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August 10, 2007 4:02:11 PM

ASUS 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe and 14X DVD-RAM Write Black SATA Model DRW-1814BLT - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827135145

SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16821103203

Link Depot Floppy UV Cable Model UV-FLP10-SL - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16812104019


Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822136012

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148140


EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130072

Creative 70SB046A00000 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16829102005

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-8500C5 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145033
(2x these, for a total of 4 GB)

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813128046


Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6700 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115027

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835100007

Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835100010
(Just in case I need to re-seat the heatsink.)


ANTEC P182 Aluminum Mid Tower Case Retail Black
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10005325
(I can get this at ZZF for $175.98 shipped. It's $160 at NewEgg + ~$60 for shipping with Fedex because I don't like United Package Smashers.)

Antec 761345-75024-0 120mm Blue LED Case Fan - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835209011

Tagan TG1100-U96 ATX12V / EPS12V 1100 Watts Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817714001


HP Deskjet 6980 C8969A Up to 36 ppm Up to 4800 optimized dpi color and 1200 input dpi InkJet Workgroup Color Printer - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16828104015


Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate DVD - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16832116140


LG 22” Widescreen Monitor (L226WTQBF)
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/LG-22-Widescreen-Monitor-L226WTQBF/sem/rpsm/oid/171870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
($349.99 @ Local Circuit City, but I can take it back if it has any dead or stuck pixels.)


APC 750VA Battery Back-Up System - Model: BE750BB
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/APC-UPS-Surge-Protector-BE750BB/sem/rpsm/oid/98948/catOid/-13011/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
($99.99 at Circuit City. Getting this local because the shipping is like $40 from NewEgg.)


Cost Summary:

ZZF p182 Case w/Fedex 2 Day - $175.98
Circuit City Monitor, tax incl. - $376.24
Circuit City UPS, tax incl. - $107.49
NewEgg Everything Else w/Fedex 3 Day - $3057.53

Total Cost - $3717.24 :whistle: 

Do I need a surge protector also? Outlet -> Surge Protector -> UPS -> System?

Comments, suggestions, tips, etc please. :bounce: 

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August 10, 2007 4:11:15 PM

Wowza that's an expensive system. You would save some money with another PSU you don't really need 1100. I mean you can't run SLI on that motherboard and you don't have a Crossfire card, so why get that beast of a PSU? You can get some thing like a Corsair 620W for the GTX or a 850W PSU for Crossfire and SLI.

As for the Q6700 you can get the Q6600 for less and overclock it to the Q6700 specs without even an aftermarket heatsink. I would suggest the Q6600.

Being that you have an Nvidia graphics card, I don't the see the point of having 2 PCI-E slots, unless you just want other card to run over 2 monitors. P35s only support Crossfire and not SLI.

You should probably get a surge protector since you wanna keep your expensive system as safe as possible.

If you have any questions msg me on aim or yahoo at Maximus9102 :) 
August 10, 2007 4:39:53 PM

From what I've seen the PSU is high quality. I'll probably upgrade next year this time again and the PSU should have enough power to stick around then.

I decided on the Q6700 for the lower wattage (cooler) and to not deal with the hassle of finding a G0 stepping Q6600; I don't care to overclock anything.

As far as the motherboard, it was just what meets my feature list and is highly rated; doubt I can go wrong with a Gigabyte Ultra-Durable.

I'll grab a APC surge protector then at Circuit City while I'm there.
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August 10, 2007 4:53:26 PM

The GIGABYTE GA-P35C-DS3R is pretty much the same thing than, just with one PCI-E x16 slot and costs only $160. It's a great board with many features.

Yeah the PSU you have is great, I'm just saying for your needs it's way more expensive than you'll ever use. But hey your computer ;) .

Good luck with your build!
August 10, 2007 5:05:49 PM

I'm not an expert, but that looks nice. My comments would be the same as everyone else's.

Why pay almost $600 for the Q6700 when you can get an E6850 for half that? You say it's a gaming built and in all current and upcoming games the E6850 will kick the **** out of the Q6700 (especially since the E6850 will overclock to at least 4GHz). That's what I'm doing myself. When games start supporting more than 2 cores in one year's time or so, I'll simply stick in a 4GHz quad and that's it....

