e4300 or x2 5000 ? ? ?

[odet]

What's better overclocked (maxium & stable) with STOCK heatsink and voltages, e4300 or x2 5000?

Mobo i'd be using for e4300: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188017

Mobo i'd be using for x2 5000: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131022

Memory: http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=2525


P.S: I don't use Newegg to buy my stuff (i live in canada) it just gives a better understanding of what the product is rather then using my canadian local store's website (which is cuttingegecomputers.com i live 5 mins away from there good canadian prices, better then tigerdirect.ca and it's local!!)

So yah im thinking e4300 cause it's a beast at overclocking but i just gota be sure.This Rig Will also be for gaming

Thanks in advance
-odet

 

[mrmez]

With stock cooling and volts... thats a little tough.
For me its too close to call.
New AMD chips may require a new mobo, where as a decent intel board now will support quads too... just an idea for future upgrades.

 

[odet]

Thanks for the comment mrmez, and yeah it's a hard choice to make.
The mobo NVIDIA nForce 650i Ultra , which i have selected supports quad's. So in the future if I plan on upgrading to a quad no new mobo would be needed, i can't really say the same for the amd board yet.

 

[Rolenio]

It seems that AM2 board you chose has max 1,95 V on RAM (according to customer reviews, I didn't actually check it), so it can't handle that OCZ memory which requires 2,1 - 2,2 V. But I would go with a lower default voltage memory anyway.

Other than that, I think both processors are very good and which one is better OCed may simply depend on luck.

 

[chocobocorey]

well the 5000+, the most you are going to get is 3 GHz, if you are very lucky. actually i doubt that if you want only stock voltage. wiith the e4300, you should be able to get to about 2.4 to 2.7 GHz on stock voltage and cooling, depending on random things. id go with the e4300.

 

[odet]

oh yah forgot about the ram voltages.. this memory http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopexd.asp?id=1642 is 2.0 voltages i should go with it, or even lower voltage memory? lower then this and i run into 667 ram which is only small differeince (i think) in speed but for only 15 $ more i may as well get the 800 ram. So for the most part i was thinking e4300and overclock.Pobably would easily get to 2.8ghz,but would i see a large enough improvement in games for it to beat the x2 5000? At stock, the x2 5000 is ahead of the e4300 by a few fps in tom's cpu chart.I just looked at a review for the x2 5000 and it seems to have limited overclocking ability and only about a 5% increase in performance. With that being said i think the e4300 would be a better choice because i've heard it can easily get a 50% performance increase with stock V. and HS. So in the end the e4300 would for sure be leading the x2 5000 overclocked. well i geuss i will go for the e4300.. now for the board 650i ultra,Will this be enough for that ram? I don't know what the voltage cap for it is.
Thanks in advance

 

[NaDa]

I will make you a list of what I think is worth to buy and in what order.

Q6600
(I taught to put a dual core conroe with 4mb here but I think they arent worth it and have low multis for overclocking)
E4300
E2140 (E2160)
x3600

You will notice I didnt put the x2 5000 at all.

 

[NaDa]

For the mobo get a P35 chipset for Intel like Gigabyte P35-DS3 IMHO the best mobo for the money. Best overclocking for quad and dual core and supports penryn.
I think that if you go for AMD it shouldnt be more than a budget build like x2 3600 + somethink like ECS NFORCE4M-A nForce4-4x or Gigabyte M61P-S3 GeForce 6100. I wouldnt go any higher on an AMD build.

I personaly am using an E2160 overclocked to 3.2 (goes to 3.5 but I need to push the voltage a bit higher than I like but then again its very cheap chip so what the hell).
Gigabyte P35-DS3P
4x1 GB DDR2 800 Kingmax
6800GT (softmoded quadro FX3400)
400W Fortron PSU.

 

[Rolenio]

That EVGA 650i ultra should be OK for that RAM. Here's the link on manufacturer's site.

They don't have OCZ Special Ops listed, but Ballistix is on the list for example, and that's also 2.2V, so it should be fine.

And yes, I would go for P35 mobo if you can find it in your town.

 

[zenmaster]

The E4300 easily.
It should hit 3.0Ghz on Stock Voltage without an issue.
I actually run mine at 3.0Ghz below Stock Voltage for extra silent operation.

I hit 3.2Ghz on Stock, but my CPU fine was audible at full load and the extra power was not noticble so I cranked it back.

 

[Rolenio]

3.2GHz?! 75% OC on stock voltage?! That's beyond amazing!
On what motherboard/chipset is that?

 

[zenmaster]

Gigabyte 965P-DS3.

Not really even surprising, but the norm.
The E4300 is built using the same basic process as the E6800 which clocks almost 3.0ghz before an OC.

In fact, the E4300 actually is built using a newer process than the old E6800 so you may actually expect a higher final result than an E6800.

Intel has B2, L2, and G0 are major steppings.

THG recently had an article on the wonders of the L2 stepping just before G0 shipped. The E4300, E4400, and E6400 all use the L2 stepping which often gives better results than the old B2 stepping CPUs.

 

[odet]

There are p35 mobos here where I live, heres what we have at the local store

http://www.cuttingedgecomputers.ca/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=10

I probably wouldn't be spending more then 170$ on a mobo so which one out of them?

if none then ill probably go back to the 650i.

 

[dobby]

intel for OCing abiltiy

and if you where to get the AMD chip it would soon be a last gen chip with the K10, and you would have problem upgrading. while c2d gonna be around for a while and if you where to get a g35 board you would be able to upgrade for year to come