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August 16, 2007 8:40:04 AM

As ive read and participated in a few discussions about Intel and its business pratices, in alot of these posts, theres a few comparisons about cars, explaining the differences in performance and business dealings which brings me to this http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41726 . I find this funny and remember, busines IS business :kaola: 

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August 16, 2007 8:51:06 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
As ive read and participated in a few discussions about Intel and its business pratices, in alot of these posts, theres a few comparisons about cars, explaining the differences in performance and business dealings which brings me to this http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41726 . I find this funny and remember, busines IS business :kaola: 

What!, you mean to say that I can't use a car as a CPU! [:mousemonkey:1]
August 16, 2007 9:33:23 AM

For crying out loud man.The use of the word intel has been going on for several generations.The FBI and CIA all refer to their intelligence gathering as "intel"EG;"The latest INTEL shows that so and so has this nuclear weapon in their arsenal".Seriously,INTEL nees to lighten up,and so do a lot of companies with so-called trade names.If a small business can use the name "gold" in it,why can't they use the name "INTEL"?Or the word "snufflufagus" be used???I believe that people and corporations have the right to trademark their wares,such as cpu's or security systems,but c'mon,a word is a word and the only one who should have the right to trade mark it is the one who invented it.Seems to me that's how patents work.

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August 16, 2007 10:57:04 AM

Brilliant! I wish the intelAUTO.com people lots of luck! It seems as though they have a valid case. A google search of "intelauto" or "auto intel" or "intel auto" return completely different results.

Intel really needs to pull their head out of their a$s on this one. But, this is what happens when you let lawyers run a company.
August 16, 2007 11:40:16 AM

Mousemonkey said:
What!, you mean to say that I can't use a car as a CPU! [:mousemonkey:1]


****! Now what do I use? That alternator was the life of me!
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August 16, 2007 11:53:41 AM

Mousemonkey said:
What!, you mean to say that I can't use a car as a CPU! [:mousemonkey:1]



Speaking of which: Is it possible to overclock my 99 3.2TL to a Twin Turbo 350 smallblock? It already has liquid cooling!! :kaola: 


oh - Regarding the lawsuit: Usually a company will only bother suing another if the usage of the trademark either makes the accused money, or somehow damages the owner of the trademark. It's common knowledge that the government/military's usage of "Intel" is to provide news commentators, comedians, and political cartoonists with the means to earn their employment. So, in a business sense, Intel Corp is neither helped, nor hindered... :sleep:  :whistle: 
August 16, 2007 12:25:41 PM

On the 3.2TL, if you want to overclock the first step is to get a larger radiator and intercooler. That will let you then be able to cool the air through the intercooler more efficiently and to a lower temperature, which is crucial in OCing you engine. Also the larger radiator will cool your... coolant better as well. I think a couple of black ice radiators would do fine. Take the battery and make sure you have a high or extreme performance one. You always want to make sure you have more then enough electricity to start that motor. You will only use as much as you need anyway. For the spark plugs, just ensure they are platinum based and the gap is correct so it arcs the best for you motor.

At this point just hack into the ecu and start messing with the numbers. I like to raise the fuel to air multiplier. Mine is stock at 9 but my ecu lets me go up to 52. Think of the air as the fsb, you will need to make sure you crank that up as well to ensure the best results. You don't want to run to rich or lean. If you want, put some nice blue leds in the engine bay, and swap out that old stock fan with some of the led fans was well.

If you want to go all out, get a bigger turbo and place your engine at the stage 2. Just remember to have you exhaust at 2.5 inches or greater with either high flow cats or no cats at all.



As for Intel being a bully, sure! Why not? Are you on his good side or bad?
August 16, 2007 2:54:14 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
As ive read and participated in a few discussions about Intel and its business pratices, in alot of these posts, theres a few comparisons about cars, explaining the differences in performance and business dealings which brings me to this http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41726 . I find this funny and remember, busines IS business :kaola: 


No. It's a brand/trademark that is worth billions. That's why Intel fights companies that use Intel in their names. Too bad if Intel is a favorite word to use for some, but that's why Intel trademarked the name. Nothing bullying about it.

If you're last name happened to be Disney, and you started a company called Disney Automotive, you don't think the Disney people would hit you with a trademark infringement suit, either? Or try opening a mom and pop store, and call it E-Bay. Try using Google, Yahoo!, or Sony in any variation, and see what happens. Just cause Intel is used more, doesn't mean that any other company, who has a well known brand/trademark, won't do the same.
August 16, 2007 8:43:44 PM

NMDante said:
No. It's a brand/trademark that is worth billions. That's why Intel fights companies that use Intel in their names. Too bad if Intel is a favorite word to use for some, but that's why Intel trademarked the name. Nothing bullying about it.

