7600GT 256Mb DDR2 AGP vs ATi X1650Pro DDR3

[skyline0511]

Guys can you tell me which card is better in terms of raw performance for my nearly extinct AGP 4x system. Please note that the 7600GT is a DDR2 version not DDR3 and its made by Point Of View. Thanks

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127243

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127666

 

[Maziar]

both are good , check the charts for more info :
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html

 

[albenza]

From what I hear the GDDR3 version is far superior to the DDR2, I was told in another topic to avoid the DDR2 for my AGP - However I am looking for a GPU for my AGP 8X, not sure how much difference that makes.

 

[skyline0511]

Earlier on before I posted this, was looking at the charts but I coudn't make it up that's why I created a thread lol. I know 7600GT DDR3 IS faster than x1650Pro but this time around the 7600GT is only ddr2. For example this chart below the 7600GT is faster by 11.8 frames per second, but what about the 7600GT's ddr2 version? Do you know much performance penalty will it lose?

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=717&model2=735&chart=286

 

[cleeve]

The DDR2 version is TERRIBLE compared to the DDR3 version.

DDR2 7600 GTs run their memory at 7600 GS speeds... MUCH slower.
The amount of memory has very little impact, but the memory speed has a colossal impact in gaming performance.

Go DDR3 or nothing if you're getting a 7600 GT.

 

[starcraftfanatic]

ITS NOT A GT, Its a 7600GS, not a 7600 GT, of course its ddr2, all GT's are ddr3, the GS is going to be slower

 

[cleeve]

Some DDR2 cards with 512mb are branded as GTs.

 

[skyline0511]

ITS NOT A GT, Its a 7600GS, not a 7600 GT, of course its ddr2, all GT's are ddr3, the GS is going to be slower

Lol, I made a mistake. Please ignore the link I have posted above. I will change it now. lol

This is the right one

7600GT 256Mb DDR2 by Point Of View
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127243

7600GT 256Mb DDR3 by Leadtek - Unfortunately, its out of stock
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118116

Do you know much performance penalty will it lose compared to the DDR3 version? Because the DDR2 version is not on the comparison chart and I really need to make up my mind. A 7600GT 256 DDR2 or a X1650Pro 256 DDR3. Thanks

 

[cleeve]

The 7600 GT will take a COLOSASAL performance penalty if it's got DDR2.

Get either the DDR3 version of the 7600 GT DDR3. The X1650 PRO isn't nearly as fast as the 7600 GT.

The X1650 XT is about as fast as the 7600 GT DDR3.

 

[skyline0511]

7600GT 256Mb DDR3 by Leadtek - Unfortunately, its out of stock

Come on guys, you still haven't answered my question. lol So which one to choose? 7600GT DDR2? or X1650 Pro DDR3?

 

[Maziar]

x1650 pro is better i think because of ddr3 ,

 

[cleeve]

NO. The X1650 PRO is NOT better.



I did answer your question:

"The X1650 PRO isn't nearly as fast as the 7600 GT."

 

[KyleSTL]

Just for the sake of argument (and believe me, I don't have the answers): What is the system configuration?

This could bring up a multitude of questions:
Will this GPU be bottlenecked by AGP 4x?
Will it be bottlenecked by the CPU?
How much GPU power is needed?
Are either/both of these overkill?
Is it not even worth upgrading?

I think you're addressing the wrong issues.

 

[KyleSTL]

Just as a reference, skyline, I found another very similar post.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244386-33-sapphire-x800xt-vivo

 

[skyline0511]

I have a P4 1.8Ghz, 768Mb of SDRAM (1*512 and 1*256) a socket 478 mobo (ntel Brookdale i845 chipset) with up to 4x AGP bus, 400Watt power supply, 40Gb IDE HD and a dead Geforce4 4600Ti.

Currently, Im on a GFX that came with it which is Geforce 2 MX 400. lol How crap is that! I was able to play games fluidly with my dead Ti4600. CS:source @ 1280*800 res and I wanted to replace the MX. I don't wanna but a new pc YET. I want to squeeze a bit out of if if you know what I mean.

