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FIRE! HELP!! No...Trying to OC my amd 6000+ from 3.3ghz to 3.4ghz

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September 5, 2007 4:17:38 PM

Im looking to overclock my amd 6000+ past 3.3ghz. Currently im using auto ddr2 voltage with cpu voltage at 1.55v im using a bus speed of 220 with a multiplier of 15. What will it take to get it to 3.4 if its water coooled?

September 5, 2007 4:50:51 PM

hahaha... i got one and a girlfriend...Im not a comp nerd this is just a hobby!!
September 5, 2007 4:59:57 PM

It will take some serious cooling past what you probably already have. I have been looking into OC'ing my 6000 and I just can't justify the money for water cooling and the associated headaches just to gain 8% on the clock.
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September 5, 2007 5:08:31 PM

You are pretty much at the limit.
I don't see the point of trying to get the last Mhz out.
3.3ghz is more than many get with that CPU even though some get up to 3.4ghz. Much is luck of the draw on the particular CPU.

My System is Stable @ 3.2 Ghz, but I run @3.0Ghz because it runs a tad cooler and I would never be able to perceive the difference outside of a benchmarking tool.
September 5, 2007 5:55:31 PM

well its solid i ran 3dmark06 about three times without any probs...I really dont want to run orthos cause it just takes too long and i get bored...plus I like to see progress instead of just waiting for errors. Anyways maybe ill just keep it here...If anyone has any other ideasss, please tell me...
September 5, 2007 5:57:31 PM

temps are good by the way 42-45 idle and 50-55 maxx
everyone was bashing this water coooler but I think it works well...or at least so far.
September 5, 2007 6:17:25 PM

1.4v... I think im going to try a lower voltage when i get home... maybe even a little bit greater than stock with a smaller multiplier and a larger bus speed.
September 5, 2007 6:18:43 PM

really the highest that I have seen is 50c but the 55c is assuming that I use orthos intsead of running 3dmark06 several times.
September 5, 2007 6:19:34 PM

55c is a rediculous water temperature
September 5, 2007 9:30:32 PM

1.55Vcore is a little too high for a CPU. It reminds me of the Pentium 4 era...

but yeh, if you want to OC, then 6000+ clearly isn't the best choice, as it is already the top bin AMD can spin out.

on the side note, running 3Dmark won't stress your CPU, as its a graphic intensive program. You should run Orthos, or Prime95 continuously for at least 1 full day to test for stability.
September 5, 2007 11:48:52 PM

doesnt 3dmark have a cpu test though?
September 6, 2007 7:12:36 AM

but that CPU test only last for 5~10 secs, which is a far cry from the normal CPU stress test.

If I were you though, I wouldn't be pushing 6000+'s limit, as it is already AMD's 90nm limit.
September 6, 2007 8:44:11 AM

Overclocking 101: For any given core family and stepping, there is an inherant upper limit, a ceiling no matter which "nnnn" model you buy. When you buy the top end in that family, you may get a cherry picked processor capable of a slight bit more, but until there is a new stepping and core redesign towards higher clockspeed, the gain is minimal.

In other words, there is little point buying a X2 6000+ then trying to o'c it much, better would be buying a X2 400 and o'c it to a little over 3GHz and putting the money you saved aside to buy the NEXT core your favorite (at the moment) manufacturer releases.

It's just not worth the effort or elaborate cooling to try to get X2 6000+ much higher. If this were a cutting edge CPu and you had some kind of bragging rights from doing it, ok it boosts your ego, but in this case a median quality Core2Duo will exceed it in o'c performance so you're basically just dramatically increasing heat:p erformance ratio which may also wear out the motherboard faster, leaving the system with little value when it comes time to reuse or sell it.

It's not that I'm against aggressive overclocking but consider what I first wrote, with any core you have a reasonable upper ceiling clockspeed and to take great effort for minimal further gain is masochistic.
September 6, 2007 12:11:47 PM

I wouldn't bother trying anything past 3.2Ghz, its really hard to get stable. (I have an Opteron 1212)
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September 6, 2007 12:35:09 PM

You would get more perfomance by chucking two SATA's in Raid0 than anything else cheap. ... from the specs I can see.

The thermaltake big water is a cheap off the shelf kit too ... not capable of really cooling that thing past the point you already have it I imagine.

