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8800GTX SLI or 8800ULTRA xxx

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September 4, 2007 2:57:42 AM

I have done my best to search through the forums for this and everywhere else for that matter but I am at a loss for information..

I am building a new PC, if specs are needed I will supply but generally it isn't all too important as I have pretty much decided on everything I want to get, my question is though which would be better for high performance high end gaming (FPS games like Bioshock, CSS etc.)

A:
88000GTX SLI (most likely just standard as I can hopefully overclock a little myself) or..

XFX 8800ULTRA xxx

I plan on using max resolution that my monitor can handle (ViewSonic VX2835wm 28".. 1920x1200).

Price difference between the 2 isn't all that much when it comes down to it, so which would be the better performer ??... just in case my MB is ASUS Striker Extreme.

Thanks for any assistance and sorry if this has already been discussed I really did try my best to find out as much information as possible.

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a b Î Nvidia
September 4, 2007 6:39:50 AM

2x8800GTX will be alot better than a single 8800ULTRA ,
September 4, 2007 7:19:09 AM

For that size of monitor you do need SLI, but get the GTX version because all an Ultra is is an overclocked 8800GTX. Many gamers would rather OC it themselfs.
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a b Î Nvidia
September 4, 2007 7:21:22 AM

like me :D 
September 4, 2007 8:41:50 AM

systemlord said:
For that size of monitor you do need SLI, but get the GTX version because all an Ultra is is an overclocked 8800GTX. Many gamers would rather OC it themselfs.


That means that people with a 24" monitor at 1920x1200 wanting to run at max would have the same issues... wow... I expected maybe a 30" that can run 2560x1536 needing SLI @ max settings but not 1920x1200.

Also does that mean that if I buy 2x 8800 GTX's I can OC them each to 675mhz each as that is what the XFX 8800ULTRA xxx version is spec'd at where the XFX 8800GTX xxx is @ 630mhz ??

If that is the case then I will save my $ and buy dual GTX's and simply do my best to safely overclock them.
September 4, 2007 8:58:15 AM

You could always buy just one GTX, try gaming for a week and see how everything runs. If you are happy, leave everything as is, if you are not, buy another GTX.

Just a thought, if you are having trouble deciding buying one or two cards.

As already mentioned, the GTX SLI system will be much better than one 8800 Ultra.
September 4, 2007 9:11:47 AM

Well should I end up buying 2 GTX's this is what my system would look like...

VIDEO 1
EVGA e-Geforce 8800GTX, 768MB, PCI-E $780.00
VIDEO 2
EVGA e-Geforce 8800GTX, 768MB, PCI-E $780.00
CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.4GHz/1066FSB) g0 Stepping (SLACR) $350.00
RAM
Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 PC2-6400 2GB (1GBx2) DDR2 Kit $200.00
RAM 2
Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 PC2-6400 2GB (1GBx2) DDR2 Kit $200.00
POWER SUPPLY
Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W Power Supply (W0133) $420.00
CASE
Cooler Master Stacker 831 $285.00
FANS
120mmx2 CoolerMaster Blue LED Silent 120 SI3 $20.00
WATER COOLING
Thermaltake Bigwater 745 Liquid Cooling System $219.00
WATER COOLING 2
Thermaltake Aquabay M5 (CL-W0103) $88.00
WATER COOLING 3
Thermaltake TMG ND4 LCS $88.00
WATER COOLING 4
Thermaltake TMG ND4 LCS $88.00
MOTHERBOARD
ASUS STRIKER EXTREME, 680i SLI, 1333MHz FSB, DDR2-800 $469.00
HDD
WD Caviar SE16 SATA 300 MB/s 500GB $192.50
DVD
LG BLACK 18X +/- RW/RAM DVD SATA Burner (GSA-H62N) $50.00
MONITOR
ViewSonic VX2835wm 28" $890.00
MOUSE
Razer Copperhead (Blue) $91.30
KEYBOARD
Logitech G11 Gaming Keyboard $84.70
OS
MICROSOFT WINDOWS VISTA HOME PREMIUM 64-bit OEM $154.00
HEADPHONE
eDimensional AudioFX Pro 5+1 Force Feedback Headset $95.50
SOUND
Creative X-FI Extreme Gamer $200.00
LIGHTING
Thermaltake Blue Cold Cathode Light Kit $20.00


Would everything be ok on this (I.E PSU, water pumps etc.) have I gone overboard with the PSU... sorry to be asking these questions in the video section but I didn't want to start a new thread ?
It goes over my budget by a fair bit (had originally set just over $5k), but if I can OC a GTX to what a ULTRA xxx can do then I am still saving money by just buying the water cooling for both GTX's and overclocking, rather than buying 2 ULTRA's (which I wasn't planning on but if I am going to be buying 2 video cards anyway so that my PC runs @ what my monitor can dish out I might as well go to the next level). Oh and this is Australian pricing so don't be too alarmed :p 

Also I would see what a single 8800 would look like before buying a 2nd, but I am buying from across state so I want to get it all in one bundle, but a good idea had I have been buying local :( 
September 4, 2007 9:28:04 AM

2 heads are better than 1.
a b Î Nvidia
September 4, 2007 9:43:31 AM

my OCZ 8800GTX OCed awesome , the stock was 575,900 and i got 630/1100 , which is very good
September 4, 2007 10:32:02 AM

For $780 your getting Ultras not GTX's right?
September 4, 2007 10:48:07 AM

baddad said:
For $780 your getting Ultras not GTX's right?


no GTX's but in Aus $ (around $640USD).. also the Australian market is a little higher when it comes to PC's :( 

I could get the 8800GTX 768MB Calibre P880+ (575/1800MHz/HDCP) for $740AU but I heard that EVGA are more reliable.

