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$150 GFX Card, down to 2 options left (8600gts v.s x1950pro)

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Which GFX card do you think its the best for me?

Total: 76 votes (23 blank votes)

  • 8600GTS 256mb 128bit DDR3
  • 17 %
  • x1950Pro 256mb 256bit DDR3
  • 74 %
  • Other, please specify ($150 max)
  • 10 %
August 20, 2007 6:25:09 PM

Hello all you clever people, please help me to pick a card here.

Im looking at a new gfx card for my system, the old 7600GS is way too slow for games. My main concern is the tight budget, no more than $150 am i allowed to spend on the card. This narrows my choice down to 2 fine card that both highly recommended by most gamers.

1) SAPPHIRE Radeon X1950PRO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102061
2) MSI GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127287

Both cards are from newegg, with the ATi priced at $140, the Nvidia at $140 after rebate ($20).

My mobo is the DFI Infinity P965-S Dark, which supports only crossfire, im running 2 sticks of 1gb DDR2 800 ATI Certified OCZ RAM. CPU is E4300 o.c to 3Ghz (333 x 9)

One more thing, im not sure if this configuration would work, but is it possible for me to keep the 7600GS running on my second PCI-E slot, running a dual gfx, dual monitor system? Basically having my new gfx card as the primary display adapter, while running another seperate desktop profile on the second gfx card (7600GS). What are the problems with running an ATi and Nvidia gfx card at the same time? or am i restricted to another nvidia card in order to run both old 7600GS and the new one? Ive seen some ppl done this before and i want to have a crack at it, running games on one screen, and mp3/file/video etc.. on other, on 2 seperate gfx cards.


Thanks in advance
a c 169 U Graphics card
August 20, 2007 7:03:52 PM

get a X1950 or 7900GS as mousemonkey said
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a c 271 U Graphics card
August 20, 2007 7:09:39 PM

Ahh bugger, Maziar just falsified my statement. [:mousemonkey:4]
August 20, 2007 7:13:52 PM

if i get the 7900gs, will i be able to run both the 7900 and the 7600 at the same time??
a c 271 U Graphics card
August 20, 2007 7:18:27 PM

Yes, just no Sli goodness, obviously.
August 20, 2007 8:03:36 PM

At stock a x1950pro is better then a geforce 7900gs so if you aren't planning any oc i would suggest the x1950pro, but if you are a oc fan you should get the geforce 7900gs.
August 20, 2007 8:08:28 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Yes, just no Sli goodness, obviously.

yes i know, thats fine.. dual desktop/monitor is what i want. cant imagine a x1950 working with a 7600gs XD

cristip60 said:
At stock a x1950pro is better then a geforce 7900gs so if you aren't planning any oc i would suggest the x1950pro, but if you are a oc fan you should get the geforce 7900gs.


no, im not prepared to do any OC to the gfx card, only if its factory OC (like some foxconn & MSI cards) then i dont have a problem, otherwise i prefer to stick with factory stock settings.
August 20, 2007 8:23:45 PM

The x1950 and 7600 should work fine with one another just for multiple monitors. (I have no backing evidence) But the x1950 Pro is a better buy then 7900GS.

The question is, do you really need 4 monitors? I mean, how can you keep up with that much stuff. A single x1950Pro or 7900GS can run 2 monitors just fine.
August 20, 2007 8:36:51 PM

my 7900gs is originally clocked at 450/1320. Overclocked to 600/1620 just fine.
August 20, 2007 9:45:04 PM

My MSI OC edtion of the 8600GT is runnin 600/1600 stock, and is easily

overclockable. However, in your position, I'd go with a GTX.
August 20, 2007 10:52:53 PM

X1950Pro... the 7900GS can match it only with overclocking, so there's no real reason to buy it when they are the same price. And the 8600GTS is out of the question.
August 20, 2007 11:15:08 PM

I'd go for the X1950Pro obviously if I had to choose, however try paying $20 more and get a far more powerful card:

SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It will pretty much "own" every card but the 8800s and HD2900.
August 20, 2007 11:40:04 PM

all I can say from my own experience is DON'T GET THE 8600
August 21, 2007 12:24:41 AM

