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August 27, 2007 9:59:34 PM

Hi everyone, Newbie here,
these are great forums and ive learned alot over time.Now i need to ask for some advice.

Im looking to build a new pc for All the cool games coming out.This rig will be for gaming only,I only have about 1000 bucks.

Ive had some experience with overclocking AMD64 chips,(my current rig is still going strong after 2yrs.) What i seem to be getting is that the Intels are now actually better for OC.All my machines have been AMD CPUs and Asus MB.Im Sure i can handle the Intel side of OC after some research.

Anyhoo, Keeping to my old ways this is the parts i was looking at to buy,Advice on this rig as well as Advice on the possibilities of me goin to Intel and trying to get all i can outta OCing. I want to milk The best performance i can get on my weak budget, But being able to maintain a reliable gaming rig.

THANKS!!!

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Update EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
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Update Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
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Subtotal: $974.92








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August 28, 2007 12:14:39 AM

to be honest i think your better of getting the e6750 with a p35 board, ie the gigabyte p35 ds3r. the core 2 duo's will over clock much better than the amd cpu's, i would only recommend amd if you have a small budget so your better of getting the e6750 2.66ghz and oc to 3.7ghz.
August 28, 2007 12:43:09 AM

thanx for the reply, Can you recommend an OC friendly memory? For your suggested setup, sounds more promising.the 50$ difference is well made up for it in its OC abilities.

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August 28, 2007 12:49:59 AM

OC friendly memory probably 2GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800/1066
August 28, 2007 1:22:40 AM

thanks for the replies!
another question, Is it a good time to invest in a 8800 video card?
or just get a 7900 PCIe card to hold me off? Those 8800 are so pricey and i really havnt heard of them being that great seeing how DX 10 is in its infancy. Hmm confusing stuff.
August 28, 2007 4:38:10 AM

I say, go with 320MB 8800GTS. They are not that expensive (around USD 250).
For the next 2-5 years from now, a DX-10 card is a better investment, unless you don't have the budget.

And gigabyte p35 ds3r,ds4, and their brothers already have a good sound card onboard. You may not need to buy a sound card (try it on first before spending money on an extra soundcard. Perhaps you can spare some money from it.)

OC friendly memories 2GB DDR2 800Crucial Ballistix, Corsair, Kingston, and Patriot (it is better not the economic version, if your gonna OC it). Go for DDR2 800 for now, cause the faster versions (1066, etc.) are more expensive and keep your eyes off the DDR3, they have monstrous prices.
August 28, 2007 5:25:26 AM

emp said:
OC friendly memory probably 2GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800/1066


What he said! Crucial can handle big overclocks. Go with the Core 2 Duo's (E6750) they OC so well, I got a 1200MHz OC on mine.
August 28, 2007 6:45:11 AM

All Crucial Ballistix use the same Micron D9GMH chips, which are known for awesome overclocking abilities. I have a pair right now that did 4-4-4-12 @ 960Mhz with 2.25 volts!
August 28, 2007 8:53:46 PM

The X-fi Extremegamer can be found for 79$ at Zipzoom..FIY
August 29, 2007 1:17:51 AM

thanks again everyone, theres so much out there its good to get a break down.
anyway i think this will be my new rig

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$49.99

Update GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$129.99

Update EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
$289.99

Update Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6750 - Retail
$204.99

Update Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AA804 - Retail
$109.99

Update Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$67.99

Subtotal: $852.94

thanks again.
August 29, 2007 1:51:26 AM

You have the PC parts there to make a possibly great overclock with the CPU, ram and mobo combo. Not that the stock performance wouldn't be great to. Good luck on you build. Did you want a CPU cooler for OC'ing?
August 29, 2007 3:12:51 AM

systemlord said:
You have the PC parts there to make a possibly great overclock with the CPU, ram and mobo combo. Not that the stock performance wouldn't be great to. Good luck on you build. Did you want a CPU cooler for OC'ing?



yeah!
i was looking at this one from newegg:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
what do you think?

how about PSU's? I currently have an Antec true power trio 650w. is this good enough?
thanks.
August 29, 2007 4:53:20 AM

hellbanger said:
yeah!
i was looking at this one from newegg:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
what do you think?

how about PSU's? I currently have an Antec true power trio 650w. is this good enough?
thanks.


