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HD 2900PRO allmost launched!

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September 17, 2007 9:11:41 PM

several sites here in Holland have it in pre-order!

seems to have the same specs with only slightly lower clocks 600 core and 800 mem vs 740 core and 825 mem for the XT!

only one site shows the specs and it seems to be 512bit!!!!

so overclock and have a cheap XT....... prices listed here: 512mb DDR3 215 euro's ! 1024mb DDR 3 265 euro's !

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/49?keyword=2900+pro&...

http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=341&vi...
September 17, 2007 9:32:47 PM

According to The Techreport and overclockers.net, the official ship date is September 30th. Like you said, the specs are pretty much the same as the XT except for the clock speeds. And it's supposed to be like $140 cheaper.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13227
September 18, 2007 4:43:50 PM

i think if the specs are correct this is a bargain for such a fast card!

as soon as i know it really has the 320 shaders and 512bit i'll go and pick one up.
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September 18, 2007 4:52:44 PM

Yep, if it actual has 320/512 then it's a must buy. Clock and go.
September 18, 2007 4:57:47 PM

I would wait to see how it compares to a 320MB 8800GTS before buying one.
September 18, 2007 4:59:26 PM

...and to see how easily it overclocks.
September 18, 2007 5:17:38 PM

One thing no one is talking about, are these cards going to have the video processing elements that the 2600 and 2400 cards have? I am really interested in building an HTPC that can game well and if these cards can deal well with video encoding, they could be perfect for me.
September 18, 2007 5:26:11 PM

meljor said:
several sites here in Holland have it in pre-order!

seems to have the same specs with only slightly lower clocks 600 core and 800 mem vs 740 core and 825 mem for the XT!

only one site shows the specs and it seems to be 512bit!!!!

so overclock and have a cheap XT....... prices listed here: 512mb DDR3 215 euro's ! 1024mb DDR 3 265 euro's !

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/49?keyword=2900+pro&...

http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=341&vi...

This GPU is a low bin hold back and will have a cheaper HSF. AMD has had about 4 months to hold back GPUs not up to the XT 740 core clock. Point is I wouldn't suggest buying if you expect to get XT OC's. Maybe after a month or 2 letting the low bin sale out. After 2 months if they sale good you may get an XT bin GPU for the pro price.

If the 600MHz is enough tho buy it as it should beat any DX9 GPU. Given its better movie performance it a good buy for those who watch movies and play games on their pc.
a c 172 U Graphics card
September 18, 2007 6:09:27 PM

Is there anyone here who has a 2900XT nice enough to clock theirs down to "pro" speeds and tell us all how fast this card "might" be? Not just 3DMark please, try running a few games.

I wouldn't care if it clocks up to XT speeds. The x1950XT is just behind the 8800GTS 320, while the 2900XT is just over the 8800GTS. If this is somewhere around the price and performance of the 8800GTS 320, then we finally have some competition in the midrange/low highend video card segment. There are no good current gen video cards at the $200 price point. In fact, I think the price of the 8800GTS 320 has been going up.
September 18, 2007 8:16:18 PM

you are right about the slower binned parts.

but the xt should have some headroom to pass the requirements of amd/ati. and they clock well beyond the 740mhz speeds.

so replacing the heatsink+fan with a better one should take it to 740mhz without a problem. one thing that could interfere with that is there are rumors that the pro uses only one power connector since it uses a lot less power. but that rumor is from the time ''they'' all supposed it would be a 256-bit part with 160 shaders.
and lets hope the memory has some headroom left...

i think with an xt core (R600) it should need more than one power connector.

and no, the R600 core does NOT have the video functions of the 2400 and 2600 cards, so the pro doesn't either.

r670 will be his younger brother (probably in november (paper?)launched as hd2950pro with 256bit but much higher clocks) wich will have the video funtions.

btw: latest word on a dutch forum is that a source in england stated the PRO does indeed have 512bit and 320 shaders and that the hd2900xt will very soon be end of life due to yielding problems. and the PRO should be shortly available (since it will be replaced by the cheaper to produce 55nm part HD2950PRO at the end of the year)

HD2900PRO seems to be a temporary answer to the upcoming Nvidia part G92 (8700?) and a descent opponent for the 8800gts 320MB.
September 18, 2007 8:22:00 PM

Its liekly theyll drop the price on the 2900xt too. To really match up to nvidias 8800's.

Shame it isnt 65nm but oh well.
a c 130 U Graphics card
September 18, 2007 10:15:20 PM

This HD2950 pro sounds like it could be (fingers crossed )the card we all thought the HD2900 was going to be i do hope they do it right this time by which i mean having a better balance between shaders / texture units and render back ends.I dont claim to know exactly how it all works exactly but i know that the 2900 was considered lacking in some areas as far as this was concerned.
256 bit wont kill it in my opinion some will groan that it should be 512 as modern games become more texture intensive but then again if this is the Pro then that leaves the XT and posably XTX cards to come? :) 
Do we know if this thing is suposed to need extra power? the reviewers expected the 2600xt to need it but it didnt and this is suposed to be 55nm? Guess it will depend on how high the clocks go.
Mactronix
September 19, 2007 3:01:20 AM

mactronix said:
This HD2950 pro sounds ....


It is NOT a 2950. It is a 2900. That is 2 zeros.

It will be slower than the 2900 XT. It is based on the same manufacturing process (80 nm) as the 2900 XT. The only differences will be the TDP (150 watts on the 2900 Pro vs. 225 watts on the 2900 XT) and the clock speeds of the GPU and memory.