Getting a K8 to 3.3 Ghz is good enough if it is stable ... well done !!
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September 6, 2007 12:37:17 PM

I really don't see the point of trying to get an extra 100Mhz out of an 6000+.
September 6, 2007 5:41:27 PM

ryanthesav said:
hahaha... i got one and a girlfriend...Im not a comp nerd this is just a hobby!!


WRONG. You are a nerd. You've got a freaking water cooled 6000+ OCed to 3.3ghz, NERD!

There's nothing wrong with being a nerd though. I'm a nerd (in hobby, profession, and education) and I married a varsity cheerleader (no, not the fat one, the cute one!).
September 6, 2007 6:52:50 PM

LOL, honest truth! She was a (good lookin'!) varsity cheerleader in high school (and still good lookin' now!). Now she's a school teacher, so maybe that explains why she's with a nerd!
September 6, 2007 8:49:40 PM

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OMG> Your both nerds, and your noses arent getting any shorter..... :bounce: 


...so perhaps we should all get a life? :kaola: 
September 6, 2007 8:53:01 PM

to OP:
if you wanted to perform some mass OC, why did you go with AMD in the first place?
September 6, 2007 11:48:19 PM

yomamafor1 said:
to OP:
if you wanted to perform some mass OC, why did you go with AMD in the first place?


People have reported MASS overclocks on Intel while it seems that AMD is selling their procs very close to their limits.

I'm not an overclocker, so I don't mind too much. However, I don't like BS like the 6400+ that doesn't sell with a heatsink because it runs so hot you need to buy your own (also, that way YOU can be blamed for it not performing as advertised).

Remember when Intel first released Core 2 and everything overclocked like a mother? I wonder if Barcy will be like that or if AMD will be pushing it from the start...
September 7, 2007 12:20:02 AM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
People have reported MASS overclocks on Intel while it seems that AMD is selling their procs very close to their limits.

I'm not an overclocker, so I don't mind too much. However, I don't like BS like the 6400+ that doesn't sell with a heatsink because it runs so hot you need to buy your own (also, that way YOU can be blamed for it not performing as advertised).

Remember when Intel first released Core 2 and everything overclocked like a mother? I wonder if Barcy will be like that or if AMD will be pushing it from the start...


Chances are you won't see mass overclock on the B1 revision (despite what Fudzilla claimed), but if AMD can churn out some of the B2 revisions, then story is completely different.
September 7, 2007 3:25:13 AM

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Im looking to overclock my amd 6000+ past 3.3ghz. Currently im using auto ddr2 voltage with cpu voltage at 1.55v im using a bus speed of 220 with a multiplier of 15. What will it take to get it to 3.4 if its water coooled?

Trade it for a 6400+ 3.2GHz, it is rumored that the 6400+ is nothing more than a hand-picked 6000+ core that's ramped up 200Mhz on the Bus speed then packaged and sold as the "Black Edition"
I'm willing to bet you could get 3.4GHz out of that 6400+ with a ThermalRight Ultima-120.
I was pretty excited about it UNTIL i did a little research........waiting on the K10 Phenomenom
Eat your heart out Intel..

:hello:  Folding@Home
September 7, 2007 7:18:46 AM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
I married a varsity cheerleader (no, not the fat one, the cute one!).


PROOF!!! :fou: 
Post links! ;) 
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September 7, 2007 8:25:21 AM

TC's comment about overhead on cpu's is spot on the money.
Having a good looking wife is worth bragging about too !!!
Good looking women also like smart men.
I rest your case TC.
September 7, 2007 12:01:44 PM

turpit said:
PROOF!!! :fou: 
Post links! ;) 


She'd kill me! Plus that would mean posting a pic of myself, and I'm uhhh... Kind of.... Scrawny? 5'5" (166cm for you Brits) and 120 pounds (54 kg). But I'm not balding in the least though, in fact, I have too much hair.

My wife is even shorter than I by about 4-5 inches, so it all works out.
September 7, 2007 1:10:06 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
She'd kill me! Plus that would mean posting a pic of myself, and I'm uhhh... Kind of.... Scrawny? 5'5" (166cm for you Brits) and 120 pounds (54 kg). But I'm not balding in the least though, in fact, I have too much hair.

My wife is even shorter than I by about 4-5 inches, so it all works out.


yeah your 4-5inches tall woman will KILL YA !!!

LOL LOL LOL :)  :na: 

ROTF :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

ROTFSTC (Scaring The Cat) :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

September 7, 2007 4:19:25 PM

needn't,i only use coolermaster Hyper UC to let it overlocked to 3551 to run super pi
September 7, 2007 4:53:24 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
She'd kill me! Plus that would mean posting a pic of myself, and I'm uhhh... Kind of.... Scrawny? 5'5" (166cm for you Brits) and 120 pounds (54 kg). But I'm not balding in the least though, in fact, I have too much hair.