I have to recommend the Tuniq Tower 120 as its one of the best performing coolers out now. It will fit any standard ATX case so don't worry it'll fit. This cooler has a 120mm fan @2100RPM's in its center for a push-pull effect, sucks in air on one side and blows air out the other. NewEgg has them for $64.99 now. Don't even think you can put a better fan in this cooler, cause its that good. Just if your wondering I have a mid tower PC case and I have a little more than 1/4 of an inch clearance.

August 29, 2007 10:44:53 PM

looks good.
anyone know anything about the psu i have? Will it be a good overclocking PSU?
August 30, 2007 12:06:54 AM

I think you are a bit more than a n00b :) 

Solid choices, but for RAM I'd go Crucial, PSU: go Thermaltake or Seasonic, and here is my opinion: grab a Soundblaster OEM 24 bit or the next step up (should be 20-30 bucks) but it has Surround and use the money saved to go 640MB on the Videocard, you'd be bummed if all the latest games force you to use Med. Textures (like GRAW 1 did).

BUT Soundcards are a funny thing. To some people, they can really tell the difference, but if you bang around in FPS games, I personally don't see the point. But if you can trade off, still have Surround on a Creative Labs card, you'd have 640MB of vram for pretty much the same price.

But I think that ALOT of people would disagree, so take this with a grain of salt. Hope this helps BRO! P.S. Stick with Evga, step-up program may come in REALLY handy with 9x series coming...
August 30, 2007 12:14:57 AM

Oops, forgot to mention for OC, here is a good guide. Stick to stock volts, or even work up from a mild undervolt, you can't really go wrong once you are sure that your CPU is correctly mounted by monitoring the temps after running Prime95 for an hour or 2. After that, you can start slowly working through this guide.

You could also do away with the stock thermal paste by cleaning it off and using Arctic Silver 5, it keeps the CPU a few degrees cooler, which is nice, but don't overwhelm yourself too much. Get a buddy to help you!!

http://icrontic.com/articles/overclocking_on_754939_pla...

later.
August 30, 2007 2:10:01 AM

" Antec true power trio 650w"

I was wondering if this is good enough for OC seeing how i already have it.
All advice is appreciated. Im startin out but i do my best to research.I got several OC guides saved and not all of them are the same.
I appreciate the Link and have added it to my favorites.

About the vid memory the stuff ive been reading is it really only comes to play on higher resolutions. My screen is 17" LCD and ill probaly never have anything larger than 19", @0-21" if i ever get into some more extra cash.
OH well more things to keep checkin.
thanks again
August 30, 2007 5:00:13 AM

For awesome cooling system I recomend zalman cnps9700.
It is as cool as ice, look so cool, and can fly so silent like an eagle, but a little big though.
Or you can choose cnps9500 if 9700 is to big for you. (I have tried to dismount the fan and use 9500 as passiv cooler, it worked fine without OC. I haven't tried it with OC. (With pentium D805))
Zalman's fans do have a bad disadvantage : they are expensive.
If are looking a good but cheap cpu fan, you can try the ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7. It works super (but remember, you get what you've paid). And don't forget the artic silver 5 paste to optimize your cooling system.

Try to look at Antec, and Tagan for high performance power supply. These 2 are, I think, 2 of the best marks out there. So, if you already have one of 'em, it is good. Just be sure you have choosen the correct amount of power, not overpower not less.

If you are goinna OC, don't forget also the fans on your case. The airflow should not not be enough. The heat are looking its way out and the new cool air is looking its way in.