Haha I love spuddy... He's just so right :)  Anyway, I seriously don't understand why people consider 8600GT(S)/HD2600XT for gaming, these cards should only be considered for HTPCs. (and they are not much of a choice too, since you can get the same HTPC functionality for less with the HD2400 Pro, 8400GS, and 8500GT.)
August 21, 2007 12:32:09 AM

Go for x1950. I have one running in my system and its nice. My only suggestion would be to go for the 512mb version if possible.
August 21, 2007 8:24:37 AM

Mousemonkey said:
I was told a little while ago that it was not an impossibility and that came from Crashman http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244202-33-weird-question#t1737769


Thanks for the reference link, so it is possible to run both ATi and Nvidia card at the same time.



So it seems like the x1950 is the undisputed winner amongst the 2. One thing i would like to clearify is that the whole reason behind the dual gfx card setup is because i dont want to get rid of the 7600GS. My other PC takes AGP only, so that has pretty much render the 7600GS completely useless, i was hoping to use the 7600GS on my pc as a secondary card to watch videos/HQ Pictures and browse the net while i play games on the primary card (x1950).

well, anyways, thanks for the help, i really appreciate it. This is a great forum to ask for help, now i just to need to save some more money on the XT model : P
August 21, 2007 9:49:51 AM

I will agree with what pretty much everyone else said, go for the x1950pro, the performance is amazing for the price.
August 21, 2007 10:23:48 AM

MadCow809: I've tried to get a nVidia and an ATI card to work at the same time, and i was horrible UNsuccessful. I'm pretty sure having both ATI and nVidia drivers at the same time is a problem. I have nothing more than personal experience to back this up though.

P.S. I'd go for the X1950pro
August 21, 2007 4:49:39 PM

X1950PRO over the other cards mentioned... but I would agree with Emp, the X1950XT is the best choice.
October 14, 2007 7:47:13 AM

Hate to bring up an old thread but I'm debating on these two cards right now also. I'm doing a PC for gaming on a 50" Plasma.

I know the X1950PRO has better performance than the 8600GTS. But, the 8600GTS is DX10. Knowing that, why should I still go with the X1950PRO since its DX9??

Sorry for the ignorant question but I would think one would want DX10 compatibility.
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2007 8:15:53 AM

The 8600GTS can beat the x1950 pro in some games, and generally is not far behind it in others, for the most part. It also has the DX10 option, but that is not really a selling point for the card because it can't run DX10 (currently) with decent framerates.
October 14, 2007 8:17:49 AM

randomizer said:
The 8600GTS can beat the x1950 pro in some games, and generally is not far behind it in others, for the most part.


So, I guess the tables have turned a bit from when the GTS first came out??

Sounds like they are so close you really can't go wrong with either...
October 14, 2007 8:44:32 AM

randomizer said:
I'll pull up a review in a sec.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce8...


hmm.. I read the conclusion and it pretty much implied that the 8600GTS isnt worth it (if I was reading correctly).

Man, decisions decisions. I'm really torn between these two cards. Will what resolution be a big deciding factors between these two cards? Since this will be on a plasma, the optimal resolution is 1024x768 with a max of 1360x768..

Since the resolution isnt that high, shouldnt I be fine going with the 8600GTS and going ahead and having the DX10 capabilities?
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2007 8:59:54 AM

It's not worth... it if you already own a 7900GS or x1950 pro, no. I was simply showing that the 8600GTS is no longer a card to be disregarded, if you can get it for a good price, it has advantages over the xompetitors, especially if you intend to use Purevideo.
October 14, 2007 9:36:28 AM

I have one and it's great. I get around 50fps in Unreal 3 beta demo maxed out @ 1440x900 along with new COD4. 1950pro does have a slight edge in speed especially if you add AA into the mix but in the real world you will be playing at the same resolution and settings not to mention Geforce 8 IQ is slight better and ability to add 8xCSAA in older titles. Some newer titles 8600gts stomps 1950pro really good like MS flight simulator X or anything shader heavy and texture demanding.

You can't go wrong with either card but at this point in time you should get dx10 card with lower power consumption and better HDCP support. Just my opinion.

