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September 8, 2007 6:49:23 AM

I originally bought my computer with no plans of using it for gaming, but that has since changed. My question is, should I buy another 7600 GS (512) and SLI it with my current 7600, or should I sell it (current offer is $40) and use the money to buy an 8600 GT?

I'm looking to run Bioshock on max at 1024x768. Or, should I just wait until November (?) when the prices are supposed to drop, and get an 8800GTS?

Sorry for the multitude of questions, but any help or advice would be appreciated.

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September 8, 2007 7:21:06 AM

check out the minimum requirements for bioshock thread i started every answer you'll ever need is in there.
September 8, 2007 8:05:54 AM

teh_boxzor said:
check out the minimum requirements for bioshock thread i started every answer you'll ever need is in there.


I read it, but it didn't really help me out. I'm looking for a rather specific answer to my question.

I already have Bioshock, and it runs silky smooth on low (30fps). Well, I suppose that's not silky smooth to you guys, but either way, it plays perfectly like that. I'm just sick of seeing the lack of detail in textures in whatnot, and as my budget is limited, I was wondering what the best option is.

Thanks anyway.
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September 8, 2007 9:29:20 AM

assuming your PSU and wallet can handle it an x1950 pro will demolish the aforementioned cards (an xt would murder the pro if you could afford that though)
September 8, 2007 10:48:42 AM

get a x1950 pro/7900gs over the 8600 as they are faster and cheaper, or if you want dx10 get the 8800gts 320, sli on buget cards isn't worth it. 1 7900 outperforms 2 7600s. 1 8800 out performs 2 8600s
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September 8, 2007 11:02:06 AM

I'd get the 8800gts, and you could always sli those later when you have more money, you may need a better psu at that point though.
September 8, 2007 12:12:23 PM

Assuming you only have the choice between another 7600gs or 8600gt. I would say another 7600gs. The 8600gt isnt much better then a 7600gs. Even though im not a fan of sli I would still say sli the 7600gs.

If you have the extra $ sell your 7600gs, You should be able to get more then $40 and buy a 7900gs.
September 8, 2007 12:26:22 PM

yeah ppl suggesting 8800's... forget it, I expect that the 2 7600's would beat 1 8600 but you can check the charts
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September 8, 2007 1:15:25 PM

well no one knows how 8700gts peforoms
September 8, 2007 1:23:02 PM

I've had a xfx 8600gt before and it sucks hardcore. Please dont get one, my roommate has a 7600gt and mine just barely beat his in some games, and he beat me in some.... Anyway, this is what i did. Get on ebay, and get a 7950gt. They are on newegg for like 180 (last time i checked) but I got mine for 140 shipped on ebay, and it absolutely crushes the 8600gt and the 7900gs (dunno about ati cards cuz i'm an nvidia fanboy :p  ) but yea, that would be my recommendation. GL!
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September 8, 2007 3:07:41 PM

Everything I have read says that SLI is generally not a good road to take.
If you can wait till November and get an 8800GTS that sounds like the best option to me.
If you want a reasonable alternative now - which might satisfy you past November, I suggest considering the 7900GS OC now on sale on frys.com for $100 AR. The 7900GS is one of the two cards (along with the x1950Pro) recommended for the under $140 price range for gaming cards in the article on THG. In the overall games benchmark on THG, the 7900GS is about twice as fast as the 7300GS.

http://shop1.outpost.com/template/onad/product_navigati...
September 8, 2007 4:09:05 PM

yeah whatever you do. do not sli 2 7600gs's. its not gonna do anything for image quality. sli just helps when you are running insane resolutions. (which you aren't)
September 8, 2007 4:25:45 PM

Krippy said:
I originally bought my computer with no plans of using it for gaming, but that has since changed. My question is, should I buy another 7600 GS (512) and SLI it with my current 7600, or should I sell it (current offer is $40) and use the money to buy an 8600 GT?

I'm looking to run Bioshock on max at 1024x768. Or, should I just wait until November (?) when the prices are supposed to drop, and get an 8800GTS?

Sorry for the multitude of questions, but any help or advice would be appreciated.


You have a nice system don't put a lame card in such a good system. Either get a 8800GTS for about 300 bucks or wait for the next gen cards to come out.
September 8, 2007 4:44:23 PM

you have liquid cooling, are you OC'ing?
September 8, 2007 4:45:02 PM

Maziar said:
well no one knows how 8700gts peforoms


No one knows but some of us have a rough idea. It will be very close to 8800gts in medium resolutions. While 8800gts will be faster in higher resolutions like 1920x1200 or higher.
September 8, 2007 4:47:01 PM

a 8600gt overclocked would be twice as fast as 7600gs. I wouldn't sli with 2 low end cards.

