Choosing between HDD's

[nukchebi0]

Quick question up front: Can I raid HDD's of two different brands as long as they the same size?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136074

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152054

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148140

Which of these three drives is the best?

I can't decide now between 320GB and 400GB for my external internal.

 

[joex444]

Your links don't work, I can't even piece them together.

What do you mean "my external internal."

 

[jaguarskx]

Your links do not work. If the links are too long, the forum automatically shortens (truncate) them making them useless.

Do not paste links in the Quick Reply box. Click the Post Reply icon and from there look for and click the link icon which looks like a chain link.

Paste the link inside the two bracketed "URLs".

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To answer your question, yes you technically can, but it is not recommended. Different drives have different timings and specs. In the best case scenario you will take a performance hit because one drive has to wait for the other. In the worst case scenario the different timings can cause a skip in data writing which will render the data useless.

 

[nukchebi0]

Here are the links.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152054
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140

I am putting together an external drive usinga seperate case and HDD. The HDD is intended as an internal drive, hence "external internal".

 

[UncleDave]

Yes, but it's not recommended.

 

[nukchebi0]

Others have recommended doing so.

 

[nukchebi0]

Can someone answer the question, please.

 

[UncleDave]

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As for mixing drives..... I can only re-iterate jaguarskx's post

To answer your question, yes you technically can, but it is not recommended. Different drives have different timings and specs. In the best case scenario you will take a performance hit because one drive has to wait for the other. In the worst case scenario the different timings can cause a skip in data writing which will render the data useless.

 

[SomeJoe7777]

In the worst case scenario the different timings can cause a skip in data writing which will render the data useless.

I hardly think so. No error will ever arise from using mismatched drives unless there is a hardware problem.

Using mismatched drives will work fine with no errors. However, there is a performance degradation.

For example, say I build 3 different 2-drive RAID-0s, one with 2x drive A, one with 2x drive B, and a third with 1 each of A and B.

Let's say drive A has better and more intelligent cache handling, and therefore outperforms drive B with several requests for small files. But drive B has a higher sequential transfer rate (STR) and outperforms drive A when reading large files.

My first RAID-0 with 2x drive A performs much better than the second RAID with 2x drive B when reading several small files, thanks to the better caching in the A drives.

My second RAID-0 with 2x drive B outperforms RAID-0 with 2x drive A when doing Photoshop scratch work, thanks to the higher STR of the B drives.

The third RAID-0, with 1 each of drive A and B underperforms both of the other RAID-0s. In the several small files case, the RAID controller is always waiting on drive B to complete requests because it's caching isn't as good. In the STR applications, the RAID controller is always waiting on drive A to complete requests because of the slower STR. In short, the 1 drive of each RAID is always hampered by the worst-case performance of any single connected drive.

This is why it's generally recommended to use identical drives. Since the purpose of RAID-0 is to increase performance, and using different drives hampers performance, the use of different drives in RAID-0 is counterproductive.

For other RAID levels, like RAID-1, it's less counterproductive, but the performance still suffers.

 

[UncleDave]

I hardly think so. No error will ever arise from using mismatched drives unless there is a hardware problem.

Using mismatched drives will work fine with no errors. However, there is a performance degradation.

This is why it's generally recommended to use identical drives. Since the purpose of RAID-0 is to increase performance, and using different drives hampers performance, the use of different drives in RAID-0 is counterproductive.

For other RAID levels, like RAID-1, it's less counterproductive, but the performance still suffers.

Can we agree that it is recommended that all drives in a RAID array SHOULD be the same but can be different?

Next time I quote I'll make sure I quote properly not cut and paste - If data ever got (gets?) out of sync between two drives it's up to the controller card (or software) to correct it.

 

[SomeJoe7777]

Can we agree that it is recommended that all drives in a RAID array SHOULD be the same but can be different?

Yes, of course. That is for sure.

Next time I quote I'll make sure I quote properly not cut and paste - If data ever got (gets?) out of sync between two drives it's up to the controller card (or software) to correct it.

