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August 26, 2007 11:24:13 PM

Hi- noobie here. This is my first build. What I've selected thus far comes to more than I wanted to spend actually already, so if there are suggested replacement of parts please make them around the same price or slightly less. I feel that in theory here I have created a computer that is well suited for gaming and is easily upgradeable. What I tried to do was put the money where the performance is. Let me know how I did here.

$59.99 - Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-BA Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
For a case I wanted to go cheap and cool.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$74.99 - Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$219.99 - SAMSUNG 906BW Black 19" 2 ms (GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$299.99 - EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$61.99 - Rosewill RP550-2 550W,ATX12V v2.01 Power Supply 115/230V CSA, CB, TUV, FCC, UL - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$139.99 - G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$204.99 - Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$124.99 - GIGABYTE GA-N650SLI-DS4 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$29.99 - SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$17.99 - Sony NEC Optiarc Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1615/B2s - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$89.99 - Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2B 1 Pack - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1683...




What do you think? I appreciate all suggestions and recommendations.

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August 26, 2007 11:40:58 PM

Nice ram, I'll change to that. The card though... I don't think I'll have enough need for the 640 mb with a 19" or 20" monitor using 1680 x 1050 at the most. Yes I would prefer it but like I said I'm already over my limit there.
August 26, 2007 11:43:55 PM

Only thing with that ram is it doesn't look to have EEP. But I really don't know how much EEP helps ram, I know it adds to the cost.

Maybe someone else can reply that knows?
August 27, 2007 12:07:02 AM

I second the Crucial Ballisix suggested by Seraphic. It's great RAM and will save you $70.

You could save another $20 by going with one of these Coolermaster cases:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119047
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106

I don't think you need the DVD-ROM unless you copy a LOT of CD/DVDs.

Don't go with that PSU. It is really low quality. I wouldn't trust running an E6750 and 8800GTS on that thing. For your rig this is a good deal at $70:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139003

The only problem is that it doesn't have room to grow. That PSU is solid, but it won't do SLI (although at 1440x900, you don't need to do SLI). For better upgrade potential, check out this at $115:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001

Now that's a sweet PSU for that price.
August 27, 2007 12:19:38 AM

Thanks quertycopter. The ram suggestion is a lock- already in my wishlist in place of the GSkill.

The case- I initially had the first Coolermaster case you suggest there on my list but started to worry about space for the Video card. Will those two work together?

I'll switch to the Corsair PSU if the 450 watts will be enough for the system.

Thanks for the suggestions guys! It's been very helpful.
August 27, 2007 12:30:07 AM

Yes, the 8800GTS will fit. It will extend into the hard drive area, preventing a drive in that location. Luckily these cases come with a bunch of 3.5 internal bays, just install the hard drive in a lower bay.

The Corsair 450 provides 33 Amps on the +12V rail. The extreme PSU calculator says your system only needs 24 Amps on +12V. Should work great. I usually add 15% to the caluclator, to be safe. That's still well within range (27.6 Amps).
August 27, 2007 1:16:20 AM

qwerty- do you contend then that the Coolermaster would be as good or better than the Sunbeam? I'll go ahead and go with that Corsair PSU too.

mousemonkey- I had entertained SLI possibilities for future upgrade ability but I think you may be on to something there. Before the SLI board I had my sights set on this Gigabyte board. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Which would be better between that Gigabyte and that second Abit you suggest there?
August 27, 2007 1:37:55 AM

I would get a GA-P35-S3L and a Corsair 520HX.

Maybe take out the DVD-ROM. You can always copy DVD to DVD with a single drive and it's actually improving your chances of a good burn. Apart from that, why would you need 2 DVD drives, to watch two movies at the same time? (Note to self: try this :)  )
August 27, 2007 1:49:08 AM

TBH its down to personal preference I could argue that the Gigabyte might not have a HDMI header for the graphic card but I'm not sure if it does or not, I just like the Abit boards and have not had any problems with them and I do notice that a lot of posts from people with problems usually begin 'GA - <insert number> or Asus _ <insert number> not posting, bios problem, blue screen etc.' but not many Abit problems and as such I think they should be considered a bit more often rather than just suggesting that you get the same thing that everyone else gets, and I like to set trends rather than follow them. :sol: 
August 27, 2007 1:56:09 AM

But anyhow we can agree that 650i is best avoided, right? Something based on P35 sounds best here.
August 27, 2007 2:04:14 AM

Seraphic- nice cases but a little more than I want to spend.

aevm- I've already aced that second dvd rom- good idea.