I've just spend a great deal of time pondering what PSU to get myself. Originally I was going to go for the Corsair 620, but that doesn't support 2 GTX in SLI, so I went for the Toughpower 850W. I'm not saying you should go for that, but getting an 1100W is pissing away money. If you go to the PSU calculator (I can't find the link right now), you can see that you can easily run an overclocked quad + 2 8800GTX on a 850W PSU. And since AMD and Intel are on a powersaving quest right now, I'm pretty sure the new chips will consume less power, not more.

Just my two pence.
August 10, 2007 5:30:34 PM

I'm a strong multitasker and have my eye on the games that do support over 2 cores.

EV700 said:
Here's a list of games that currently use more than 1 core:

Quote:
This is a list of games with 2.5 threads or more

%u2022 Supreme Commander (THQ/Gas Powered Games)
%u2022 BioShock (2K Games/ Irrational Games)
%u2022 Microsoft Flight Sim X %u2013 (MGS)
%u2022 Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (Ubisoft/ GRIN)
%u2022 Stranglehold (Midway)
%u2022 Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (Activision/ iD/ Splash Damage)
%u2022 Assassin%u2019s Creed (Ubisoft)
%u2022 Warhammer MMORPG (EA/Mythic)
%u2022 Unreal Tournament 3 (Midway)
%u2022 The Witcher (Atari/CD Projekt)
%u2022 Half-Life 2: Episode II (Valve)
%u2022 Tabula Rasa (NC Soft)
%u2022 World in Conflict (Vivendi/Sierra)
%u2022 Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (Gearbox/ Ubisoft)
%u2022 Fury (Auran/Gamecock)
%u2022 Alan Wake (MGS/ Remedy)

http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/board/showthread.php?t=32483

Quote:
* Quake 4 (and Quake 3)
* Call Of Duty 2
* The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
* Unreal Tournament 2007
* Crysis (Far Cry 2)

http://wiki.extremeoverclocking.com/wiki/Multi-Threaded_Games

I'm sure there's more than that... and more to come.


..also Age of Conan uses everything you can throw at it.

I used the calculator (link follows) and came up with like 870w, because I always figure for the worst. I'm keeping the next-gen video cards in mind also.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
August 10, 2007 5:42:33 PM

Get a Q6600 and save some money ,
Also P35 DQ6 is a great DDR2 board , but if u want both DDR2 and DDR3 , u may get ASUS P5KC or GIGABYTE P35C DS3R
August 10, 2007 5:51:10 PM

Did you select Quad Processor by any chance? As in, 4 Q6700 CPUs with 4 cores each for a total of 16 cores?

I think something like PC P&C Silencer 750W would be absolutely plenty and very high quality. That's what I got for a build very much like yours anyway.

Get 2x2GB RAM, not 4x1GB RAM, it avoids some BIOS issues and leaves more room for upgrade.

Agreed with the others about GA-P35C-DS3R and Q6600, they are better value than the DQ6 and Q6700.

Don't get me wrong, I love the P182, but a build like that deserves better. Check out Lian-Li's full tower cases with soundproofed panels, for example.
August 10, 2007 5:51:13 PM

Maziar said:
Get a Q6600 and save some money ,
Also P35 DQ6 is a great DDR2 board , but if u want both DDR2 and DDR3 , u may get ASUS P5KC or GIGABYTE P35C DS3R


I have a feeling that by the time I want DDR3, I'll be replacing the MB anyway for PCI-E 2.0.
August 10, 2007 5:53:52 PM

aevm said:

Don't get me wrong, I love the P182, but a build like that deserves better. Check out Lian-Li's full tower cases with soundproofed panels, for example.


I did check out some of the Lian-Li, but it seems nobody reputable sells the ones I liked. I'll have another look.

Even at twice the price of the E6850, I'm willing to take the 3-8% performance hit in some apps/games to get that 30-33% performance increase in apps/games that take advantage of more than 2 cores.
August 10, 2007 6:02:20 PM

There are rumors that PCI-E2 will be compatible with P35
August 10, 2007 6:12:39 PM

Maziar said:
There are rumors that PCI-E2 will be compatible with P35


Yeah, I'm quite sure that'll require a hardware change to the boards not just a BIOS flash.

The reason I didn't put the GA-P35C-DS3R into scope is because it doesn't have firewire. I guess firewire isn't worth $70 more though, not even sure I'd ever use the firewire.

I switched the DQ6 out for the GA-P35C-DS3R. NewEgg - $2,963.23

I was going to go for the Antec P190 instead of the P182, but read that the 8800 GTX cards don't fit with the 200 mm side fan on the case.