My wife is even shorter than I by about 4-5 inches, so it all works out.


Sir, given the fact that you refused to provide evidence for your statement... I'll consider this as FUD, and automatically label you as being "fanboy" of cheerleader... :kaola:  :kaola: 
September 7, 2007 5:08:15 PM

hahahaha so i guess there is no one that can show me how to overclock any higher...or i just cant oc higher...and my girlfriend IS hot! And Im not a nerd...but i am an engineer so i guess that makes me one...
September 7, 2007 5:20:47 PM

ryanthesav said:
hahahaha so i guess there is no one that can show me how to overclock any higher...or i just cant oc higher...and my girlfriend IS hot! And Im not a nerd...but i am an engineer so i guess that makes me one...


If you wanted to OC your processor, you should've gone with Intel's CPU instead. People are getting massive overclocks, with very minimal gain in voltage and heat.

I OCed my E6300 from 1.8Ghz to 2.8Ghz, with stock voltage and stock cooler. I'm sure there are lots of others who got better OC than I do.
September 7, 2007 6:13:32 PM

I'm thinking of getting a 6000, so I did some research.
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30997 3.51 GHz
http://www.cluboverclocker.com/reviews/cpu/amd/athlon_x... 3.5 GHz
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=21024 3.5 GHz
http://www.csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3225 3.46 GHz
http://forums.slizone.com/lofiversion/index.php?t4489.h... 3.41 GHz
http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=110... 3.37 GHz
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/amd/795-6000-overclockin... 3.35 GHz
http://www.bcchardware.com/index.php?option=content&tas... 3.33 GHz
http://forums.slizone.com/lofiversion/index.php?t4577.h... 3.3 GHz
http://www.csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3315 3.3 GHz
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP... 3.3 GHz and OC instr
http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3980 3.3 GHz
http://www.hwupgrade.com/articles/cpu/27/the-last-of-th... 3.255 GHz
http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?showtopic=146299 3.25 GHz
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/overclocked_cpus.html 3.232 GHz (avg of 3)
http://www.behardware.com/articles/657-2/amd-athlon-64-... 3.225 GHz
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_athlon_64_x2_60... 3.225 GHz
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/AMD_Athlon_64_X2_60... 3.2 GHz
http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?... 3.12 GHz with BMs
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5227454 PSU choices
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/p2831155.html OC instr
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/t268910.html OC instr
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=443970 Best mobo
September 8, 2007 1:19:12 AM

@dspear
Sorry had to post but dude, you overkilled on your homework...That's too many links.
Anyhow why are you getting a 6000+? Why not intel? Fanboyism? Upgrading? If you're building a new pc and want to overclcok seriously stick with intel for now.
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September 8, 2007 3:22:51 AM

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1.55Vcore is a little too high for a CPU. It reminds me of the Pentium 4 era...


1.55 V was the stock Vcore for many P4 Northwoods. The Willies were 1.75 V, the Prescotts about 1.4 V, and the Cedar Mills somewhere around 1.2-1.3 volts. The 90 nm Windsors run at 1.20-1.40 volts, with the full-voltage units like your 6000+ operating at 1.30-1.40 volts.

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but yeh, if you want to OC, then 6000+ clearly isn't the best choice, as it is already the top bin AMD can spin out.


Not true, the top bin is now the X2 6400+ and the Opteron *224SE. It's a poor "overclocker's chip" as it can't overclock much and thus doesn't yield much "free performance." But barring the 6400+ and the Opteron *224SEs, it will reach up as high or higher in terms of total clock speed as any K8 will as it's the highest-binned chip.

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on the side note, running 3Dmark won't stress your CPU, as its a graphic intensive program. You should run Orthos, or Prime95 continuously for at least 1 full day to test for stability.


Very true. Overclocking, especially requiring a significant Vcore increase, can really make a CPU unstable. There's nothing worse than trying to work on such a machine as it'll be flakier than Miss South Carolina.
September 8, 2007 3:56:51 AM

The max Stable overclock i have had was 3.42ghz, this is on stock cooling.

3.5ghz is stable in windows doing nothing, until i try to run ORTHOS.. then it'll crash.