ATI will come out with the next line of Radeons in early 2008 (probably March). R650 or R680 or R700??
a c 130 U Graphics card
September 19, 2007 7:28:04 AM

To Biggins
I guess i should have addresssed my reply to meljor to avoid confusion if you go back up the thread and read what he has posted you will see what i am on about.
Although it is good practice to check through the thread your self before you assume someone else has made an error and correct them ;) 
Mactronix
September 19, 2007 2:18:46 PM

I didn't realize AMD was planning to release two spearate cards before the end of the year. The 2950 is sounding like a great card for my needs. Here's hoping the price/performance come out well.
September 19, 2007 4:55:34 PM

that damn card is keeping me busy!

the inquirer (yes i know) has a link to a site where you can order the 256bit?? 2900pro. but on that same site it is listed a couple of times as a 512bit part! http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a280560.html

so confusing........ i want it if 512bit, hate it (probably) when it's 256bit......

and still not a word from amd about it.
September 19, 2007 5:00:21 PM

I really wish the companies were more forward about their future plans. Look at the processors. The roadmaps are pretty clear allowing me to decide whether to wait or buy soon. The GPU market is such a crapshoot when it comes to new releases.
September 19, 2007 5:01:26 PM

It's gonna have to sell for the same price as the 8800GTS 320MB, or less, to be competitive, given the fact that the 8800GTS 320MB is not much slower than the HD 2900XT and already priced much lower.
September 19, 2007 5:05:00 PM

please read? it's just 215 euro/dollar!
September 19, 2007 5:06:05 PM

if its 256 that still owns the 8600 (i think, I didn't check)
September 19, 2007 5:44:49 PM

Most of this is just speculation. Why can't you just wait until some solid information arrives from a reputable source?
September 19, 2007 5:51:42 PM

Anoobis said:
Most of this is just speculation. Why can't you just wait until some solid information arrives from a reputable source?


Where's the fun in that? We need to rehash this topic at least 4 more times before it gets old. [/sarcasm]
September 19, 2007 8:12:04 PM

Several Versions available on OCUK-
Hightech 512MB Part (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-083-HT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=922)
Sapphire 512MB Part (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-160-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=922)
Sapphire 1024Mb Part (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-159-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=922)

The 512Mb Cards seem to be much of a muchness - 512bit, GDDR3, 600Mhz Cores, 1600MHz Memory, and 320 Stream Processors.

The 1024Mb Card would appear to be GDDR4. Would this make it more likely to overclock better, or are will it still be limited by sub-XT standard GPU's? I would have thought that this card, in it's 8800GTS 640MB price bracket, will probably outperform the 640Mb Card, as long as the drivers are in place to handle it.

At £170 (~£50 more than I was going to spend on a X1950XT) I think this could be a no-brainer, assuming real-world benchmarks reveal it to be an 8800GTS equaller.

The only 8800GTS320 in the same price range is This Leadtek one (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-111-LT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=927) but the GPU runs 100Mhz slower and it only has 96 (against 320) Stream Processors. Again, it's a GDDR3 part.
September 19, 2007 8:37:53 PM

dr asik: yes it is pretty much equal.

every single product i buy over here for let's say: 100 euro's , are at the other side of the planet in stores for about 100 dollar.

no i know: euro is not dollar but compared to what we pay here for stuff: dollar IS euro! we pay alot more here....

September 19, 2007 8:41:36 PM

a lot of places on the net call the 512-bit a ''typo'' from HIS.
a lot of them disagree...... why is there NO benchmark an NOBODY with an early card?

not even the chinese sites have more news about it :pfff: 
September 19, 2007 10:35:38 PM

ummm what? 100 euro is not $100 here. It would mean it'd be alot more expensive in U.S.
a c 172 U Graphics card
September 20, 2007 5:59:36 AM

badders said:

The only 8800GTS320 in the same price range is This Leadtek one (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-111-LT&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=927) but the GPU runs 100Mhz slower and it only has 96 (against 320) Stream Processors. Again, it's a GDDR3 part.


Why has the megahertz myth only been broken for CPUs? Why do people continue to tell me that the 2600XT is one of the best video cards because the core runs at 800MHz, and no other video card runs that fast? When will people learn that the frequency, bit width, number of shaders, etc doesn't determine how well something will work? You have to look at the card OVERALL, not just one piece of it. Who cares if the 8800GTS has fewer shaders that are clocked 100MHz less. If the card has some other feature that helps it overcome this "limitation", then it doesn't matter. If those 96 shaders are four times faster at running DX9/10 code, then it doesn't matter that card X has 320 of them. (not to mention, Nvidia shaders are different from AMD ones.)

Do your research before buying a part. Look at what competing cards/parts cost from other people. (or even the same company, but perhaps last gen, etc) Find reviews that show the card/part you are thinking about buying compared to something else. If you can't find one, post on a forum such as this asking for others advice. But for crying out loud, don't sit there and say card X is worse then card Y because X has a 128bit memory bus, while card Y has a 256 bit bus.
September 20, 2007 9:44:45 AM

4745454b said:
But for crying out loud, don't sit there and say card X is worse then card Y because X has a 128bit memory bus, while card Y has a 256 bit bus.



I was simply quoting the difference in the the specs, Not expressing any preference. Until these cards are benchmarked against others, we can only guess at the real world performance.

If I had said "THIS CARD WILL PWN ALL 8800's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" etc, then I could understand the tone of your post.


September 20, 2007 3:03:46 PM

meljor said:
dr asik: yes it is pretty much equal.

every single product i buy over here for let's say: 100 euro's , are at the other side of the planet in stores for about 100 dollar.

no i know: euro is not dollar but compared to what we pay here for stuff: dollar IS euro! we pay alot more here....
Well I sure hope it will be priced at 215$! :) 
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