Bob Miller doesn't actually have a business

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"Mark Crispin" <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
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> Psycho Bob Miller's most recent message was posted Monday morning at
> 02:36:51 New York City time. If he actually was running a business he
> wouldn't be on the net posting newsgroup flames in the wee hours of the
> morning.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> Si vis pacem, para bellum.


Maybe it's not the wee hours of the morning where he is.
--
Bearman
If it's got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it's trouble.

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Jim Waggener wrote:
> "bearman" <noyb@home.com> wrote in message
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>> "Mark Crispin" <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
>> newsine.LNX.4.63.0504041110300.12475@shiva2.cac.washington.edu...
>>> Psycho Bob Miller's most recent message was posted Monday morning at
>>> 02:36:51 New York City time. If he actually was running a business
>>> he wouldn't be on the net posting newsgroup flames in the wee hours
>>> of the morning.
>>>
>>> -- Mark --
>>>
>>> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
>>> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public
>>> debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
>>
>>
>> Maybe it's not the wee hours of the morning where he is.
>> --
>> Bearman
>> If it's got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it's trouble.
>
>
> Where In The World Is .. Bob Miller ....ba daa bump

in 8VSB land.

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Jim Waggener wrote:
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>>"Mark Crispin" <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
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>>>Psycho Bob Miller's most recent message was posted Monday morning at
>>>02:36:51 New York City time. If he actually was running a business he
>>>wouldn't be on the net posting newsgroup flames in the wee hours of the
>>>morning.
>>>
>>>-- Mark --
>>>
>>>http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
>>>Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
>>>Si vis pacem, para bellum.
>>
>>
>>Maybe it's not the wee hours of the morning where he is.
>>--
>>Bearman
>>If it's got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it's trouble.
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>
> Where In The World Is .. Bob Miller ....ba daa bump
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New York, I am on the phone with China, Taiwan and S. Korea a lot lately
and find myself up at odd hours trying to catch certain folk at their desk.

Bob Miller

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In article <1112652166.366792.138810@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"inkyblacks@yahoo.com" <inkyblacks@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> I do not think it is fair or polite to refer to Bob as "psycho." You
> may disagree with his ideas, as I do in many cases, but that is it.
>
Repeated and obviously dishonest/misguided ideas (like Bob's) are very
*very* different from errors or mistakes. There is definitely an
'American' problem, but it is serious in Europe also -- that is
profiteering while taking advantage of people. A good example of
that is the evil 'oil for food' theft, another (but much more minor)
is the subversion of a public good for private profiteering (Bobs
attempt at taking free HDTV and using the spectrum for tampon commercials
on mass transit -- or equivalent nonsense.)

>
> America has really sunken into a state of ugly minded rudeness which
> expresses itself on the Web, and that is by far a more serious problem
> than any issues of consumer electronics.
>
There are repeated liars all over the world, and it is time to be honest
rather than being overly diplomatic. All too often, an overly diplomatic
language and thinking process starts to distort thinking (some thinking
does transpire in a 'language.')

For one, I applaud straight talk. Equivocation and duplicity should
be condemned or at least, shunned.

John

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, inkyblacks@yahoo.com wrote:
> I do not think it is fair or polite to refer to Bob as "psycho."

It is an accurate description of his behavior.

> Other countries are much more
> polite and mature than the USA

Only someone with minimal knowledge of the world outside the US would
believe such nonsense.

> America is no longer respected, and with good reason.

Clue to the clueless:

You don't get respect by begging people to like you.

People in other countries don't give you respect for making statements
such as "America is no longer respected, and with good reason". They
think that you are an idiot, and an ignorant one at that.

In "The Mikado", Gilbert and Sullivan made reference to
the idiot who praises,
with enthusiastic tone;
every century but this,
and every country but his own
as being on the executioner's list of people who will never be missed.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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Richard wrote:
> Let's stop this now. We all know how dangerious it can be to damage
> someones self-esteem. I find Bob's rants, no make that postings,
> rather entertaining.
> Richard.

As long as the entertainment is in the form of 8VSB......