I'll have to decide between the Gigabyte and Abit, but definitely one of the two- that SLI is gone.

Theres these choices going through my head as well-

This monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

vs. this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

and this cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

vs. this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 27, 2007 2:11:34 AM

For sure, I think the 650i was superseded by the 680i which is now almost a year old itself and as such a new one must be on the horizon and I don't know if either can run at 1333 FSB. For a single card solution the P35 is the only chipset to consider at this moment in time IMHO.
August 27, 2007 2:11:48 AM

Well the CPU decision is easy. Go with the E6750 over the E6600. It'd cheaper, faster, and newer tech.
August 27, 2007 2:15:26 AM

E6750 no contest, no debate and no argument end. :p 
August 27, 2007 2:16:38 AM

Damm, qwertycopter beat me to it. :kaola: 
August 27, 2007 2:25:19 AM

Cool then cpu is decided upon. That Q6600 is sweet but definitely above my spending limit. This thing is really shaping up!
August 27, 2007 3:05:25 AM

A decent RAM and PSU combo to consider.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
Thermaltake Purepower W0129RU ATX12V 600 W Power Supply 115/230 V CE, FCC, UL, CUL, TUV certification - Retail
Item=N82E16820231098&SubCategory=147&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1

$155 with $30 MIR = $125!! Try and beat that for decent PSU and Memory!!
August 27, 2007 3:27:32 AM

Holy smokes nice deals guys! I'm going for that PSU/ram combo! And that XFX 8800 as well most likely. Thanks!
August 27, 2007 3:31:25 AM

How is the E6750 vs Q6600 (G0 Stepping)?
August 27, 2007 3:33:07 AM

These moniters have a contrast ratio better than the 20" monitor you posted at the same price

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And this monitor is significantly better than the 19" you posted, as it has a better contrast ratio and is bigger for only $20 more, but you still need speakers with all of the choices.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would go with a monitor 20"+ because you will get a 8800GTS (the 40% increase in price for the 640Gb only gives a 5%-10% increase in preformance atresolutions you won't use for a 20" monitor)
August 27, 2007 3:53:15 AM

You might want to consider an Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU. I just purchased one online from Frys on sale for $49.99 - NO rebate required - marked down from $89.99. A real deal.

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/5086635

The sale started Friday so it might be ending soon.

You might also find this link helpful: Recommended Sub-$150, high-efficiency PSU's

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1460

You will see the Antec Earthwatts PSU on the list and at the above sale price it is 1/2 to 1/3 of most other items listed.

That same website also has a review on this PSU:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=51&page_...
August 27, 2007 4:06:28 AM

Seraphic said:
someguyperson,

How much of a performance boost does the 8800GTX 768MB have over the 8800GTS 640MB?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


It can be huge, depending on resolution and game and settings.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=707&model2=706&chart=297

If you go with E6750/8800GTX or even better Q6600/8800GTX I'm sure your games will run very nicely for at least 2 years. However, you'd need a more powerful PSU, for example a 620HX. Also be careful with the 8800 GTX because it won't fit in some cases, it's 11" long.
August 27, 2007 4:16:18 AM

Hi aevm,

I would be using this computer for maybe one or two games. The rest of the time it would be for high definition video capture/editing 720x480p/1280x720p/1920x1080i. Along with image/sound recording/editing.

Was thinking about a Q6600 (G0 Stepping) with the 8800GTX. (As you know, the other cpu you talked about has more FSB but less cores). As for the PSU, wouldn't a 750w or higher be better? I was planning on doing lots of OCing to the CPU/RAM. Was looking at four sticks of this ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 27, 2007 5:14:43 AM

Someguyperson said:

And this monitor is significantly better than the 19" you posted, as it has a better contrast ratio and is bigger for only $20 more, but you still need speakers with all of the choices.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would go with a monitor 20"+ because you will get a 8800GTS (the 40% increase in price for the 640Gb only gives a 5%-10% increase in preformance atresolutions you won't use for a 20" monitor)


Think I'm going with this one here. It's a little bit more but looks to be worth it. Thanks for the suggestion.
August 27, 2007 5:18:26 AM

The Q6600 would be perfect for the video editing, much better than a dual-core CPU.

