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7600GT 256Mb DDR2 AGP vs ATi X1650Pro DDR3

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August 23, 2007 10:04:10 AM

Guys can you tell me which card is better in terms of raw performance for my nearly extinct AGP 4x system. Please note that the 7600GT is a DDR2 version not DDR3 and its made by Point Of View. Thanks

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127243

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127666
August 23, 2007 10:42:16 AM

From what I hear the GDDR3 version is far superior to the DDR2, I was told in another topic to avoid the DDR2 for my AGP - However I am looking for a GPU for my AGP 8X, not sure how much difference that makes.
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August 23, 2007 10:54:05 AM

Earlier on before I posted this, was looking at the charts but I coudn't make it up that's why I created a thread lol. I know 7600GT DDR3 IS faster than x1650Pro but this time around the 7600GT is only ddr2. For example this chart below the 7600GT is faster by 11.8 frames per second, but what about the 7600GT's ddr2 version? Do you know much performance penalty will it lose?

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...
August 23, 2007 2:39:21 PM

The DDR2 version is TERRIBLE compared to the DDR3 version.

DDR2 7600 GTs run their memory at 7600 GS speeds... MUCH slower.
The amount of memory has very little impact, but the memory speed has a colossal impact in gaming performance.

Go DDR3 or nothing if you're getting a 7600 GT.
August 23, 2007 3:25:44 PM

ITS NOT A GT, Its a 7600GS, not a 7600 GT, of course its ddr2, all GT's are ddr3, the GS is going to be slower
August 23, 2007 4:32:33 PM

Some DDR2 cards with 512mb are branded as GTs.
August 23, 2007 4:43:56 PM

starcraftfanatic said:
ITS NOT A GT, Its a 7600GS, not a 7600 GT, of course its ddr2, all GT's are ddr3, the GS is going to be slower


Lol, I made a mistake. Please ignore the link I have posted above. I will change it now. lol

This is the right one

7600GT 256Mb DDR2 by Point Of View
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127243

7600GT 256Mb DDR3 by Leadtek - Unfortunately, its out of stock
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118116

Do you know much performance penalty will it lose compared to the DDR3 version? Because the DDR2 version is not on the comparison chart and I really need to make up my mind. A 7600GT 256 DDR2 or a X1650Pro 256 DDR3. Thanks
August 23, 2007 6:28:03 PM

The 7600 GT will take a COLOSASAL performance penalty if it's got DDR2.

Get either the DDR3 version of the 7600 GT DDR3. The X1650 PRO isn't nearly as fast as the 7600 GT.

The X1650 XT is about as fast as the 7600 GT DDR3.
August 23, 2007 7:09:57 PM

skyline0511 said:

7600GT 256Mb DDR3 by Leadtek - Unfortunately, its out of stock


Come on guys, you still haven't answered my question. lol So which one to choose? 7600GT DDR2? or X1650 Pro DDR3? :bounce: 
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August 23, 2007 7:24:06 PM

x1650 pro is better i think because of ddr3 ,
August 23, 2007 7:37:25 PM

NO. The X1650 PRO is NOT better.



I did answer your question:

"The X1650 PRO isn't nearly as fast as the 7600 GT."

August 23, 2007 8:19:49 PM

Just for the sake of argument (and believe me, I don't have the answers): What is the system configuration?

This could bring up a multitude of questions:
Will this GPU be bottlenecked by AGP 4x?
Will it be bottlenecked by the CPU?
How much GPU power is needed?
Are either/both of these overkill?
Is it not even worth upgrading?

I think you're addressing the wrong issues.
August 23, 2007 9:08:21 PM

I have a P4 1.8Ghz, 768Mb of SDRAM (1*512 and 1*256) a socket 478 mobo (ntel Brookdale i845 chipset) with up to 4x AGP bus, 400Watt power supply, 40Gb IDE HD and a dead Geforce4 4600Ti.

Currently, Im on a GFX that came with it which is Geforce 2 MX 400. lol How crap is that! I was able to play games fluidly with my dead Ti4600. CS:source @ 1280*800 res and I wanted to replace the MX. I don't wanna but a new pc YET. I want to squeeze a bit out of if if you know what I mean.

For power, I think it is sufficient as they are not the most demanding GFX that consumes >100Watt power. And I think its worth of an upgrade from a dead Verto Geforce4 Ti4600.

"I think you're addressing the wrong issues."
Yes I know what I'm doing, its just a simple upgrade
August 23, 2007 9:12:19 PM

KyleSTL said:
Just as a reference, skyline, I found another very similar post.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244386-33-sapphire-x8...