M2N-SLI Deluxe, HTT=3X, .1 on all chipset voltages, 1.50CPU


I run it at 3.2ghz 24/7 with no issues at all and 53C Max load

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September 8, 2007 4:15:22 AM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
WRONG. You are a nerd. You've got a freaking water cooled 6000+ OCed to 3.3ghz, NERD!

There's nothing wrong with being a nerd though. I'm a nerd (in hobby, profession, and education) and I married a varsity cheerleader (no, not the fat one, the cute one!).


Probably most of us here are nerds. I'll admit I'm one through and through also as I'd be lying through my teeth if I didn't. I've built a computer and the OS on it, as well as setting it up as an SFTP server to back up work to when I'm at school. I was an undergraduate biological engineering major and did well enough to get into a pretty good medical school. That was lots of Friday and Saturday nights spent studying, which is the hallmark of a nerd. Medicine is not a profession for the slight-of-nerd either as it has an ungodly amount of technical information- there are enough terms to fill up thousand-page-plus dictionaries. And if you go into medical research...those guys are some of the smartest people I know but also the nerdiest as they will have most of that dictionary as well as hundreds of journal articles up in their heads.

I am not marrying a varsity cheerleader, but I had a bunch cheer for me in high school :D  I'm actually getting married to a girl who's rather similar in interests and academic habits as me. She's also a medical student and there is a ton of studying and "shop talk" at the dinner table and everywhere else (reviewing muscle groups at the gym is a common one as that's what we're doing in anatomy this year) as well as a bunch of studying together. We may not have the greatest social life- what we do have is mostly with other medical students- but it's been fun and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's no fun to talk to somebody about what you're spending almost all of your time on and just get a blank stare and glassy eyes.
September 8, 2007 4:36:56 AM

Congrats MU on your engagement (I am assuming). She sounds like a very nice and intelligent gal.
September 8, 2007 7:59:19 AM

MU_Engineer said:
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1.55Vcore is a little too high for a CPU. It reminds me of the Pentium 4 era...


1.55 V was the stock Vcore for many P4 Northwoods. The Willies were 1.75 V, the Prescotts about 1.4 V, and the Cedar Mills somewhere around 1.2-1.3 volts. The 90 nm Windsors run at 1.20-1.40 volts, with the full-voltage units like your 6000+ operating at 1.30-1.40 volts.

With 0.150V increase for Vcore, wouldn't that be a little damaging for the CPU?

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but yeh, if you want to OC, then 6000+ clearly isn't the best choice, as it is already the top bin AMD can spin out.

Not true, the top bin is now the X2 6400+ and the Opteron *224SE. It's a poor "overclocker's chip" as it can't overclock much and thus doesn't yield much "free performance." But barring the 6400+ and the Opteron *224SEs, it will reach up as high or higher in terms of total clock speed as any K8 will as it's the highest-binned chip.
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but yeh, if you want to OC, then 6000+ clearly isn't the best choice, as it is already the top bin AMD can spin out.


Not true, the top bin is now the X2 6400+ and the Opteron *224SE. It's a poor "overclocker's chip" as it can't overclock much and thus doesn't yield much "free performance." But barring the 6400+ and the Opteron *224SEs, it will reach up as high or higher in terms of total clock speed as any K8 will as it's the highest-binned chip.
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My apologies. What I tried to illustrate was that 6000+ is clearly at the top end of the 90nm process. Sure, its still overclockable, but as you said, one cannot yield too much from it before resorting to exotic cooling. However, I agree that my wording needs to be improved to express my point better. Thanks for the clarification.
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September 8, 2007 2:16:36 PM

yomamafor1 said:
With 0.150V increase for Vcore, wouldn't that be a little damaging for the CPU?


That is pretty high for the Windsors. I am not aware of any specific rapid-death-from-electromigration with the Windsors such as SNDS with the P4 Northwood, but it's not doing the CPU any favors. Most "full-voltage" (ADA- prefix) Windsors run at 1.30-1.35 V and the 6000+ bumps that up to 1.35-1.40 V. So it's already running a bit higher than most and has less headroom. Generally you don't want to overvolt more than 10% from the stock Vcore for the process, so 1.50 volts would be as much as you'd want to feed this chip if you want to keep it a little while. And also the voltage bump yields a lot more heat, so that is an issue as well.

Reference: AMD NPT Family 0Fh Desktop Processor Power and Thermal Data Sheet (http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_pape...)



February 25, 2008 10:16:54 PM

this turned out to be a funny and informative thread. :) 
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