8800GTS vs 8800GTX

I was just wondering if a highly overclocked 8800GTS can match the performace of the stock 8800GTX. And if it can't, I want to know how high the clock speeds theoretically has to be on a 8800GTS before it can match a stock 8800GTX.

a highly oced 8800 gts CAN outperform or level to the 8800 gtx in games. in the 320mb case you have to oc alot and be at a lower resolution let's a 8800 gtx and uber oc 320 gts at 1280x1024 the gts can make up to the gtx in current games. however as gamers approach dx 10 and higher quality texture graphics memory becomes more important. in that case the gts will not match up to the gtx with only the 320mb of memory. in the 640mb case it's basically the same thing BUT it will last longer then the 320 mb version.

Hmm...I was thinking it like this:
Forget about the vram right now, look at the stream processors. 96vs128 right? So let us assume the 8800GTS is clocked at 575. Then 575/96 X 128=767. So this way you need a 767 mhz 8800GTS to match a 575mhz 8800GTX.

I know this isn't right because the core clock is not the stream processor clock speed, however I read somewhere that if you increase the core clock, the stream processor's clock speeds also increases. Also so there is the shader clock, but that becomes to complicated, too many variables...Am I right you guys?

If you want a GTX, just get it. If you plan on having a good time with 20 games over the next 2 years, that works out to the vcard being a small factor in the total entertainment cost.

Let the newer games sink to 30$ before you buy them, so you are always grabbing cheaper titles for fun, then the new stuff like Bioshock hits 30$ and so-on.

The GTX is a sweet card, don't be dissappointed with a GTS if it IS a GTX you want, OCing the card won't make up all those missing stream processors.

good point spuddyt, wiht video cards, memory usually, umm, and yes, actually overclockign can make up or the stream processors, just like more clock speed can make up for less cache

he said compared to a "stock" gtx (I would make the broad assumption he means not overclocked you know )

You're making some bold assumptions there with regards to the cost of producing a GPU. I doubt that it works out like that in the real world.

Also, consider that all 8800s come from the same production line. After production the lesser quality cores have some of their stream processors and other doodads disabled and they become gts's. The higher quality ones go on to become fully functional gtx's or ultras. The cost to Nvidia for producing the actual GPU (i.e. not including memory buses, PCBs, etc.) is the same. Obviously then the gtx and especially the ultra have higher profit margins than the gts's.

Anyway, despite your whack math, you came to the right conclusion: the gts is a better deal than the gtx.

Shop around for that GTX, I think they are only 100-115$ more than the GTS 640, for gaming I do think the GTX is the best value, if your computer doesn't bottleneck it, you have an adequate PSU, and it fits your case.

If I had a brand new PC, with a Quad in it, I'd definately go GTX. I got a GTS 640 because this comp is in it's last upgrade cycle, and it will tide me over till the Octos come out.

What really sucks is when you buy something lesser to save a few bucks, and you are unhappy with it for the 2+ years you are keeping it for the sake of a 100$.

No math can justify a purchase if it is something you don't really want.

I truly believe that the MAJORITY of people on Toms get exactly what they want, and if it was a bit too $$$ they just wait a bit longer to purchase the next system, again, one that is thoroughly researched and exactly what they want. I mean, if you get a system that you want what is the big deal if you use it for 6 extra months because you paid a little bit more for it at the time?

I have an Opteron, a slow one, that is dual core. But I am happier than a pig in poop to use it for a LONG time, because I like an Opteron.

Nothing feels better than when you hand an old computer to a parent or a friend as a "hand me down" that you got TONS of use out of, to say, that computer was ALOT of fun, and it "owes me nothing".

People get to get a whole new platform so rarely now because the technology is stabilizing so much, if you are going to keep something for a few years make sure you love the case, the PSU, the proc., the RAM, the vCard.

This is a hobby btw, economics don't really count

It's much easier to just look at benchmarks than it is to analyze the GPU architecture and manufacturing costs. I've seen reviews that take the average framerate of all the games tested and dividing that by the price of the cards to come up with a "bang for your buck" number. The 320MB 8800gts always comes out on top (compared to the more expensive 8800s), but that's usually true for all things computer related; you know, diminishing returns...

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I guess...I'll go with what Falken699 said, go with what you want. Cause it is a hobby.

Oh wow. I never thought it like that. I'm in 2, I don't know why anyone would want to spend 10,000+ just for benchmarks...I just hope my 8800GTS will be able to support crysis mostly on high.

category 2 for me (which is why I kicked myself for getting the 8600, I don't shiv a git about HD video)