Well, at the end of the thread, they recommended a x1950Pro which is I don't need and I don't wanna spend more, plus it will be bottlenecked by my processor.

Well I've decided to just go ahead with x1650 Pro. Thanks for the help anyways ;) 
August 23, 2007 9:19:58 PM

cleeve said:
NO. The X1650 PRO is NOT better.



I did answer your question:

"The X1650 PRO isn't nearly as fast as the 7600 GT."



No you didn't, give me some proof that a 7600GT ddr2 version NOT DDR3 beats a x1650Pro DDR3
August 23, 2007 9:20:32 PM

1.8 GHz?

Wow, that's pretty slow. Definitely don't go higher than a 7600 GT or X1650 XT.

The 7600 GS and X1650 PRO might be a better fit.

August 23, 2007 9:21:55 PM

skyline0511 said:
No you didn't, give me some proof that a 7600GT ddr2 version NOT DDR3 beats a x1650Pro DDR3


Yes I did. Read the thread.

And for the record, you didn't ask for proof until right now. You want proof, google some benchmarks.
August 23, 2007 9:31:41 PM

I did googled some benchmarks but i can only find a 7600GS compared to a x1600Pro, and a x1650Pro is faster than x1600Pro obviously.

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=Articles&go=read&arc...

But I couldn't made up my mind on which is faster. I can't just order two cards, benchmark it, then return the slower one. But really it's ok now as I have decided to buy a x1650Pro. :)  :whistle:  :bounce: 
August 23, 2007 9:32:43 PM

Too bad. It's alot slower than a 7600 GT.


For reference:

The X1650 PRO is a rebranded X1600 XT. These are about the same speed as the 7600 GS.

The 7600 GT is notably faster than all 3 of these cards.

The X1650 XT is about the same speed as the 7600 GT.

August 23, 2007 9:41:05 PM

I did remember you said this
cleeve said:
The DDR2 version is TERRIBLE compared to the DDR3 version.

DDR2 7600 GTs run their memory at 7600 GS speeds... MUCH slower.
The amount of memory has very little impact, but the memory speed has a colossal impact in gaming performance.
.



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cleeve said:
Too bad. It's alot slower than a 7600 GT.
For reference:

The X1650 XT is about the same speed as the 7600 GT.


So an x1650 Pro is about the same speed as the 7600 GT DDR2?

and remember we are talking about the ddr2 version. I think your mind is stuck with the DDR3 version. Savvy? :lol: 

August 23, 2007 9:46:48 PM

Skyline, I'm kinda in the same situation as you. Look at my computer specs. I needed to upgrade my vid card and wanted something decently faster than my FX 5200. I ordered a 7600GS and I believe that is a resonable upgrade for me. It is actually at my house right now (UPS delivered it today). If you want me to I could send you some numbers when I get it installed. I think anything in the 7600 series is powerful enough to keep up with (if not exceed) the rest of your computer. Just don't spend too much on something that may have minimal return. Especially nit-picking about what ram the card has and whether or not it will effect the performance.

BTW, what games do you play?
August 23, 2007 9:57:36 PM

I mostly play RPG's and FPS games mainly using LAN and sometimes over the net. Yeah send me the numbers please and thanks for the update. I knew that buying an x1950Pro is a bit too much for a simple upgrade so I decided to settle with just the two of them 7600GT DDR2 and an x1650Pro and I won't be playing at max quality (so called eye candy) as I just need to get playing and remove my annoying GF2 MX 400 lol. 4600Ti was fine so I think the x1650Pro will help a bit more for a reasonable amount of money.
August 23, 2007 9:59:30 PM

Glad I could help.
August 23, 2007 10:12:00 PM

The company isnt importent, take the on with the lower price and the longest warranty.

August 24, 2007 4:32:54 PM

skyline0511 said:

So an x1650 Pro is about the same speed as the 7600 GT DDR2?


That's about right.

Although if it has DDR2, it's not technically a 7600 GT. All true 7600 GTs should have DDR3.
August 24, 2007 10:20:07 PM

If it says on the website that they are 7600GT with ddr2 only memory then they must be giving false or misleading information. I should sue them! joking lol. Also I have heard a long time ago that some third party companies offered a ddr2 version that's why its a bit cheaper from the ddr3. Yeah, if I buy the ddr2 version, then I get what I pay for.