I've been called all kinds of names because I favor 8600gts over 1950pro but yeah I think they're comparable and I have owned both and they haven't so... :p 
October 14, 2007 5:36:59 PM

marvelous211 said:
I have one and it's great. I get around 50fps in Unreal 3 beta demo maxed out @ 1440x900 along with new COD4. 1950pro does have a slight edge in speed especially if you add AA into the mix but in the real world you will be playing at the same resolution and settings not to mention Geforce 8 IQ is slight better and ability to add 8xCSAA in older titles. Some newer titles 8600gts stomps 1950pro really good like MS flight simulator X or anything shader heavy and texture demanding.

You can't go wrong with either card but at this point in time you should get dx10 card with lower power consumption and better HDCP support. Just my opinion.

I've been called all kinds of names because I favor 8600gts over 1950pro but yeah I think they're comparable and I have owned both and they haven't so... :p 


Glad to hear that.. FSX is one of the main games I want to play.. I know I wont be able to crank it all the way up but the DX10 screenshots are amazing compared to the DX9 shots.
October 14, 2007 6:01:28 PM

Well the 7.10 catalyst driver is worth considering, so why not consider the 2600XT? It may even beat both those cards. Well only time will tell I suppose...
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 14, 2007 6:52:26 PM

Unless i missed it somewhere you havent mentioned or been asked about your OS if you are running Vista already then with the new driver improvements over the last few months the 8600gts would be the way to go specifically the msi one as its factory over clocked(slightly)has an advanced cooler so if you did get brave you could get more out of it yourself and runs a different chip to the referance boards.
The 7900's/1950pro and more so the xt were all over the 8600gts/2600xt cards at launch but as a couple of the guys have said you cant really go wrong with either.
Even if you dont have Vista and are still running XP its not as cut and dry as it was a couple of months ago i would have said get a 1950 for DX9 but it really is a close thing depending on what games etc you will be running.
Try to find some recent benchmarks including your favourite games and compare the two card and see if you can come to a logical conclusion.
Mactronix
October 14, 2007 9:25:35 PM

Haven't I been saying this all along mactronix? Now you seem to think other wise and couple others here. There's hope for you yet. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2007 9:56:19 PM

emp said:
I'd go for the X1950Pro obviously if I had to choose, however try paying $20 more and get a far more powerful card:

SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It will pretty much "own" every card but the 8800s and HD2900.

Only problem is its OOS, so no telling if it'll even come back in stock :(  Oh, well there's hope for 2950's!! or 8800gt's
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 14, 2007 10:00:17 PM

marvelous211 said:
Haven't I been saying this all along mactronix? Now you seem to think other wise and couple others here. There's hope for you yet. ;) 

Drop the sarcasm marv the reason i think differrant now is because things have changed the 2600xt and 8600gts couldnt live with the 1950 pro on launch and you know it !
At the time of the posts which you have been harping on about all day there was some driver improvement true but not enough for your claims at the time to be true.
Its obvious from your earlier posts on various threads that your ego is still smarting from having your knowledge proved to be flawed the last time this topic was discussed.
Then you were wrong but now with the driver improvements you are 100% correct.
Mactronix


October 15, 2007 12:43:43 AM

mactronix said:
Drop the sarcasm marv the reason i think differrant now is because things have changed the 2600xt and 8600gts couldnt live with the 1950 pro on launch and you know it !
At the time of the posts which you have been harping on about all day there was some driver improvement true but not enough for your claims at the time to be true.
Its obvious from your earlier posts on various threads that your ego is still smarting from having your knowledge proved to be flawed the last time this topic was discussed.
Then you were wrong but now with the driver improvements you are 100% correct.
Mactronix


Yeah that was like a month a go and I had links backing up my claim. Not when 8600gts was first released. You're telling me drivers suddenly jumped just like that within 4 weeks? Yeah whatever. I've been saying this all along and I've owned both but yeah you and few others were jumping at my throat because I said these cards are comparable. The only thing flawed was your ignorance and your lack of humor. I guess you are hopeless can't admit when you've been proven ignorant. :lol:  Whatever makes you feel like a know it all I guess.
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2007 2:59:13 AM