Again 7900gs is a bad buy NOW if you look at modern game benchmarks. It has a hard time even matching a 8600gt which cost less BTW.

A 1950pro or 8600gts give you similar results.
September 8, 2007 4:51:19 PM

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8700GTS coming out that 256bit. It will likely be much cheaper than the 8800 and it will outperform the x1950xt.

That would be nice, but they start those kind of rumors everytime a new line of cards comes out, 8600gt.gts wer supposed to be 256 bit, but to the op, i would get a 7900gs or 1950xt as previously stated.
September 8, 2007 5:00:40 PM

Krippy said:
I originally bought my computer with no plans of using it for gaming, but that has since changed. My question is, should I buy another 7600 GS (512) and SLI it with my current 7600, or should I sell it (current offer is $40) and use the money to buy an 8600 GT?

I'm looking to run Bioshock on max at 1024x768. Or, should I just wait until November (?) when the prices are supposed to drop, and get an 8800GTS?

Sorry for the multitude of questions, but any help or advice would be appreciated.

Didnt see your system specs before, it would be a travesty to run that system with anytning less that a 7900gs/1950xt, get your forty bucks, then head over to newegg and get a new card. On anther note, im more of a casual gamer, but i'm kinda digging bioshock too, beautiful game.
September 8, 2007 5:21:47 PM

marvelous211 said:
a 8600gt overclocked would be twice as fast as 7600gs. I wouldn't sli with 2 low end cards.

Again 7900gs is a bad buy NOW if you look at modern game benchmarks. It has a hard time even matching a 8600gt which cost less BTW.

A 1950pro or 8600gts give you similar results.


I think you meant to say 7600GS and not 7900GS because the 7900GS is faster than the 8600GT, heck the 7600GT is a close match for the 8600GT.
September 8, 2007 6:06:00 PM

SLI doesnt just helpa t insane resolutions, I think you out tyo stop spreading false information.

When I enable SLI on my resolution, which is 1280x720, very small, i get almost 80% boost, there goes your whole SLI thing.

Mate if you're looking for just a cheap upgrade for a bit better performance then yeh go with it, probably best to save your money and get a 8600gts though. Rather then a 8600gt.
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September 8, 2007 6:33:46 PM

brick88 said:
yeah whatever you do. do not sli 2 7600gs's. its not gonna do anything for image quality. sli just helps when you are running insane resolutions. (which you aren't)


Hatman said:
SLI doesnt just helpa t insane resolutions, I think you out tyo stop spreading false information.


I'm with Hatman on this, Sli makes a difference @1280x1024, which is what I game at.
September 8, 2007 6:56:47 PM

caamsa said:
I think you meant to say 7600GS and not 7900GS because the 7900GS is faster than the 8600GT, heck the 7600GT is a close match for the 8600GT.


Ha. NO. I meant 7900gs. I wouldn't even get a 8600gt because 8600gts is only $20 more with roughly the same speed as 7900gs for older games but faster in new ones.

7900gs is looking terrible for modern games. It is only tied with 8600gt or sometimes slower in games like oblivion and bioshock.

Bioshock BTW is based on UT3 engine which is going to be used a lot in the future which would make 7900gs not worth it IMHO.
September 8, 2007 7:03:26 PM

Using SLI on 7600gs is a stupid idea either way because it's so slow to begin with. SLI doesn't work with all games BTW which means you would be playing with only a single 7600gs sometimes.

Sell the card and get 8600gts or 1950pro. You can't even find 1950xt anymore unless you pay a premium.
September 8, 2007 7:49:21 PM

I'll vouch for the above suggestion though I would prefer the 1950 pro option since its cheaper
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September 8, 2007 7:57:50 PM

marvelous211 said:
Again 7900gs is a bad buy NOW if you look at modern game benchmarks. It has a hard time even matching a 8600gt which cost less BTW.
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This is the second thread on which you have bad mouthed the 7900GS. On the other thread, you also denigrated the THG article by Cleve picking the best gaming cards for the money which includes the 7900GS. Cleve responded abling defending himself I beleive. Also on the other thread, in the one benchmark posted for the game the used by the person starting the thread, the 7900 GS beat out even the x1950Pro. On the THG benchmarks, the 7900GS outperforms the 8600GTS which is faste than the GT, which is not in the benchmarks.
On top of that the 7900GS I am listed was for sale for $100AR - substantially LESS then the lowest priced 8600GT or 8600GTS. Your continued thrashing of this card does not match with facts.

If the 8600GT does beat the 7900GS in some games. please post those benchmarks so the people can see in which ones and in how many the 8600GT is faster.