I am confused on this point. What does it mean that data "gets out of sync" between the two drives? Why would that happen? And why would different drives make this more likely?

The RAID controller is in absolute control of all data writes and reads. If a drive does not do what the controller has told it to do, then the drive has failed for all intents and purposes. You now have a degraded RAID (or useless RAID-0), and must replace the drive.

 

[UncleDave]

Yes, of course. That is for sure.



I am confused on this point. What does it mean that data "gets out of sync" between the two drives? Why would that happen? And why would different drives make this more likely?

The RAID controller is in absolute control of all data writes and reads. If a drive does not do what the controller has told it to do, then the drive has failed for all intents and purposes. You now have a degraded RAID (or useless RAID-0), and must replace the drive.

I think we are saying the same thing.

The RAID controller is not in absolute control of all data writes and reads - the controller instructs the drives to store or retrieve information. The drive will let the RAID controller know the results of the instruction. The read or write request can fail for any number of reasons from the kick I just gave the server to the cable expanding and making dodgy contact to any number of reasons. If the RAID controllers request succeeds on the first drive and fails against the second drive, the RAID controller has a number of actions to take, the last of which will result in the drive being disabled.

I have never contended that it is more or less likely - I quoted somebody else <--- my mistake. IMHO Data can get out of sync for the hell of it

I certainly do not contend that the RAID controller will detect and then just leave data of of sync.

 

[SomeJoe7777]

The RAID controller is not in absolute control of all data writes and reads - the controller instructs the drives to store or retrieve information. The drive will let the RAID controller know the results of the instruction. The read or write request can fail for any number of reasons from the kick I just gave the server to the cable expanding and making dodgy contact to any number of reasons. If the RAID controllers request succeeds on the first drive and fails against the second drive, the RAID controller has a number of actions to take, the last of which will result in the drive being disabled.

I have never contended that it is more or less likely - I quoted somebody else <--- my mistake. IMHO Data can get out of sync for the hell of it

I certainly do not contend that the RAID controller will detect and then just leave data of of sync.

To me, data would only be in a state that the RAID controller does not desire and/or did not intend if there is an error condition happening somewhere downstream of the RAID controller. Yes, all of those reasons you mentioned can cause a drive to have trouble writing or reading data. However, the drive's own internal algorithms will re-try the operation, attempt ECC, etc. before reporting to the RAID controller that the command did not complete. By the time a drive reports an error to the RAID controller, there is a serious problem.

During that entire period of waiting on the drive to re-try, the RAID controller is patiently sitting there, waiting for a response. The RAID controller will never give up and leave the data in an unknown state (barring a software/firmware bug in the controller). Once the drive actually throws an error condition back to the controller, the controller can take several actions, as you've stated, including it's own attempts at re-trys, or if the array is redundant (RAID-1 or 5), attempt to immediately reconstruct the data from other drives, and/or reallocate the bad block. It can and will also warn the user through the software driver and user interface.

Anyway, my point here is that to me, if any of this type of error correction is coming into play during RAID operation, the array is not functioning properly from a hardware perspective. There should never be a situation where active error correction steps should be considered part of normal operation. I don't believe that data "gets out of sync" for the hell of it. There is always a reason. That reason is usually defective hardware, and that defect needs to be fixed.

 

[vaker5]

Whats the point of buying a bunch of different drives anyways why not get all the same... is there a point, if not then why do it?

 

[nukchebi0]

The drive I have isn't on Newegg anymore.

 

[nukchebi0]

Can someone answer the original question, or find a reputable site that has a 400GB Spinpoint T for a decent price?

 

[UncleDave]

Can someone answer the original question, or find a reputable site that has a 400GB Spinpoint T for a decent price?

You having a laugh?

 

[prolfe]

This has been a very informative post for me; thanks! I recently experimented with RAID0 and couldn't figure out why two drives were slower than one (they were VERY dissimilar, different brands, capacities, ETC).

 

[nukchebi0]

You having a laugh?

The other original question, about the hard drives. I think the other one was answered.