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Sir, I have spent half of my life in other countries. Everything you
are saying and thinking is simply wrong. But no one can tell an
oblivious American that America has become a bastion of arrogance and
adolescent behavior. The world knows it, and that is why we are so
disliked. Save vitriol for politicians. For discussion of something
as minor as electronics there is no excuse for harshness and lack of
respect for other people.

IB

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In all honesty this doesn't tell us much. Perhaps he's just an investor
or owner and doesn't have much to do with the day to day operations
-or- more plausibe, his business is in grave danager because of poor
management decisions based on someone (not to drop any names) "grand
vision" of a COFDM modulation adoption in the US, followed by a "new
bread of subscription based over-the-air content providers". Bob does
not deny having invested in his ideas. By default that makes him an
unreliable source on the subject, it would be a conflict on interest
for Bob to be objective and openly support 8VSB and everything behind
it (including the FCC mandate), it would be a conflict of interest for
Bob to acknowledge the success of HDTV by the metrics most of us would
use (e.g. available content), instead you'll notice Bob's post are
driven by statistical study's and often references to other parts of
the world, almost always related to DTV transition based on OTA and
almost never about HDTV over subscription based satellite or cable (the
way most of US watch television in the US)..

To say Bob lives in his own world isn't quite accurate. With ever post
Bob continues his desperate cry to pull others into his grand vision
idea. Not knowing the specifics of what his business does, it comes
across as gasping for that last breath. His window is quickly closing
and soon his argument will have no merit, for any rational thinking
person this is already the case.

The wave of evidence against Bobs theories continues to build.

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Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com wrote:
> In all honesty this doesn't tell us much. Perhaps he's just an investor or owner and doesn't have much to do with the day to day operations
> -or- more plausibe, his business is in grave danager because of poor management decisions based on someone (not to drop any names) "grand
> vision" of a COFDM modulation adoption in the US, followed by a "new bread of subscription based over-the-air content providers". Bob does
> not deny having invested in his ideas. By default that makes him an unreliable source on the subject, it would be a conflict on interest
> for Bob to be objective and openly support 8VSB and everything behind it (including the FCC mandate), it would be a conflict of interest for
> Bob to acknowledge the success of HDTV by the metrics most of us would use (e.g. available content), instead you'll notice Bob's post are
> driven by statistical study's and often references to other parts of the world, almost always related to DTV transition based on OTA and
> almost never about HDTV over subscription based satellite or cable (the way most of US watch television in the US)..
>
> To say Bob lives in his own world isn't quite accurate. With ever post Bob continues his desperate cry to pull others into his grand vision
> idea. Not knowing the specifics of what his business does, it comes across as gasping for that last breath. His window is quickly closing
> and soon his argument will have no merit, for any rational thinking person this is already the case.
>
> The wave of evidence against Bobs theories continues to build.
>

Not quite accurate. I have laid out my situation before but you either
have not seen it or take no note of it for other reasons.

Simply we are a startup and have a business plan, plans that have been
evolving over the years with every expectation that soon we would be
able to implement one of them or some new iteration.

Today it is using 5th gen LG receivers equivalent to the prototype we
tested last summer to build a wireless cable venture in major cities. To
do that we only need a decent 8-VSB receiver that works plug and play
for fixed reception. No mobile though that figures into the scheme that
I cannot talk about.

Initially we were planning on opportunistic datacasting back in 1998/99
and were very excited about the progress of 8-VSB and the news that it
would work easily with indoor antennas and mobile. When that proved to
be a KNOWING LIE by 8-VSB proponents I became an instant adversary of
those advocates who still infest the system. Understand that we were
lied to right to our face and then we spent good money and time wasted
because of those blatant and KNOWING lies.

Our opportunistic datacasting venture would have been similar to
Qualcomm's COFDM cell phone venture. We however did not have access to
our own spectrum and planned on using broadcasters spectrum. Our venture
messed very well with the broadcast of HDTV because a single DTV channel
can only handle on HDTV broadcast whose data rate varies because of the
compression MPEG2 (variable bit rate). It varies so much that much of
the data carrying capacity of the 6 MHz channel is wasted most of the
time. By broadcasting non real time data we could use these wasted bits
to deliver lots of services to mobile, portable and fixed devices. Our
use of the spectrum would have zero effect on the HD broadcast.