Please also post the link to the site with an 8600GT for less than $100.


September 8, 2007 8:08:24 PM

rockyjohn said:
This is the second thread on which you have bad mouthed the 7900GS. On the other thread, you also denigrated the THG article by Cleve picking the best gaming cards for the money which includes the 7900GS. Cleve responded abling defending himself I beleive. Also on the other thread, in the one benchmark posted for the game the used by the person starting the thread, the 7900 GS beat out even the x1950Pro. On the THG benchmarks, the 7900GS outperforms the 8600GTS which is faste than the GT, which is not in the benchmarks.
On top of that the 7900GS I am listed was for sale for $100AR - substantially LESS then the lowest priced 8600GT or 8600GTS. Your continued thrashing of this card does not match with facts.

If the 8600GT does beat the 7900GS in some games. please post those benchmarks so the people can see in which ones and in how many the 8600GT is faster.


How did I know more ignorance is going to come out of you? THG uses 6 month old drivers in their vga chart and test old games that favors 7900gs. If THG updated drivers we wouldn't even be having this argument. With recent drivers 8600gts is neck and neck with BFG OC 7900gs and is the better card for future not to mention better IQ and actually have HDCP functions.

I never mentioned 8600gt beating out 7900gs. I said it has a hard time beating out 8600gt in recent modern games like oblivion and bioshock. You want benchmarks you can search it yourself. It's all over the net which you seem to ignore.

September 8, 2007 8:18:22 PM

don't sli 7600gt
-wait till november and get either 8800gts 640 or 8800gtx
-sli is not cost efficient or performance efficient when compared to one card of the higher generation.

-you should be shooting higher than silky smooth on (max) settings on 1024 x 768, though. it's basically a different game on 1600 x 1200 compared to 1024 x768.

-just wait and see what the prices do in november is my advice
just don't sli
September 8, 2007 8:27:40 PM

So far 7900gs is terrible for Unreal engine from bioshock to Rainbow Six. Gears of War is also coming out for PC which would be a blockbuster hit which is also based on this engine. Unreal 3 is also based on this engine. :hello: 

It's a bad idea buying a 7900gs today unless you want to keep holding on to the past. :bounce: 
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September 8, 2007 8:29:07 PM

marvelous211 said:
How did I know more ignorance is going to come out of you?... It's all over the net which you seem to ignore.


Your arrogance is amazing. It speaks loads.

However thank you for finding two games where the higher priced 8600GTS is faster than the 7900GS and posting benchmarks for them. I'm sure others will find this much more helpful than your lambasting it across the board.

Did you find a site to support the claim you made earlier that the 8600GT cost less than the 7900GS which was $100AR?
September 8, 2007 8:38:48 PM

rockyjohn said:
Your arrogance is amazing. It speaks loads.

However thank you for finding two games where the higher priced 8600GTS is faster than the 7900GS and posting benchmarks for them. I'm sure others will find this much more helpful than your lambasting it across the board.

Did you find a site to support the claim you made earlier that the 8600GT cost less than the 7900GS which was $100AR?


Why thank you. It's coming from experience and knowledge. Not ignorance.

Here's more benches with modern drivers. 7900gs isn't faster than 8600gts. It's pretty much neck and neck for older games. 7900gs beats some while 8600gts beats others.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/g84-3-page4.h...

You can easily find a 8600gt for $85-90 after rebate and I wouldn't recommend this unless you are going to use it for HDCP and light gaming while saving money for its bigger brother. As for price....is $20 more really going to break the bank for your assurance that it's going to be better for games like Unreal 3 and Gears of War? I guess not for you.

I also see overclocked 8600gts go for $130 which would be much better than 7900gs for future games lilke Unreal 3 and Gears of War. You've heard of these games right? They're coming for the PC. Unreal is coming out in November. Gears next year.
September 8, 2007 8:56:13 PM

I think Crysis and Unreal 3 will judge how well 7900gs plays out. As for older games yes. 7900gs has a slight edge because of its memory bandwidth and good texturing abilities. But it lacks one thing for modern games. Shading ability as you can see in benchmarks like bioshock, battlefield 2142, oblivion, stalker, rainbow six.
September 8, 2007 9:07:41 PM

SLI works for almost all games though mate, theres dozens of profiles probably hundreds, I sure aint counting them.

If the guy had the money to buy a 8800GTS im sure hr probably would, fact is he is asking if spending a small amount to iprove his graphics by getting another card will give him a bit of performance boost.