Is it wise to use some type of anti-static gloves when working with the CPU to avoid not only static but oils?

aevm said:

Get 2x2GB RAM, not 4x1GB RAM, it avoids some BIOS issues and leaves more room for upgrade.


What BIOS issues? There's no 2 GB DDR2 sticks on the supported memory list, nor on any memory company website that I've seen.
August 12, 2007 12:46:04 PM

/bump
August 12, 2007 1:11:06 PM

Why not go with a bigger case like the Thermaltake ARMOR or something... gives your nice components much more room to breathe..

Other than that I can understand peoples' arguments to get a Q6600 but if the 67 is what you want, why not, right?

I don't really know what else to say about it, other than that's a damn lot of money... but if you've got it, why not use it on a nice PC :D 

Best of luck with your build, sir.
August 12, 2007 2:34:22 PM

I'd like to have a bigger case... It would be nice if I could find a case with similar features of the p182 from a reputable dealer that is associated with Fedex or offers free shipping. I've looked at the Lian-Li and they look good, but Newegg is the only reputable dealer I've found carrying them and don't care to pay like $60 to get it shipped without being wham'ed-bam'ed-and-thank-you-maam'ed by United Package Smashers. I thought the Armor was liquid cooling? I'm really uneasy about the idea of liquid cooling and don't care to go that route.

I worry about a power supply having long enough cables for the p182.

How would you measure the width of the video card + motherboard/slot + etc to know that the video card wouldn't touch a side panel fan? I don't see any width measurements for the video card anywhere.
August 12, 2007 3:21:36 PM

Check out my build...it's similar to yours but hell of a lot cheaper.

Case: Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Video: EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply - Retail

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail

RAM: 4GB 2x Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AA804 - Retail

Storage: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Sound: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail

Mouse: Logitech G5 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Mouse - Retail

Keyboard: Logitech 967738-0403 Black USB Standard Deluxe 250 Keyboard - OEM

LCD: Acer AL2223Wd Black-Silver 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

Optical: SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black SATA Model SH-S183L - OEM

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM

Cooling: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM, Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler - Retail

Speakers: Logitech X-230 32 Watts 2.1 Black Speakers - Retail

The total comes to $2252.09 on newegg. If I were you I would go with the P35C-DS3R or P35-DS3R motherboard over the one you currently have. Ditch the 1066 RAM because I seriously doubt you will see much performance gain especially if you decide to overclock. It's better to get high performing DDR2 800 (Crucial Ballistix). Also, swap the Q6700 for the Q6600 because the small performance gain is not worth the huge price tag difference. It's easy enough to go into the BIOS and OC it and it will perform better than the current QX6850. Furthermore, the Fatal1ty or whatever the hell is a complete waste of money and you're better off going with the standard XtremeGamer. Also, it looks to me you're going quantity over quality with your PSU...I've never heard of that company before. Go with the Corsair 520HX, which is more than enough for both of our systems, plus it's a modular power supply and very reliable. Wish you luck!
August 12, 2007 7:04:58 PM

Everyone says get a lower wattage power supply, but honestly every time I calculate it on the PSU calculator I come up with 850+ watts needed.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

I'm figuring:

Single Processor
High End Desktop
Q6600
100% CPU Utilization
4 sticks ddr2
single card - 8800 ultra (because who knows what the G92 will be)
3 SATA HDDs (in case I add another one sometime)
DVD RW / Floppy
PCI NIC (in case the onboard LAN is lame)
SB all models
4 USB devices (besides mouse & keyboard)
Fan Controller
Front Bay Card Reader (in case I get one)
5 - 120 mm fans
100% system load
50% Capacitor Aging, because I'll probably keep it for over 2 years running mostly 24/7.

Have to consider G92 upgrades mainly.

I'll look around for some high end 850w. Any recommendations?
August 12, 2007 10:30:36 PM

Could someone verify that I won't need over a 850 watt PSU, even with some future upgrades.

nm, I don't see the point.. because for $250 I can get a Silverstone ST1000 1000 watt and it's listed as a Tier 1 brand/model here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088. That shaves $50 off my tab; it's also modular cabling.. now I just need to make sure the cables are long enough for whatever case I decide on.

Silverstone ST1000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256020
August 13, 2007 2:24:54 PM

Get a 8800GTX instead
August 13, 2007 4:19:21 PM

Maziar said:
Get a 8800GTX instead


Yeah, I am planning on getting a 8800 GTX but figured for Ultra because I may upgrade to the G92 (aka 9800 GTX) later.