They have the same type of core but the only difference is the memory. and yes it can also be called as 7600GS as they, in fact, 7300GT, 7600GS, and 7600GT share the same cores just different core clock speeds. So I could say that the ddr2 version of 7600GT is just an overclocked 7600GS to the core.

But I have decided to buy the 7600GS cos its cheaper, and yes I have read the benchmarks, 1650Pro is slower than both 7600GT DDR2 and DDR3 versions, because I have seen the 7600GS beaten the x1650Pro most of the benchmarks, and finally as I mentioned before, the DDR2 version of 7600GT has a faster clock core than the GS so 7600GS it is, for a lil price difference. Also, I have heard that the 7600GS is overclockable to both core and memory than the x1650Pro. I also read in some reviews that it has an unlockable pipelines.

So Kyle, I will have the same GFX as yours. lol

Im saving up for my next system next year so hopefully its all good, and probably more affordable graphics cards, and when the DX10 have settled down etc. :bounce: 
August 25, 2007 12:42:36 AM

7600gs does not have unlock able pipelines. If yours has a decent fan they can oc pretty far and won't get to hot. I have a 7600gs as well, byt ob a better system.
September 6, 2007 3:46:05 AM

Is the general consensus that the 7600GT DDR2 is better than the X1650 Pro DDR3? I'm wondering the exact same question as the original poster.
September 6, 2007 1:25:59 PM

cleeve said:
Am I the only one who knows how to use Google? :) 



yeah pretty much... :pt1cable: 
September 6, 2007 2:24:58 PM

In case you aren't getting the hint yet, they're both similar enough in performance that there is no point to this thread. If performance actually matters THAT much, you need to just buy a faster card than either of these.
September 6, 2007 3:23:18 PM

I would go with a 7600gt here. 1650xt is 7600gt rival not 1650pro.
September 6, 2007 6:14:46 PM

cleeve said:
NO. The X1650 PRO is NOT better.

I did answer your question:

"The X1650 PRO isn't nearly as fast as the 7600 GT."

I think someone confused the x1650 Pro with the X1950 Pro. This card is bigger, faster, stronger.
September 6, 2007 9:11:46 PM

lol. I was still unsatisfied with the minor upgrade with 7600GS so I decided to build a new system 2 days ago.

Specs are
Q6600 G0 rev. not overclocked and not needed atm.
Geil DDR-2 2x1Gb kits 4-4-4-12
Temporary - 80GB Caviar WD HD -> i know im gonna upgrade it to 750GB WD caviar se16 in december
Temporary - x1950GT very fast but well see its the performance with crysis @ 1920x1200 lol -> soon to a 8800GTX (in december too)
Hiper type-R PSU blue 580watts
Antec 900

All for about £600. All I can say is that I can't believe with my own eyes when I run the games. and windows responds super fast. Well it could be that I have yet to load heaps of apps to this beast. lol

PS Asus P5k lol
September 6, 2007 9:41:19 PM

very nice!
September 6, 2007 9:50:58 PM

Why don't you get a palit 7600gs with ddr3 those things go like 550mhz core and 1500mhz memory, i own one and i am pleased with it.
September 7, 2007 10:23:56 PM

No they don't sell that here in UK with the AGP ersion or maybe they run out of stock. I can only find a PCI-E version.. But what the heck. I don't need to buy another GFX cos I have a new system, lol.
November 24, 2007 2:46:22 AM

I had the same (almost) problem a few weeks back. I got myself a Palit 7300 GT Sonic AGP 256Mb DDR3. Stock was Core Clock 400Mhz and MemClock 500Mhzx2. Got to run it @ CC 490Mhz and MC 600MHZ using the Stock VDO Tool that came with it, my friend loaned me his X1650pro DDR3 and it seem to me that their almost the same. only Used Aquasoft as a synth benchmark The 7300 got 45,519 Stock and 51,213 Overclocked. The X1650 pro got 43,519 Stock, I didn’t Overclock it coz it was not mine Hehehe. But with (Actual Gaming) Rainbowsix, Halo1 and battlefield the 7300 Gt Sonic feels and looks much better.

and I know that the 7300s and 7600s share the same core, except that the 7600s has more pipelines unlocked.

I think you’re better of with the 7600s if you can get one with DDR3.
And get a 450+ watts PSU.

BTW the Palits use a 6pin PCIE power connector to make it run on AGP. And forget about installing an aftermarket GPU Cooler if your gona get a native PCIE GPU on an AGP platform, The GPU-to-AGP bridge gets in the way.

Hope you find this useful
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