For power, I think it is sufficient as they are not the most demanding GFX that consumes >100Watt power. And I think its worth of an upgrade from a dead Verto Geforce4 Ti4600.

"I think you're addressing the wrong issues."
Yes I know what I'm doing, its just a simple upgrade

 

[skyline0511]

Just as a reference, skyline, I found another very similar post.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244386-33-sapphire-x800xt-vivo

Well, at the end of the thread, they recommended a x1950Pro which is I don't need and I don't wanna spend more, plus it will be bottlenecked by my processor.

Well I've decided to just go ahead with x1650 Pro. Thanks for the help anyways

 

[skyline0511]

NO. The X1650 PRO is NOT better.



I did answer your question:

"The X1650 PRO isn't nearly as fast as the 7600 GT."

No you didn't, give me some proof that a 7600GT ddr2 version NOT DDR3 beats a x1650Pro DDR3

 

[cleeve]

1.8 GHz?

Wow, that's pretty slow. Definitely don't go higher than a 7600 GT or X1650 XT.

The 7600 GS and X1650 PRO might be a better fit.

 

[cleeve]

No you didn't, give me some proof that a 7600GT ddr2 version NOT DDR3 beats a x1650Pro DDR3

Yes I did. Read the thread.

And for the record, you didn't ask for proof until right now. You want proof, google some benchmarks.

 

[skyline0511]

I did googled some benchmarks but i can only find a 7600GS compared to a x1600Pro, and a x1650Pro is faster than x1600Pro obviously.

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=Articles&go=read&arc_id=116

But I couldn't made up my mind on which is faster. I can't just order two cards, benchmark it, then return the slower one. But really it's ok now as I have decided to buy a x1650Pro.

 

[cleeve]

Too bad. It's alot slower than a 7600 GT.


For reference:

The X1650 PRO is a rebranded X1600 XT. These are about the same speed as the 7600 GS.

The 7600 GT is notably faster than all 3 of these cards.

The X1650 XT is about the same speed as the 7600 GT.

 

[cleeve]

Am I the only one who knows how to use Google?

http://www.techspot.com/review/24-radeon-x1650pro-vs-geforce-7600gs/page2.html

 

[skyline0511]

I did remember you said this

The DDR2 version is TERRIBLE compared to the DDR3 version.

DDR2 7600 GTs run their memory at 7600 GS speeds... MUCH slower.
The amount of memory has very little impact, but the memory speed has a colossal impact in gaming performance.
.

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Too bad. It's alot slower than a 7600 GT.
For reference:

The X1650 XT is about the same speed as the 7600 GT.

So an x1650 Pro is about the same speed as the 7600 GT DDR2?

and remember we are talking about the ddr2 version. I think your mind is stuck with the DDR3 version. Savvy? :lol:

 

[KyleSTL]

Skyline, I'm kinda in the same situation as you. Look at my computer specs. I needed to upgrade my vid card and wanted something decently faster than my FX 5200. I ordered a 7600GS and I believe that is a resonable upgrade for me. It is actually at my house right now (UPS delivered it today). If you want me to I could send you some numbers when I get it installed. I think anything in the 7600 series is powerful enough to keep up with (if not exceed) the rest of your computer. Just don't spend too much on something that may have minimal return. Especially nit-picking about what ram the card has and whether or not it will effect the performance.

BTW, what games do you play?

 

[skyline0511]

I mostly play RPG's and FPS games mainly using LAN and sometimes over the net. Yeah send me the numbers please and thanks for the update. I knew that buying an x1950Pro is a bit too much for a simple upgrade so I decided to settle with just the two of them 7600GT DDR2 and an x1650Pro and I won't be playing at max quality (so called eye candy) as I just need to get playing and remove my annoying GF2 MX 400 lol. 4600Ti was fine so I think the x1650Pro will help a bit more for a reasonable amount of money.