Any suggestions on cases from anyone?

I am looking for something that I can get free shipping on or get shipped Fedex without paying a lot for it. ZipZoomFly is the online retailer of my choice for cases because they usually provide free 3-5 day Fedex shipping and you can get that bumped up to 2nd day Fedex for like 30 bucks. Anything but United Package Smashers; the last case I ordered and had shipped United Package Smashers had the side panel bent in so badly that it would have taken a good deal of force even after a rubber mallet to open it.
August 13, 2007 4:36:30 PM

I see a nice system, but somehow a lot of wasted money. a 8800GTX SLI based gaming system shouldn't go for more than $2500-2700 or so with a screen. BTW if you're going to circuit city do yourself a favor and buy the heavy things there (like printers), because you're taking a big hit on your wallet on shipping.

Also do yourself a favor and look around Fry's or something similar for cases, those too puncture your wallet when it comes to shipping.
August 13, 2007 6:05:44 PM

Hmmm, UPS delivers to me without issue; Fed-Ex can't seem to find my house. Oh well.
Why bother with a floppy in a gaming build?
I'll go along with the crowd on the PSU too; 1100 is a monster.

For gaming, and for the Creative sound card, get Windows XP; it works; although Vista apparently has the first round of fixes out.
August 13, 2007 9:59:42 PM

emp said:
I see a nice system, but somehow a lot of wasted money. a 8800GTX SLI based gaming system shouldn't go for more than $2500-2700 or so with a screen. BTW if you're going to circuit city do yourself a favor and buy the heavy things there (like printers), because you're taking a big hit on your wallet on shipping.

Also do yourself a favor and look around Fry's or something similar for cases, those too puncture your wallet when it comes to shipping.


I've been cutting a little here and there and got the total under $3000 now; I cut the PSU down, changed to Crucial Ballistix as recommended, changed the motherboard as recommended and some other small things.

I've always wanted to go to a Frys, but none anywhere near where I live; who do they use for shipping? I'd like to buy a printer at a local store to save on shipping, but they don't carry the model I have listed there (HP Deskjet 6980) nor the related model (HP Deskjet 6940); I guess I'll have a look at what they do have in stock and see if I can find something I like and try to look up some reviews on it. I did see an Antec 900 at BestBuy while I was there and some others, but they had no full towers; I didn't find any cases at Circuit City.

I still need some case suggestions.. :heink: 
August 13, 2007 10:04:47 PM

Onus said:
Hmmm, UPS delivers to me without issue; Fed-Ex can't seem to find my house. Oh well.
Why bother with a floppy in a gaming build?
I'll go along with the crowd on the PSU too; 1100 is a monster.

For gaming, and for the Creative sound card, get Windows XP; it works; although Vista apparently has the first round of fixes out.


The floppy is a just-in-caser; I may not even put it in, unless I need it some day for flashing or something.

About Vista, I'm very comfortable with my decision on Vista at this point.. a lot of what people say about Vista is just flat wrong and a lot of the real problems have very very simple work-a-rounds or minor configuration needs. I've been heavy in research with Vista since last October; I'm ready.
August 13, 2007 10:07:32 PM

Printers to be honest aren't really THAT important in this day and age, Hell... I've seen decent printers worth about as much as the ink cartridge...

another thing I see you're wasting a lot of money is the raptor, that's a dumb way to waste $200, use it to buy GAMES or mail it to me, i'll put it to good use. Lose the Vista Ultimate DVD and get Home Premium, you won't miss ANY of the features and just saved another $100. Also lose the floppy and the sound card and there's another $150 saved.

Buy these if you don't have:

SENNHEISER HD201 3.5mm w/ Adapter to 1/4" (6.3 mm) Connector Circumaural Closed Back Headphone - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826106455&Tpk=sennheiser%2bhd201

I just trimmed $450 from your original list without losing performance, there's more to be done, but Im a bit lazy :p 

EDIT: Lose the Q6700 and go for the Q6600 if you need a quad, you probably won't be able to get it to 100% usage anyway.