We were natural allies of HD proponents because one of the other options
for broadcasters was to do multicasting of many programs or of an
additional program with the HD program that would take up real space and
compete for bits with the HD program and tempt the broadcaster to lower
the bitrate for the HD program. Our services including the delivery or
all resolutions of video including HD files would have been more
valuable than multicasting and would have killed interest in it in our
opinion.

Key to our plan was mobile however and 8-VSB proponents created a whole
slew of lies to kill COFDM including the lie that mobile datacasting
would kill HD. It was exactly the opposite. Mobile datacasting would
have killed multicasting and allowed HD all the room it needed in the 6
MHz channel including the entire 19.34 Mbps data rate whenever it was
needed.

8-VSB killed that idea but other spectrum was becoming available.
Auctions were supposed to take place for channels above #51 in 2000 but
broadcasters got the FCC to delay these auctions. Remember the entire HD
DTV transition was started by broadcasters as a delaying tactic to save
this spectrum above Channel #51 and it remains a delaying tactic even to
this day.

Why delay? Because they think of this spectrum as belonging to them by
some kind of birth rite and because they fear that any new owners will
use it to compete with them. And they are very right.

Broadcasters got Congress and the FCC to delay these Auctions for years
until in 2002 after the House had voted unanimously to delay them one
more time INDEFINITELY, Senator Stevens of Alaska (new Chairman of the
Commerce Committee BTW overseer of the FCC and their BOSS) stepped in
and put up a bill in the Senate that after compromise allowed three
stations to be sold at Auctions #44 and #49.

Problem is the broadcasters still got a gotcha in that. Though we own
the spectrum bought at those Auctions we can't use it until the
transition is over and guess you is still working to delay the
transition? Broadcasters. And they have that neat little clause that
says 85% of US households must have digital before the transition is over.

AND they have 8-VSB. They use 8-VSB every time that they are witnesses
before Congress to keep the delay going and to ask for MUST CARRY. How
convenient to have a modulation that does not work (AND THEY TELL
CONGRESS JUST HOW BAD IT WORKS--- AND THEY TELL CONGRESS THAT AMERICANS
DO NOT WANT TO PUT UP ANTENNAS).

Non functioning 8-VSB has been a big help in the quest for must carry
and still is as long as that hope remains alive. I see now that Powell
is gone as Chairman of the FCC that the new one, Martin, wasted no time
in convincing Commissioner Copps to switch his no vote on must carry to
a yes most likely in only a couple of weeks. I wonder what Copps got for
that? Something real big because broadcasters would pay almost anything
for that. They have spent hundreds of millions lobbying for it.

So we bought spectrum we own but can not use. We were lied to by 8-VSB
proponents as was Congress. We are waiting for a transition that will
not transition. And at the center of it all is a bogus modulation, 8-VSB
and broadcasters who want to keep competition out at all cost.

For example, Qualcomm owns spectrum bought in Auction #49 that covers
the entire US. They announced that they would start a service in 2006.
They have billions of $$$ and have a business plan that says they would
buy the broadcasters off their spectrum. I don't think the broadcasters
would budge for all the money Qualcomm has. Qualcomm is due for a major
disappointment.

That is the story. Our business plan called for delivering free COFDM HD
capable receivers in 2000. It was a good plan and would have promoted HD
with our common enemy being multicasting. Didn't happen because of lies
and lots of them. Some of them still survive like COFDM needs more power.

So we are not alone anymore. There are now more of us like Qualcomm who
own spectrum and are being denied by broadcasters. But broadcasters are
paying a price or prices. They have to maintain two transmitters and one
of them is most likely in UHF space delivering content to almost no one.
By July most of those UHF station are going full power and the electric
bill is going up TEN FOLD.

And running analog stations is getting more expensive. Transmitter
manufacturers are starting to raise prices big time on spare parts for
analog broadcasters. This is turning into very big money for stuff they
will not need sooner or later. Many broadcasters are facing mounting
risk for transmitter tubes. They are under more pressure from many
fronts to kill analog.