Does 1920x1080i mean you need a monitor with a width of 1920 pixels? Those come in 24" sizes or more, and they're still expensive. A monitor like that does need an 8800 GTX for some of the more demanding games.

That memory sounds like a great deal. Nice price, great brand. I suppose you need to find a friend to order half of it to actually get rebates on both pairs of sticks, but I'm not sure. Maybe find something that comes in 2GB sticks, to allow upgrading to 8 GB later? It depends on the motherboard, of course.

My PC includes a Q6600, BFG Geforce 8800GTX OC2, PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W Silencer, GA-P35C-DS3R. It works really nicely. You could get the GA-P35-DS3R and save $30 over the P35C. The Silencer is the best 750W PSU in the world as far as I know. Look at www.anandtech.com in the PSU section, great reviews there. Highly recommended, especially if you plan to add lots of TV tuners and hard disks.

About the motherboard - one thing I really like about the GA-P35C-DS3R is that it allows a 8800 GTX and 3 PCI cards to be used at the same time. I don't know of others that can do that. For example some Asus models have the PCI slots too close to the PCI-E 16x and the video card blocks a PCI slot. You may not have a modem or an X-Fi but you will have TV tuners, I guess. When I install the TV tuner I'll actually have all 3 PCI slots in use.

I'm guessing that the video editing will require tons of hard disk space. The PC P&C has enough connectors for 4 SATA hard disks and a SATA DVD-RW. I think it can handle more if I buy some splitters but I'll worry about that next year.
August 27, 2007 7:33:46 AM

pc p&c is loud. Keep that in mind, as far as it being the best in the world its hard to beat the enermax galaxy series. Yes the rails are stable but there is a fair amount of ripple on the P&C's, in any case it is excelent but in terms of noise generated it ranks among the loudest, ever.
August 27, 2007 2:33:39 PM

Well, I did say best 750W PSU. Yes, the Galaxy is better, but it comes in 850W or 1000W versions (at least that's what I found at newegg) and that's overkill for a single-card system. They're rather expensive too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand every good PSU will get loud when pushed close to the limit. It has to, because the alternative would be to keep the fan moving slowly and allow heat to build up. I can't hear my PC P&C, but I haven't pushed it much so far, true.

Is there anything under, say, $150, that you'd recommend here?
August 27, 2007 3:36:02 PM

A PSU for under $150?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

How about one from PC P&C?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This might not have enough voltage, but it is a modular PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I wold also highly recomend a Q6600, if your budget allows. With a G0 steping it can hit 3Gz on stock cooling and voltage, but the one with B3 steping hardly works on stock. MAKE SHURE YOU GET A G0 ONE. As for VGA, the 8800GTX costs at least $500 whereas a 8800GTS 320Mb costs at least $280 ($250 after rebate), so for nearly double the price, you get a ~50% increase in preformance. the GTX is still a good choice, but it doesn't quite have the bang for buck the GTS 320Mb gives.
August 30, 2007 5:26:47 AM

Ok after making some updates this is where I'm at now.


$239.99- LG L206WTY-BF Black 20" 2ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor W/ f-Engine and Tilt Adjustment 300 cd/m2 3000:1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$74.99- Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$79.99- CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX ATX12V V2.2 450W Power Supply 90 - 264 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$84.99 ($45 rebate)- XION Stacker XON-791B Black Steel Chassis with Aluminum Front Door ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$34.99- PHILIPS 2-Tone 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$109.99 ($40 rebate)- Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

$94.99- GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$89.99- Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2B 1 Pack - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

$204.99- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

$49.99 (-$15.00 combo break)- Rosewill RCX-Z3 92mm Ball CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

$279.65- eVGA GeForce 8800GTS Superclocked 320mb PCIe
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...


Comes to about $1470 shipped. I still need to choose a keyboard/mouse combo too but this is most of it.








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