There, just saved you over $700 without a performance loss.
August 13, 2007 10:27:35 PM

emp said:
Printers to be honest aren't really THAT important in this day and age, Hell... I've seen decent printers worth about as much as the ink cartridge...

another thing I see you're wasting a lot of money is the raptor, that's a dumb way to waste $200, use it to buy GAMES or mail it to me, i'll put it to good use. Lose the Vista Ultimate DVD and get Home Premium, you won't miss ANY of the features and just saved another $100. Also lose the floppy and the sound card and there's another $150 saved.

Buy these if you don't have:

SENNHEISER HD201 3.5mm w/ Adapter to 1/4" (6.3 mm) Connector Circumaural Closed Back Headphone - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826106455&Tpk=sennheiser%2bhd201

I just trimmed $450 from your original list without losing performance, there's more to be done, but Im a bit lazy :p 

EDIT: Lose the Q6700 and go for the Q6600 if you need a quad, you probably won't be able to get it to 100% usage anyway.

There, just saved you over $700 without a performance loss.


Raptors clearly show performance superiority. Last I read, Vista Ultimate was a lot more flexible and privileged on licensing terms; that's why I chose it, but I will go back and read over them again and make the change to Home Premium if the terms are the same. I have always and will continue to refuse on-board sound, it's just usually too many issues and not enough features; I have thoroughly researched that sound card in terms of Vista. The Q6700 stays because I'm not dealing with the headaches of tracking a G0 Q6600 down and I'll most likely be using the Q6700 and needing more.

I already have a Sennheiser set; I think it's PC155; they're great.
August 13, 2007 10:48:08 PM

Oh well... I'd try to refute some stuff, but Im really pissy because of problems with my network so I can't be bothered, I just see about $1000 going down the drain on that original list, tried to warn you. Hope you don't get remorse afterwards.
August 14, 2007 12:08:57 AM

Jeez, what a waste of money.........
The AMD 5200= runs @2.6GHz for a whole lot less $
The 6000 runs @3GHz for as bit more than the 5200.
Lexmark 4470 has copy, scan, fax, print and sells for $80 at wallyworld.
Why are you using 2 different HDD's..?
XP Pro SP2 rocks, Vista requires 2Gigs of RAM just for the desktop...
A 19" monitor would save you $150...
2 EVGA 8800 GTS 320MB in SLI will smoke a GTX...
The onboard 5.1 sound that a quality mobo has is more than sufficient..
I would prefer a ASUS for AMD or EVGA for Intel mobo..
As "EV700" so graciously pointed out, there are only a handul of games that utilize more than 1 core so a dual-core CPU will serve you well, it's your money, drop it like it's hot.......
August 14, 2007 2:26:46 AM

mad-dog said:
Jeez, what a waste of money.........
The AMD 5200= runs @2.6GHz for a whole lot less $
The 6000 runs @3GHz for as bit more than the 5200.
Lexmark 4470 has copy, scan, fax, print and sells for $80 at wallyworld.
Why are you using 2 different HDD's..?
XP Pro SP2 rocks, Vista requires 2Gigs of RAM just for the desktop...
A 19" monitor would save you $150...
2 EVGA 8800 GTS 320MB in SLI will smoke a GTX...
The onboard 5.1 sound that a quality mobo has is more than sufficient..
I would prefer a ASUS for AMD or EVGA for Intel mobo..
As "EV700" so graciously pointed out, there are only a handul of games that utilize more than 1 core so a dual-core CPU will serve you well, it's your money, drop it like it's hot.......


That's why AMD is so low on the benchmarks?
See above line.
I don't like a printer requiring problematic software.
Storage.
You have no idea, much like the rest of the idiots who bash Vista. Learn to program; it will give you a whole new respect.
I might want a 22" monitor?
Show me a motherboard that will take full advantage of 2 8800 GTS in SLI that doesn't have 1000 problems; BTW, 5.66% performance increase is smoking?
No EAX. Interference. Countless problems.
Brand opinions were respected 10 years ago; now it just says you don't have a clue most of the time.
Handful? THE RTS to be played by millions? THE next-gen MMO? There's at least twice as many than are on that list.

You just delivered 9 pointless bashes and only one valid observation. Efficient aren't you. Furthermore and mainly pointed, it's not your money. I don't jump on you every time you don't bargain shop; it's not my business.
August 14, 2007 2:29:42 AM

emp said:
Oh well... I'd try to refute some stuff, but Im really pissy because of problems with my network so I can't be bothered, I just see about $1000 going down the drain on that original list, tried to warn you. Hope you don't get remorse afterwards.