If you're last name happened to be Disney, and you started a company called Disney Automotive, you don't think the Disney people would hit you with a trademark infringement suit, either? Or try opening a mom and pop store, and call it E-Bay. Try using Google, Yahoo!, or Sony in any variation, and see what happens. Just cause Intel is used more, doesn't mean that any other company, who has a well known brand/trademark, won't do the same.


I agree with nmdante here. The other part of trademarks that has not been brought up is the following: Anyone can get a trademark but you can't keep it unless you vigorously defend it. An example: Kleenex was a trademark product at one time but now is in common usuage as any tissue. They did not defend it and now anyone can use it for a tissue product.
August 16, 2007 9:01:30 PM

The fact of the matter is this... the law is designed to protect Intel from being associated with another company, IN THE SAME INDUSTRY from using the Intel name.

IntelAuto is completely free to use the "Intel" name because they aren't even in the same market. Most laws are loosely based on common sense/reasonable person kind of scenarios.

Would a reasonable man who purchased a lemon from IntelAuto go after Intel the chip-maker for a POS car he purchased... a reasonable man wouldn't.

And yes, if someone wanted to open a car lot called Disney Automotive, why couldn't he? Especially if his last name was Disney. Not all Disney's in the world are related to Walt.

A mom and pop store with the E-Bay name is a different story... depending on what they are selling.
August 17, 2007 4:04:24 AM

vertigo_2000 said:
The fact of the matter is this... the law is designed to protect Intel from being associated with another company, IN THE SAME INDUSTRY from using the Intel name.

Not really. The law has a dilution section, that protects the Intel brand. Once dilution has been established, the blurring section kicks in.
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Blurring occurs when the power of the mark is weakened through its identification with dissimilar goods. For example, Kodak brand bicycles or Xerox brand cigarettes. Although neither example is likely to cause confusion among consumers, each dilutes the distinctive quality of the mark. Tarnishment occurs when the mark is cast in an unflattering light, typically through its association with inferior or unseemly products or services. So, for example, in a recent case, ToysRUs successfully brought a tarnishment claim against adultsrus.com, a pornographic web-site.

So being in the same industry doesn't apply.

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IntelAuto is completely free to use the "Intel" name because they aren't even in the same market. Most laws are loosely based on common sense/reasonable person kind of scenarios.


So, IntelAuto might not be allowed to use the Intel name, because of the above reason.

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Would a reasonable man who purchased a lemon from IntelAuto go after Intel the chip-maker for a POS car he purchased... a reasonable man wouldn't.


No, most people won't be confused. But the same argument from above is in play. Allowing them to use Intel can be seen as dilution of the brand that Intel made itself to be.

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And yes, if someone wanted to open a car lot called Disney Automotive, why couldn't he? Especially if his last name was Disney. Not all Disney's in the world are related to Walt.


Sure. But again, the dilution factor is in play. Disney Enterprise has trademarked the Disney name.
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Complainant, Disney Enterprises, Inc., holds hundreds of registrations for the DISNEY mark. Complainant registered the DISNEY mark July 28, 1981 (Reg. No. 1,162,727) with the United States Patent and Trademark Office (“USPTO”).

So, yes, they can push to have the car lot change its name.


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A mom and pop store with the E-Bay name is a different story... depending on what they are selling.

Nope. Again, it does not have to be in the same industry. If a company owns the trademark, they can enforce it in any industry.

This isn't the first time Intel has done this to companies wanting to use Intel in their names.

Overview of Trademark Law
Disney vs. Disnay
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August 17, 2007 9:54:15 AM

And lest we forget, Apple Music v Apple Computers!
August 17, 2007 3:13:19 PM

NMdante is on top of things!

Anyone remember MikeRoweSoft.com? A software site created by a college kid name Mike Rowe (not the guy from the Discovery channel). Microsoft actually won the court case there and that's with a different spelling. Considering that Intel IS probably in the Auto world in some way (think of ECUs, etc.) I don't think industry blurring is even a consideration here.
August 17, 2007 8:18:31 PM

You'd be surprised at what companies will (and thanks to the law pretty much have to) do to protect their trademarks: http://www.snopes.com/disney/wdco/daycare.asp

"Disney forced the removal of murals featuring their cartoon figures from the walls of three Florida day care centers"
August 17, 2007 8:23:15 PM

sonoran63 said:
You'd be surprised at what companies will (and thanks to the law pretty much have to) do to protect their trademarks: http://www.snopes.com/disney/wdco/daycare.asp

"Disney forced the removal of murals featuring their cartoon figures from the walls of three Florida day care centers"


I knew Comcast should have bought them out!
August 17, 2007 9:05:52 PM

Interesting read... apparently I stand corrected. At least I don't know as much as I thought I knew... you know?
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