Bob Miller

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In article <l6p4e.773$yq6.512@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Bob Miller <robmx@earthlink.net> writes:
> John S. Dyson wrote:
>
> snipped-
>>
>> No-ones hands are clean, but the supporters of Saddam (which include
>> the French, Parabas (partially owned by Canada), Germany, Russia and
>> Marc Rich -- pardoned) are incredibly dirty, vile people. Those who
>> keep on ignoring the reasons for not supporting the (painful) liberation
>> of the Iraqi people from Saddam are complicit.
>>
>
> snipped
>>
>> John
>>
>
> They didn't support the war to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.
> They had vile business reasons.
>
> Do you think that if Bush had asked the American people to support a
> pre-emptive war for "the (painful) liberation
> of the Iraqi people from Saddam" that he would have gotten one vote in
> either the House or Senate? Not a chance.
>
Anyone who believes that the liberation, oil or WMDs were the sole reasons,
is a little simple minded. Right now, the WMDs (due to the damaged
CIA from Church commission/Clinton damage in 1995) were found to be
mirages. Note that even the French admitted to the WMDs (before the
war.) Well, the French probably sold Saddam numerous dual use pieces
of equipment.

John

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:29:02 GMT, Charles Tieman
<curious8@pacbell.net> wrote:

>On 4 Apr 2005 15:02:46 -0700, "inkyblacks@yahoo.com"
><inkyblacks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I do not think it is fair or polite to refer to Bob as "psycho." You
>>may disagree with his ideas, as I do in many cases, but that is it.
>>America has really sunken into a state of ugly minded rudeness which
>>expresses itself on the Web, and that is by far a more serious problem
>>than any issues of consumer electronics. Other countries are much more
>>polite and mature than the USA, and when they see our posts on the Web
>>it just fortifies the image of the ugly American around the globe.
>>America is no longer respected, and with good reason.
>>
>>IB
>
>
>Thank you, Inky, for providing a rational and mature voice in this
>newsgroup. I agree with all of your comments on the lack of civility
>by Bob Miller's detractors and how this kind of stuff makes Americans
>seem to be ignorant bullies. And why all this on a supposedly
>technical forum on HDTV??

Fine .... you spend several hours each week debunking his lies,
for the benefit of less informed usenet readers..

Talk is cheap.. Now walk the walk..

If you invite them, then it's up to YOU too confront them when
they make misleading statements. BM has made thousands of them.

But, I don't see you correcting his lies..

Then again.. You probably aren't equipped with the proper
background to distinguish the truth from the lies. Thus, your
comments are both hollow and disingenuous.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, David wrote:
> http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/boar [...] p?t=205206

Everybody on this newsgroup should go and read that thread. Psycho Bob
misrepresents the situation in the US as much when he talks to people
overseas just like he misrepresents the situation in the UK, Japan, and
Australia to people on this newsgroup.

Consider these Psycho Bob quotes from that thread:

"We typically have 1000 kW transmitters that are hard to recieve only
blocks away and any transmitter with less than 100 kW is looked at as
severly underpowered. So your reception at 30 miles from a transmitter in
Sutton at either 8 kW or 10 kW is seen as impossible."

"Anyone in the US would be amazed at any kind of reception with the power
levels you have."

"8-VSB, our modulation does not work in the depths of New York City even
with 400 and 800 kW ERP transmitters."

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, D. Stussy wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Mark Crispin wrote:
>> Psycho Bob Miller's most recent message was posted Monday morning at 02:36:51
>> New York City time. If he actually was running a business he wouldn't be on
>> the net posting newsgroup flames in the wee hours of the morning.
> Your conclusion is non-sequitur. People who do business in and with Asia,
> Australia, or Oceanic (Pacific) areas will be close to the END of their
> business day. At 2am EDT, that's about 4pm +/- in the parts of the world I
> just mentioned.

He may be up at that time for business reasons to call Asia, but he
wouldn't be posting newsgroups flames.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.