Yeah, I've shaved $1000ish off it. :lol: 

emp said:
Lose the Vista Ultimate DVD and get Home Premium, you won't miss ANY of the features and just saved another $100.


I would. Vista Ultimate includes the complete backup; it's built right in with little over head and a third party product to do what it does would be $50-70 anyway. I did however do a complete character-to-character comparison of the Home Premium and Ultimate licensing and found out they are the exact same.
August 14, 2007 4:48:16 PM

System Status Update:

ASUS Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 14X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827135146

SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16821103203

Link Depot Floppy UV Cable Model UV-FLP10-SL - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16812104019


<Insert Hard Drives>


EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130072

Creative 70SB046A00000 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16829102005

2 x Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050


Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6700 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115027

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835100007

Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835100010
(Just in case I need to re-seat the heatsink.)


<Insert Case & Case Additions Here>


SILVERSTONE ST1000 ATX12V / EPS12V 1000W Power Supply 100 - 240 V RoHS, CE, FCC - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256020


<Insert Printer Here>


Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate DVD - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16832116140


Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16823126179


LG 22%u201D Widescreen Monitor (L226WTQBF)
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/LG-22-Widescreen-Monitor-L226WTQBF/sem/rpsm/oid/171870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
($329.99 @ Local Circuit City, but I can take it back if it has any dead or stuck pixels.)

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Circuit City - Monitor w/tax: $352.26
Newegg Other Stuff w/2nd Day Fedex: $1,828.44

Total without HDs, Mouse, Printer and Case: $2180.70

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Hard Drives: Still thinking about what size I really need and if I want to ditch the Raptor or not to save more money. I plan on using the Vista Ultimate Complete PC Backup imaging.

Mouse: I have my eye on the Logitech G9, but not sure where to buy it yet.

Printer: I'm looking at the Cannon All-In-Ones because I have not found anything stating that the software is a requirement and the drivers on their site is a separate download from the software. I just know that HP is massively horrid about required bulky and buggy software with an insane amount of problems.

Case: This is pretty much still a blank; Full-tower would probably be nice, but as I stated previously I would like free shipping or low cost shipping but it has to be Fedex.

I'll probably want to get a set of 2.1 or 2.0 speakers also, but will probably just pick those up at wallyworld.
August 14, 2007 9:52:54 PM

Unless money is REALLY not an issue (in which it should be), I seriously suggest ditching the Q6700 for the 6600.
Your PSU is also overkill. Ditch it for the Corsair 520HX, but if you want to go the safe route then 620HX but either will serve you well. Also, go with the X-Fi XtremeGamer over the Fatal1ty (lamest name for a card ever) and save an addition $50 as I've heard there is very little difference between the two cards. Also, why in the world would you buy the retail OS over the OEM version if you intend to install on one configuration (which is what I'm guessing with your build)?! Also, I've heard Ultimate is totally unnessesary and even includes bloatware that may slow down your system so go with Home Premium OEM and save $200.
August 14, 2007 10:15:09 PM

Also, how on earth are you getting $2180.70 as your grand total for all of your items? Looking at your configuration, you've used a lot of more expensive (and IMO, wasteful) parts than I did in my Q6600/8800GTX build and I'm spending $2232 if I order all parts on newegg. I added all of your current prices together and I'm getting well over $2500 and that doesn't include your case, mouse ($100 G9 is a major WASTE, IMO), HD's, and printer. Also, I highly suggest you purchase an alternate CPU cooler to replace the standard HSF, even if you don't plan on OCing because it's a piece of crap. You should definitely re-think your math and parts.
August 15, 2007 12:10:53 AM

asdftt123 said:
Also, how on earth are you getting $2180.70 as your grand total for all of your items? Looking at your configuration, you've used a lot of more expensive (and IMO, wasteful) parts than I did in my Q6600/8800GTX build and I'm spending $2232 if I order all parts on newegg. I added all of your current prices together and I'm getting well over $2500 and that doesn't include your case, mouse ($100 G9 is a major WASTE, IMO), HD's, and printer. Also, I highly suggest you purchase an alternate CPU cooler to replace the standard HSF, even if you don't plan on OCing because it's a piece of crap. You should definitely re-think your math and parts.


LOL, you're claiming Newegg's checkout cart math is wrong.

The G9 isn't a waste when you're buying it for thumb support.

