right now, I'm building a new system and I've done a lot of searching on the internet (and these forums) to help me decide on a motherboard. I'm torn between SLI or just a single GPU. I game at 1280x1024 (and I might upgrade to a 22" at 1680x1050). This would be the maximum resolution--is an SLI setup even worth it? I think a single $500 gfx card would beat 2 $250 gfx cards in SLI. What do you guys think? Should I buy an SLI mobo so that I can choose to upgrade to SLI if it improves in the future? What are your guys' thoughts? I appreciate any help.

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At that res, even at 1680X1050, Sli is NOT worth it. A card like 8800GTS is what you're looking for...However it is thought to be that the 8 series cannot handle Dx10 games so spend less now and save up for later, like the 9series (twice the power of the 8800GTX).

Reply to Evilonigiri

SLI is a marketing gimmick/engine developed by the Marketing guru's over at Nvidia to trick the consumer into buying double what they would normaly buy. It was developed around the dual core hype. They figured they could ride the same train.

Unless you are playing at rediculous resolutions with all the eyecandy and using at least the 8800GTS. its not worth it.

Take this opinion with a grain of salt, I'm a poor college student with no money to spare. :cry:


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Reply to koolaidkitten

Thanks a lot guys, that was very helpful. I'm going the single GPU route!

Reply to fireindehole

Do you think an 8800 GTS 320 would be able to handle most present games with AA and AF at 1280x1024? Maybe I'll just wait to buy a 9series when I upgrade my monitor. It seems the difference between the 320 and the 640 is pretty slim at 1280x1024.

Reply to fireindehole

SLI/CF is also actually useful if your looking for a silent system, since usually only the mid range ones come with passive cooling, so can shove 2 in together :D

Altho water cooling can cool the higher end ones if your really into that.

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Reply to Hatman

Hatman wrote :

SLI/CF is also actually useful if your looking for a silent system, since usually only the mid range ones come with passive cooling, so can shove 2 in together :D

Altho water cooling can cool the higher end ones if your really into that.

Even if noise was an issue, the noise benefits would not be worth the severe disadvantages of SLI'ing 8600s or 8500s.

Reply to Heyyou27

Get a GA-P35-DS3R and an 8800 GTS 320 MB. That should be plenty for your current resolution. By the time that becomes insufficient you'll be able to get a next generation card.

Reply to aevm

Evilonigiri wrote :

the 9series (twice the power of the 8800GTX).



I somewhat resent that statement since it´s a generalization of pre-release marketing hype published by the manufacturer. The information that the new GPU will break the teraflop barrier is interesting but, like a 3dmark score, is not really indicative of gaming performance. It´s like comparing the x2900XT with the 8800 Ultra. The former has 320 shader units while the latter has only 128 which should make the ATI card more than two times as fast... It´s nothing more than picking the most benefical facts and compare them with everything else left out.

Reply to Slobogob

but anyway back to the topic, IMO (not that I've ever tried to use it), SLI is only worth it when you are building a machine where money is no object (so, when you want to do something that really requires the generation that isn't out yet)

Reply to spuddyt

Go with the single card. It will be all you need, and provides better upgrade options later on.

Reply to HPCE_Larry

fireindehole wrote :

Hey guys,
I was wondering if SLI is right for me. Right now, I'm building a new system and I've done a lot of searching on the internet (and these forums) to help me decide on a motherboard. I'm torn between SLI or just a single GPU. I game at 1280x1024 (and I might upgrade to a 22" at 1680x1050). This would be the maximum resolution--is an SLI setup even worth it? I think a single $500 gfx card would beat 2 $250 gfx cards in SLI. What do you guys think? Should I buy an SLI mobo so that I can choose to upgrade to SLI if it improves in the future? What are your guys' thoughts? I appreciate any help.


I have been running a pair of 7900GT's in Sli for a year or so now and I run at 1280x1024 does it make a difference? [:mousemonkey:2] hell yeah! [:mousemonkey]
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7734/fearresultnoslirx7.th.jpgThis is without Sli http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8782/fearresultwithslirq4.th.jpgand this is with Sli

So I would say to get an Sli mobo and the best graphic card you can afford now and that way you will leave yourself the option of increasing your graphical horsepower when something like Crysis or Timeshift gives your visuals a beating.

Reply to mousemonkey

Evilonigiri wrote :

At that res, even at 1680X1050, Sli is NOT worth it. A card like 8800GTS is what you're looking for...However it is thought to be that the 8 series cannot handle Dx10 games so spend less now and save up for later, like the 9series (twice the power of the 8800GTX).



That is a total bunch of speculation on your part, both as to the 8800, and the 9800 series.

@mousemonkey, it depends on the card you are looking at for $250.

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Reply to royalcrown

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?a [...] pert&pid=6

The cheap SLI wins, because there is more of a markup on the $500 dollar card, and a GTs is more than half the power of a GTX. Evilonigiri, I think you are a newbie to TS and hardware...