I remember that nicely fired up thread...
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2007 4:06:57 AM

Wow! Thread has gone NUKE!! Hehehehe
October 15, 2007 4:33:40 AM

Wow, I'm the newb and I brought the skeletons out of the closet... +1 for me :) 

For the record, I'm going with the 8600GTS. Want to have DX10 and I'm not planning on running a super tight resolution..
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2007 4:45:43 AM

I would say go for the 8600GTS from now on because at least you will be able to run DX10 games when they go DX10 only.
October 15, 2007 6:58:57 AM

I call a truce and want to sign MAD. Mutual Assured Destruction. hehe..
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 15, 2007 2:56:37 PM

marvelous211 said:
Yeah that was like a month a go and I had links backing up my claim. Not when 8600gts was first released. You're telling me drivers suddenly jumped just like that within 4 weeks? Yeah whatever. I've been saying this all along and I've owned both but yeah you and few others were jumping at my throat because I said these cards are comparable. and your lack of humor. I guess you are hopeless can't admit when you've been proven ignorant. :lol:  Whatever makes you feel like a know it all I guess.


Same old marv i see never could let it go could you,Oh well you just carry on with your bairley discuised insults with your now trademark"who me, no i was jokeing" smilie at the end.
Just one thing thanks for calling me totally Knowlegable glad you finally worked it out "The only thing flawed was your ignorance" and no sence of humour yea right ive been laughing at you from day one.
Mactronix
October 15, 2007 3:42:04 PM

I suggest waiting a month for the G92 8800GS. The 8800GT performs near the 8800GTX and the 8800GS is to perform just shy of the 8800GTS320. Early report suggest the 8800GS will be between $150~$200 and require 20~22 amp PSU.
October 15, 2007 5:02:12 PM

mactronix said:
Same old marv i see never could let it go could you,Oh well you just carry on with your bairley discuised insults with your now trademark"who me, no i was jokeing" smilie at the end.
Just one thing thanks for calling me totally Knowlegable glad you finally worked it out "The only thing flawed was your ignorance" and no sence of humour yea right ive been laughing at you from day one.
Mactronix


Give it a rest Mactronix. I wasn't even being sarcastic in the beginning but you think I was and your "you were wrong" attitude. That shows me more ignorance on your part. I see you hold grudges over internet piss matches. I'm not out to get you. :pfff: 

It's true you and few others were being ignorant before and now you think it's a comparable card? Why? Because some web site you visit said so written by a guy who can make mistakes like you or me? How much knowledge does he have over us anyway? All I was trying to do was show you some clarity in your ignorance it's all. You know see a different light than follow the leader?
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2007 3:20:49 AM

Both of you just get over it ok?
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2007 5:37:39 AM

Where's the love?????
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 16, 2007 8:34:36 AM

randomizer said:
Both of you just get over it ok?


Oh i would love nothing more randomizer i don't come here for this kind of crap but on the other hand I'm not going to be snipped at and insulted without response.
Check the thread marv dragged it up again i was just responding.
But hey I'm a grown up hands across the water and all that.
What do you say marv its not productive to anybody so we bury this and all the history right here?
Mactronix
October 16, 2007 3:30:09 PM

Responding with you're wrong I am right attitude when I asked you that you acknowledged 8600gts was a comparable card. That pretty much summed it up.

I repeat again. I'm not out to get you. I was over it long time ago. Especially some internet ramblings.
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 16, 2007 3:54:27 PM

marvelous211 said:
Responding with you're wrong I am right attitude when I asked you that you acknowledged 8600gts was a comparable card. That pretty much summed it up.

I repeat again. I'm not out to get you. I was over it long time ago. Especially some internet ramblings.


Oh well i tried just have to keep going dont you tell you what if you wont forget it then at least do the decent thing and PM me about it and stop wasting forum space.
Mactronix
October 17, 2007 2:36:48 PM

Waaaa. Stop your crying. You were corrected of your ignorance.
October 22, 2007 4:36:35 AM

Hey I've been looking at the x1950 for a while now, but what does everyone think about waiting for the new 8800gt/gs and 2950 series?

would appreciate any thoughts...
thanks
!