Show me a HSF that isn't flimsy or breaks something on install, can actually fit on common motherboards and is actually worth the price/performance ratio.

asdftt123 said:
Unless money is REALLY not an issue (in which it should be), I seriously suggest ditching the Q6700 for the 6600.
Your PSU is also overkill. Ditch it for the Corsair 520HX, but if you want to go the safe route then 620HX but either will serve you well. Also, go with the X-Fi XtremeGamer over the Fatal1ty (lamest name for a card ever) and save an addition $50 as I've heard there is very little difference between the two cards. Also, why in the world would you buy the retail OS over the OEM version if you intend to install on one configuration (which is what I'm guessing with your build)?! Also, I've heard Ultimate is totally unnessesary and even includes bloatware that may slow down your system so go with Home Premium OEM and save $200.


LOL, you're clueless. Money isn't an issue really; again, not your money. Do a PSU calculation with a 24/7 operation over 2 years with expansion room, then buy a vowel. You'd know the Fata1ity Pro is the niche if you ever read anything besides Vista flames. Retail OS? Yeah, I don't care to have to speak to a representative every time I fart. Ultimate? Yeah, you didn't even read this post before jumping the gun. Dictionary? Clue? Shopped this year?

Would you attack a boulder? :D 
August 15, 2007 1:03:25 AM

Did I ever say I doubted newegg's shopping cart totals? The only thing I doubt after seeing this is your competence...

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWish... ?WishListNumber=5518951

Maybe it's you who can't read your own shopping cart, let alone numbers. I wasn't here initially to attack your build, but like everyone else here I was here to offer you some criticism. Don't take it the wrong way. I'm sorry for doubting your billionaire status, but considering you can easily save hundreds from this build by sacrificing *maybe* 4-10% performance, I'd say it's worth it. Oh BTW, should I even mention that you can easily make up that loss by five-fold from purchasing a $60 cooler? -_-

You're proving your own incompetence even further by claiming current air CPU coolers as being flimsy, breaking upon installation, or doubting the fit on mobos. Maybe if you do some simple research or take the precautions to put together the parts you could reap the benefits of an easy 30-75% performance gain from such a *hideous* HSF.

Go ahead and process your payment for all I care, and add a few Raptors to your build since you have no concern for your money. I mean, why even *consider* saving yourself a few hundred bucks? You're absolutely right, I have absolutely no say on how you spend your money so please, knock yourself out.
August 15, 2007 1:08:31 AM

BTW, in regards to your PSU, I'm willing to bet the Corsair 520HX or equivalent will be able to handle your entire build and more with the 620 version to be safe, saving your $150+. Everyone on these boards know of the quality of Corsair PSU's. Don't rely on the Wattage calculations completely because quality > quantity. But what do I know? I'm just the newbie on these forums. -_-
August 15, 2007 1:34:01 AM

asdftt123 said:
BTW, in regards to your PSU, I'm willing to bet the Corsair 520HX or equivalent will be able to handle your entire build and more with the 620 version to be safe, saving your $150+. Everyone on these boards know of the quality of Corsair PSU's. Don't rely on the Wattage calculations completely because quality > quantity. But what do I know? I'm just the newbie on these forums. -_-


Looks like you're new to all forums, since you don't know BB code.

I don't doubt the quality of Corsair, it's tier 2.

'Yeah, let's get a 520 watt.. 620 would definitely be a enough!'



+ 15% = 838 watts
August 15, 2007 1:39:51 AM

asdftt123, relax man I already tried to warn him, it is clear for most of us how good this is turning out. I mean a single GTX build shouldn't go over $1500-1700 with screen... But hey... what do we really know...
August 15, 2007 1:49:18 AM

As you proclaim to want to game? Why not an SLI board and two 8800GTX? I fear you will NOT be satisfied with just one...., food for thought, you'll get at least 17000+ 3Dmark06 and 90% of games will run max dawgs bawls..., all other arguments are irrelevent ;) 
August 15, 2007 2:05:34 AM

emp said:
asdftt123, relax man I already tried to warn him, it is clear for most of us how good this is turning out. I mean a single GTX build shouldn't go over $1500-1700 with screen... But hey... what do we really know...


I'd like to see you pull that off with quality. No, the Q6600 hella-hot frankenstein isn't quality, so you'd have to show some proof of adequate temperatures or go with a Q6700. So, we'll say $1800-2000?