Relativly itll likely give 70% odd performance boost, so yes in answer to his question it is a good idea. Its a cheap way to get extra performance, end of.
September 8, 2007 9:12:58 PM

I know but 7600gs already has a slow base frame rate to begin with. Even if it was 70% faster after using SLI it would perform slower than 7900gs. Now if it was a 7600gt it would change the story some.

Cheapest 7600gs new cost like $75-80. Selling the old card and getting a faster 1 card would be more ideal.
September 8, 2007 9:34:15 PM

Getting a DX10 card would be a good idea.
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September 8, 2007 10:15:14 PM

marvelous211 said:
Why thank you. It's coming from experience and knowledge. Not ignorance.

Here's more benches with modern drivers. 7900gs isn't faster than 8600gts. It's pretty much neck and neck for older games. 7900gs beats some while 8600gts beats others.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/g84-3-page4.h...

You can easily find a 8600gt for $85-90 after rebate and I wouldn't recommend this unless you are going to use it for HDCP and light gaming while saving money for its bigger brother. As for price....is $20 more really going to break the bank for your assurance that it's going to be better for games like Unreal 3 and Gears of War? I guess not for you.

I also see overclocked 8600gts go for $130 which would be much better than 7900gs for future games lilke Unreal 3 and Gears of War. You've heard of these games right? They're coming for the PC. Unreal is coming out in November. Gears next year.


Wow - Your arrogant attacks just don't stop do they? Where is my hard hat? Anyone have a football helmet they can loan me?

Let me remind you of your earlier post. You stated "Again 7900gs is a bad buy NOW if you look at modern game benchmarks. It has a hard time even matching a 8600gt which cost less BTW. "

Now above we have the 7900GS matching the 8600GTS - which is about 20 -25% faster than the 8600GT. Thank you mousemonkey for posting the August benchmark on F.E.A.R. which shows the 7900GS outperforming both the 8600GTS and an 8600GT OC by over 15%.

I am still waiting for the link for the 8600GT that shows it to be less than the 7900GS (or $100 AR) as you originally stated. Above you state you have seen if from $85-90. This is not a history course. Where can you purchase it for even $100 now?

"is $20 more really going to break the bank" - I don't know where your $20 comes from, but this is not about breaking the bank. It is about the accuracy and veracity of your statements. It is about your credibility.

"I also see overclocked 8600gts go for $130" - the 7900GS for $100 is already factory OC. The core clock is about 16% above the reference spec. So in some of the benchmarks you presented, where the 8600GTS did only marginally better than a standard 7900GS, this overclocked version would beat the 8600GTS. And I pointed out in my first post that it was OC - another fact you chose to ignore.

To Krippy:

I stand by my original post - the 7900GS OC is a reasonable alternative especially as a card to hold you over till November or a little longer when you contemplates getting an 8800GTS. That the 8600GTS MIGHT outperform the 7900 GS OC on games 6 months or 1 year or 2 years from now seems irrlevant to me given your decision framework. What is relevant is that the the 8600GTS would cost 30-50% more today.
September 8, 2007 10:44:37 PM

rockyjohn said:
Wow - Your arrogant attacks just don't stop do they? Where is my hard hat? Anyone have a football helmet they can loan me?


Perhaps it's not a football helmet you need. You probably need to educate yourself by reading recent articles and stop trying to compare a 2 year old game like FEAR. We all know FEAR was a game based on 2 year old trends.

One thing though 8600gts does quite well once you take out AA. Beating out 7900gs in FEAR. :( 

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0707/itogi...

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0707/itogi...

How do I know this you say? Let's educate Mr. ignorance. Since 7900gs has more TMU it does better in AA not to mention it has more memory bandwidth. Once you take out what 7900gs is good at you get truth from both side of the fence.


Let me remind you of your earlier post. You stated "Again 7900gs is a bad buy NOW if you look at modern game benchmarks. It has a hard time even matching a 8600gt which cost less BTW. " said:

Let me remind you of your earlier post. You stated "Again 7900gs is a bad buy NOW if you look at modern game benchmarks. It has a hard time even matching a 8600gt which cost less BTW. "


Totally. It's a bad buy. Not worth it when it has a hard time hanging with a 8600gt in modern games with only half the memory bandwidth. Bioshock, oblivion, stalker, Rainbow six shows this. Based on this knowledge I can also predict it will also be slower in Gears of War and Unreal 3. Many more games that is also based on this engine.



Now above we have the 7900GS matching the 8600GTS - which is about 20 -25% faster than the 8600GT. Thank you mousemonkey for posting the August benchmark on F.E.A.R. which shows the 7900GS outperforming both the 8600GTS and an 8600GT OC by over 15%. said:

Now above we have the 7900GS matching the 8600GTS - which is about 20 -25% faster than the 8600GT. Thank you mousemonkey for posting the August benchmark on F.E.A.R. which shows the 7900GS outperforming both the 8600GTS and an 8600GT OC by over 15%.