The basic priciples in Oc'ing are the same nomatter what are written in what you've read. But, keep up on what you are doing. There is noting wrong with more to information. (specially if this is the first time for you to OC).
OC'ing is fun, is it not? but be carefull, you can get yourshelf addicted to it. :p 

Yup, according to my experience, the memory from GPU does effected the performance only when you are playing in higher resolution.
August 30, 2007 7:28:53 AM

About the Vram hellbanger is right, if you only have under 512Mb Vram then most games will limit the use of high quality textures and force you to use med. textures reguardles of the size of your monitor. DirectX 10 games are going to be memory hungry, and most already are. GRAW 1 & 2, Oblivion using ultra textures just to name a few. Even if you have a 15" LCD you will be limited.
August 31, 2007 12:46:22 AM

If you're willing to put down a few more dollars and open to the thought of OCing, then I'd suggest this.

Case: Centurion 543 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Nicer case. 2 120mm fans.
You can use the Centurion 5 if you want.


CPU: E2160 $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: Gigabyte DS3L $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Solid mobo with the P35. Good OCer.

RAM: A-DATA Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cheap RAM.
Why this over the expensive stuff? Timings don't mean as much for non-AMD machines.


GPU: MSI NX8800GTX-T2D768E-HD OC GeForce 8800GTX $500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The card is already fast and you can OC it to 8800Ultra speeds. It is as fast as some stock Ultras already.
If you want a gaming monster, more money should be in the video card rather than the RAM.


PSU: Antec True Power Trio 650W $95
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=PS-TP3-650&c=fr
52A on the 12v, it is good enough. SeaSonic OEM.

DVD: Generic $30
Pick whatever you want.

HD: Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500JS 250GB $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Good HD. That's about it.

HSF: Tuniq Tower 120 $50
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1449/cpu-tnq-01/Tuniq...
GREAT air cooler. It's a giant cooling machine.

Cost: $1045
August 31, 2007 1:35:11 AM

sanjiwatsuki said:
If you're willing to put down a few more dollars and open to the thought of OCing, then I'd suggest this.

Case: Centurion 543 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Nicer case. 2 120mm fans.
You can use the Centurion 5 if you want.


CPU: E2160 $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: Gigabyte DS3L $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Solid mobo with the P35. Good OCer.

RAM: A-DATA Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cheap RAM.
Why this over the expensive stuff? Timings don't mean as much for non-AMD machines.


GPU: MSI NX8800GTX-T2D768E-HD OC GeForce 8800GTX $500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The card is already fast and you can OC it to 8800Ultra speeds. It is as fast as some stock Ultras already.
If you want a gaming monster, more money should be in the video card rather than the RAM.


PSU: Antec True Power Trio 650W $95
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=PS-TP3-650&c=fr
52A on the 12v, it is good enough. SeaSonic OEM.

DVD: Generic $30
Pick whatever you want.

HD: Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500JS 250GB $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Good HD. That's about it.

HSF: Tuniq Tower 120 $50
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1449/cpu-tnq-01/Tuniq...
GREAT air cooler. It's a giant cooling machine.

Cost: $1045


I agree this seems like a overall better build only costing a tad more and you get an 8800GTX out of it.
August 31, 2007 11:18:34 PM

Thanks Sanji!
Ill have to look into this setup. Im just to damn interested in OCing to not do it.So Far from what ive found online that chip is nice for OC.
It does seem like a better idea, for a gaming rig, to invest in the Vid Card. Isnt 'eyecandy" in the video anyway,And processors are used for tracking bullets and such, basicly the math?
If i can get BioShock,Hellgate: London or crysis to play on full gfx AT 26-30 FPS Ill be more than content,Overkill of components is not necessary,I expect to upgrade again in 2 years anyways.
September 1, 2007 12:24:39 AM

I'm not big on the Antec Trio.
It may be built by Seasonic, but it's not the same platform as the Seasonics, Corsairs, or PCP & Cooling Silencer line.

http://www.jonnyguru.com

The Corsair 520w is a great PSU that should be available for under $100 if you shop around. usually NewEgg is too pricey for PSUs unless you catch a special.
September 1, 2007 6:38:28 AM

zenmaster said:
NewEgg is too pricey for PSUs unless you catch a special.


Yea the SilverStone TJ09 drops in price when I don't quite have all the money yet. I bet when I do have the money it will go back up in price. :pfff: 
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