I apologize for being a jerk, please educate me.
August 15, 2007 2:21:33 AM

(2 of these) Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-T1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, ULC, CE, CB, RoHS - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(SL I 2 of these) EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... k= tuniq%2btower%2b120

Total = $2235 before rebates
Rebates = $160
Total after rebates = $2075 + Shipping

Didn't put a screen, but I put SLI GTX, which is something that needs to be seriously considered on a $2K+ build.

Proof of how good the Tuniq Tower 120 is (Taken from Anandtech.com article about the tuniq Tower 120)





Link here to the whole article: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2906&p=1

And a good screen:

SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22" 2 ms (GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1(DC 3000:1) - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... k=226BW
August 15, 2007 2:38:22 AM

I originally intended on buying the Samsung 226BW, but found out that there are 4 versions of it and 2 versions completely suck, one is OK and one is excellent; there's no apparent way of knowing which version you get.

The 680 chipset has major issues with 4 sticks of ram. I need 2 hard drives, one for backups.

Would a 750 watt PSU remotely support 2 8800 GTX?

The main thing I worry about with PSUs is the degradation; this is going to be a 24/7 system.
August 15, 2007 3:06:21 AM

This is a PC Power & Cooling PSU, simply the best quality. If you REALLY need more then, get the PC Power & Cooling TurboCool 1KW. But the Silencer 750 is better than many 800-1kW units out there. If you need a second hard drive, then buy 2 caviars instead of one... Raptors are NOT worth it, unless you're doing some heavy video/photo editing.

OCZ 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mos t of your problems have easy workarounds or answers without wasting insane amounts of money, I don't doubt that you may have more than enough to treat yourself, but think about it this way. The least money you waste now, the more you can put toward your next build...
August 15, 2007 3:16:45 AM

I think that I stand corrected with the Tuniq Tower.

I have to get some sleep right now, but I'll be on this again tomorrow to sort more out.

I think I may just go with the Antec 900 because the local BestBuy has them and that'd save shipping; I'll have to check on their prices though.
August 15, 2007 1:23:26 PM

Sort by lowest rating here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001

That's why I originally wanted to avoid after market HSFs. According to that the Tuniq Tower's screws have the heads barely pieced together and installing it is a slippery mess with the added possibility of fins popping apart.

The Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme is better cooling, but it has many issues also; including bent heatsinks, unfinished heatsink contact area, very heavy and unsecured mounting.
August 15, 2007 3:10:08 PM

Any aftermarket HSF is difficult to install for someone who clearly doesn't know what they are doing and can't be bothered to follow instructions. Honestly, you can't judge a product by newegg reviews, because they are usually people not knowledgeable/experienced enough to know what they are talking about.
August 15, 2007 3:34:51 PM

I want to know if I could stick a side panel fan in the Antec 900 and have good clearance for the 8800 GTX.

I'm going to go with the PCP&C 750 and the two WD 320 drives.

I think I'll go with the Antec 900 and put an optional fan on the bottom 3-in-1 chamber for cooling.

If I did want to eliminate the floppy drive, how would flashing the BIOS be handled if it was ever needed?
August 15, 2007 4:05:47 PM

Just a quick note the Antec P190 is bigger than a P182. It will fit anything you put in it. It also comes with a 1100W PSU.
August 15, 2007 4:13:33 PM

The Antec P190 does NOT come with a 1100W PSUs, it comes with dual PSUs, not a really appealing design in my opinion. And on top of that it is about $400, Im not one to bash antec very often, but if you're planning to spend $400 on a case (as retarded as it sounds, it happens) then go for a Lian-Li case instead.

BIOS flashing can be done through windows, you download the executable from the Mobo manufacturer's site and then run it on windows, plain and simple. If anything, I'd say it's safer to flash the BIOS from the HDD than from a floppy.

In all honesty, if you look at the screenshots of the Antec 900 you'll see that it has fans everywhere, I don't think you'll have ANY cooling issues, but if you need to "ghetto-mod" your case, then do it, there's room for it.
August 15, 2007 4:29:05 PM

I know the P190 has 2 PSUs. And the design is rubbish. It has a 650W PSU and a 550W PSU. So its actually 1200W I made a mistake. The second 550W PSU only has connectors for drives and other low power crap. So that its almost useless. But earlier on in the post the OP said it wouldnt fit a 8800GTX but it does. He also wanted a 1000W PSU. So the Antec P190 covers both bases. Its down to him to do the research on wether it fits his needs. I think its rubbish but thats my opinion so its down to him decide if he likes it. Its not my money.
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