Again FEAR is a 2 year old game which 7900gs did well on with Anti Aliasing. But in modern games it doesn't do so well.


I am still waiting for the link for the 8600GT that shows it to be less than the 7900GS (or $100 AR) as you originally stated. Above you state you have seen if from $85-90. This is not a history course. Where can you purchase it for even $100 now? said:

I am still waiting for the link for the 8600GT that shows it to be less than the 7900GS (or $100 AR) as you originally stated. Above you state you have seen if from $85-90. This is not a history course. Where can you purchase it for even $100 now?


Last month you could have bought a 8600gt for this much. I do not know where the deal is now. I don't keep track of prices for every single video cards especially when I already have a faster card.

If you really want to know where you can buy 8600gt for $100 go search newegg. They have them for $100.

Actually here's one for $95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I don't know where your $20 comes from, but this is not about breaking the bank. It is about the accuracy and veracity of your statements. It is about your credibility. said:
I don't know where your $20 comes from, but this is not about breaking the bank. It is about the accuracy and veracity of your statements. It is about your credibility.


You can get a 8600gts for $130 after rebate. Far as credibility I have quite a bit of knowledge how video cards and cpu render and work. I gave you links which you ignore. I can't help your ignorance.

the 7900GS for $100 is already factory OC. The core clock is about 16% above the reference spec. So in some of the benchmarks you presented, where the 8600GTS did only marginally better than a standard 7900GS, this overclocked version would beat the 8600GTS. And I pointed out in my first post that it was OC - another fact you chose to ignore. said:
the 7900GS for $100 is already factory OC. The core clock is about 16% above the reference spec. So in some of the benchmarks you presented, where the 8600GTS did only marginally better than a standard 7900GS, this overclocked version would beat the 8600GTS. And I pointed out in my first post that it was OC - another fact you chose to ignore.


But you are still ignoring my links. The link I gave you is the same card. BFG 7900gs OC card... Here's the link again. As you can see with some older games BFG 7900gs OC is hair faster while tied to most, nothing major. Once shader intensive games like stalker, oblivion was benchmarked it doesn't do so well. Loses on lost planet by a hair too. :( 

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8600_gts...



To Krippy:

I stand by my original post - the 7900GS OC is a reasonable alternative especially as a card to hold you over till November or a little longer when you contemplates getting an 8800GTS. That the 8600GTS MIGHT outperform the 7900 GS OC on games 6 months or 1 year or 2 years from now seems irrlevant to me given your decision framework. What is relevant is that the the 8600GTS would cost 30-50% more today. said:

To Krippy:

I stand by my original post - the 7900GS OC is a reasonable alternative especially as a card to hold you over till November or a little longer when you contemplates getting an 8800GTS. That the 8600GTS MIGHT outperform the 7900 GS OC on games 6 months or 1 year or 2 years from now seems irrlevant to me given your decision framework. What is relevant is that the the 8600GTS would cost 30-50% more today.


That's great. That's you opinion. No one is going to take your opinion away. But the fact still stands. 7900gs doesn't do so well in recently released games compared to 1950pro or the 8600gts. Let me remind you people also look for image quality when gaming. Geforce 7 is seriously lacking in this dept not to mention it doesn't do dx10 effects. :( 

http://techreport.com/articles.x/11211/6
September 8, 2007 11:18:40 PM

chuckshissle said:
Getting a DX10 card would be a good idea.


For his price range a DX10 card actually would be a pretty bad idea, much better DX9 cards can be had for the performance given by DX10 ones until you get to the 8800gts.
September 9, 2007 12:04:44 AM

Hatman said:
For his price range a DX10 card actually would be a pretty bad idea, much better DX9 cards can be had for the performance given by DX10 ones until you get to the 8800gts.


Everything has a price. 1950xt is very good card and it does well in recently released games but it's missing in action or it cost $200. At this price though you should really wait for 8700gts. Newegg had some open box ones for $160 and I linked to another guy in the forum but within few hours it was gone. :( 

1950pro is ever slightly faster than 8600gts some times while it's neck and neck most of the time. It's nothing worth mentioning honestly. Why not have dx10 and superior HDCP functions? Remind you these g8x cores have greatly improved in image quality over the Geforce 7 series and it is slightly better than 1950pro. Superior in AA algorithms. Like 8xAA 16xAA as well.

8600gts aren't really that bad and compare nicely to 1950pro. I had 1950 pro prior to this card and I'm really impressed with geforce 8 series image quality.
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