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Reply to royalcrown

royalcrown wrote :

That is a total bunch of speculation on your part, both as to the 8800, and the 9800 series.

@mousemonkey, it depends on the card you are looking at for $250.



Yes, I am aware that not all cards are created equal, but for example when I built my rig last year I was at first going to put a 7600GT into it but after a bit a scraping I found that I was able to afford a 7900GT but couldn't quite stretch to a GTX, then a few months later when I had a bit of spare cash I found it impossible to get another 7900GT because they where no longer on sale here in the UK so I bought a 7900 GTO which on it's own is faster and gives higher frame rates than a GT, however I am lucky enough to have a friend that also had a 7900GT which he brought over one evening at which point I had 2x7900GT's and 1 7900GTO and a mobo with two PCI-e slots, can you see where this was going?, I've done a bit experimenting mate,and from that I've deduced two 7900GT's are better than 1 7900GTO but the GTO is a great card on it's own but two GTO's would be even greater not as good as two GTX's but maybe better than a single GTX, you might note that I do not compare to the GF8's as many mistakenly do, if you are going to compare Sli'd cards to non Sli cards you must stay within the same family and GPU.

Reply to mousemonkey

I looked at your jpg files. You got 48 fps minimum and 108 average with a single card, that's beautiful already IMO.

Reply to aevm

mousemonkey wrote :

I have been running a pair of 7900GT's in Sli for a year or so now and I run at 1280x1024 does it make a difference? [:mousemonkey:2] hell yeah! [:mousemonkey]
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7 [...] rx7.th.jpgThis is without Sli http://img171.imageshack.us/img171 [...] rq4.th.jpgand this is with Sli

So I would say to get an Sli mobo and the best graphic card you can afford now and that way you will leave yourself the option of increasing your graphical horsepower when something like Crysis or Timeshift gives your visuals a beating.

Those gains are actually pretty weak in comparison to what you'd get if you enabled high levels of antialiasing and anisotropic filtering.

Reply to Heyyou27

aevm wrote :

I looked at your jpg files. You got 48 fps minimum and 108 average with a single card, that's beautiful already IMO.


Thank you.

Reply to mousemonkey

Heyyou27 wrote :

Those gains are actually pretty weak in comparison to what you'd get if you enabled high levels of antialiasing and anisotropic filtering.


The point of the jpegs was to show the simple increase that one would get if one was to double the amount of cards in ones computer as visual quality settings can be a subjective thing, what one person considers best another may deem unacceptable, FPS however is FPS and more is always better than less IMO.

Reply to mousemonkey

I agree SLI improves performance, but not by much. To SLI the Premium card available is a waste of money, but like mousmonkey is saying.....if you have the means...why not ? You will definately get gains. SLI is just another OPTION you have, albeit not a very wise one in my opinion, but sometimes it has its ups.

Reply to annisman

annisman wrote :

I agree SLI improves performance, but not by much. To SLI the Premium card available is a waste of money, but like mousmonkey is saying.....if you have the means...why not ? You will definately get gains. SLI is just another OPTION you have, albeit not a very wise one in my opinion, but sometimes it has its ups.


It is very much a case of 'each to his or her own' but I like options the more options the merrier I say, you can never have too many options, so long as they are optional not compulsory. :)


Message edited by mousemonkey on 08-13-2007 at 07:18:31 AM
Reply to mousemonkey

Hey guys,
I was wondering if SLI is right for me. Right now, I'm building a new system and I've done a lot of searching on the internet (and these forums) to help me decide on a motherboard. I'm torn between SLI or just a single GPU. I game at 1280x1024 (and I might upgrade to a 22" at 1680x1050). This would be the maximum resolution--is an SLI setup even worth it? I think a single $500 gfx card would beat 2 $250 gfx cards in SLI. What do you guys think? Should I buy an SLI mobo so that I can choose to upgrade to SLI if it improves in the future? What are your guys' thoughts? I appreciate any help.

if you upgrade to the 22" i'd recommend a single 8800 gtx. 1280x1024 isn't worth the sli but is still worth the gtx. no screen under 25" worth it. unless it's a pair of fx 5500... but that aint gonna happen. unless u've got uhhh somewhere around e6700 or even a qx something and a 30" 2560x1600 screen. no point in sli the gtxes so dont get the sli mobo

Reply to itotallybelieveyou

I think the 320mb gts would be easily enough for 1280x1024, and the 640mb version for the 1600x1050 screen.

 

Also, nvidia are quick to say yeh we're going to have a 1tb card woo. That isnt the whole series, thats likely a gtx/ultra equivalent for like $800, and the rest will not get anywhere as near.


Message edited by Hatman on 08-13-2007 at 10:31:49 AM
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tb? wouldn't that be tf? (teraflop isn't that what they are saying?)


Message edited by spuddyt on 08-13-2007 at 01:32:45 PM
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