Maziar said:
my OCZ 8800GTX OCed awesome , the stock was 575,900 and i got 630/1100 , which is very good


By "very good" do you mean thats about as far as you can push a GTX, if so then there must be something different about ULTRA's if XFX can push one to 675 (some people have even reported receiving them out of the box @ 685).. which would mean that ULTRA's cant be just OC'd GTX's... or can it.
September 4, 2007 11:02:13 PM

Maziar said:
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_8800.html

8800ULTRA = 8800GTX OC'd , no difference in architecture


I don't know a single thing at all about PC chips and all that (or overclocking for that matter) but the memory bandwidth is 103.7GB/S & Texture fillrate is 39.2 on a ULTRA and lower on the GTX, does this improve upon overclocking ?

Also I have heard that the ULTRA's although the same design have better quality chips... as I said earlier though I have no idea on the actual design side of PC parts. All said though, if a ULTRA is just an OC'd GTX then anyone with a 8800GTX could overclock to what an XFX 8800ULTRA xxx is but I have not read of anyone with a GTX going past the average range of 630mhz core clock stable. I am not trying to dispute that a ULTRA is better as I dont know either way, I am simply trying to find out why an ULTRA can be pushed further than a GTX could (or can't it).
September 5, 2007 12:11:59 AM

hey man, i think instead of getting that thermaltake watercoolign setup, get a few thermalright heatsinks and put good quality fans on them, the temp will be about the same, the price will be cheaper and it will be less hassel, my 2c
September 5, 2007 1:18:49 AM

I'm pretty sure I read something about 8800Ultra having a more efficient core therefore slight temp drops and better overclocking.

Ah here's the link: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNiwsLGhlbnR...

It says here:
Quote:
While the architecture is the same, there are a couple of things NVIDIA has tweaked with this new GPU. The GPU itself is actually a newer refined revision compared to the GeForce 8800 GTX GPU, though still built on 90nm process. NVIDIA has done some tweaking internally, concerning timing tuning and other minor things to coax a little more performance but yet keeping the power utilization in check. In fact, according to the specifications the maximum load power draw has been reduced by a few watts compared to the 8800 GTX even running at the faster clock speeds.


Proves my point ;) 
September 5, 2007 2:23:19 AM

Mate that is a kick a$$ machine you are building. Brisbane don't sell the Evga brand unfortunately but their prices are a shiteload cheaper than XFX or BFG. They seem to be doing well in the states and I looked only today at the prices and for an extra few hundred over a GTS I can get a GTX. Only issue is a new PSU is needed.

I don't see any reason to get two of them though. Just buy it as is with only one video card and then see how it runs. If you need the second one, buy it later.

Oh and I have never been a fan of watercooling. I still don't think its necessary considering air con does the same thing. I work in a massive computer room and none of the servers have water cooling, and I guarantee they all work much harder and run longer than any of your gaming machines.
September 5, 2007 2:35:16 AM

Mr. Speedy has good point. Who knows, that GTX could be more than enough and when ATI or Nvidia release their next flagship model you can upgrade to that.

Then again, if you've got holes in your wallet, you might as well spend it one really cool ****.
September 5, 2007 3:23:29 AM

Two 8800GTXs will stomp an 8800Ultra at 1920x1200.
September 5, 2007 9:45:11 AM

Evilonigiri said:
I'm pretty sure I read something about 8800Ultra having a more efficient core therefore slight temp drops and better overclocking.

Ah here's the link: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNiwsLGhlbnR...

It says here:
Quote:
While the architecture is the same, there are a couple of things NVIDIA has tweaked with this new GPU. The GPU itself is actually a newer refined revision compared to the GeForce 8800 GTX GPU, though still built on 90nm process. NVIDIA has done some tweaking internally, concerning timing tuning and other minor things to coax a little more performance but yet keeping the power utilization in check. In fact, according to the specifications the maximum load power draw has been reduced by a few watts compared to the 8800 GTX even running at the faster clock speeds.


Proves my point ;) 


Best read I have had on the 8800 subject (and believe me I have read alot over the past month), thank you very very much.

It seems 8800U has more potential than a GTX but at the cost it seems I am better off buying 2 GTX's.. or 1 for now as people have stated than a single ULTRA or even a XFX ULTRA xxx by the sounds of that review, even though they didn't go as far as to show results for their overclocked ULTRA they still showed the difference between the 2 standard versions which gives me a rough idea of how both would perform overclocked.

Looks like I will be making a new thread after all now as I want to ask about watercooling and my overall system build etc. but don't want to clutter up the graphics section with all my nonsense.

Thank you all who helped me get one step closer to building what will hopefully be enough power to keep me going for another year of gaming (until I do this all over again with a new system... hopefully I will be able to use most of the knowledge I have gained here when deciding upon that system too).
September 5, 2007 1:43:21 PM

You dont need SLI for 1920x1200 I have a 8800 Ultra and a Dell 24" playing Bioshock at 1920x1200 with everything maxed and it runs smooth.

The only problem I have is Vista, Vista is known to have issues with 8800 GPU and other newer GPUs. But that is for another thread.
a b Î Nvidia
September 5, 2007 2:57:19 PM

well a 8800gtx/ultra can handle games pretty well even 2048x1536 but its 1920x1200 and 2048x1536 that SLI shines
September 5, 2007 3:39:13 PM

I will agree that you dont notice much with SLI til you do 1920x1200 or more, but for now one Ultra runs Bioshock great, maybe Far Cry 2 might push it more, but all in all I should be good with one ultra til G10 comes out. I am skipping G98.