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8800's goind down in price in November 07??????

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September 21, 2007 12:57:56 AM

ok I've been reading a few threads (dont ask for links...do not have them) and they been saying 8800's are going down in price since nvidia releasing there new cards. Has anyone else heard anything like this? Reason i ask is im purchasing all my stuff for a new build this weekend and i dont wanna spend $300 and than find out they dropped $100 in a 2months...i know i know...in this business mostly everything drops in price within a couple months, but i would rather know it took at least 6months before they drop the price. Would it be better to purchase something cheaper like this....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Than after a couple of months they drop in price than maybe ill purchase it...so most likely if i purchase this ...it'll be 6 months till i buy a newer one or later if i go with the cheaper one(thats after it drops in price...if they do). yes i know ill spend more money like that...but just knowing the cheaper one lasted at least half a year is good enough. I mostly play CS:S...and that's about it...(maybe halo 3 when it comes out).

If i go with a 8800 320mb my cpu will drop to an e6550 ...since i have a budget of $1100...i current have the cheaper card under and the whole setup under $1100. If i make the decision to switch out from 8800 my cpu and mobo might will change a bit...as in price...since im trying to stay under $1100. Here's my current setup in cart at where else...newegg...

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

MOBO:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

GRAPH. CARD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...


DVD/CD-BURNER:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

I chose Vista Premium 64 bit...didnt really need all the extra's that ultimate comes with...

Please feel free to give me your opinion on anything about this thread.

a c 169 U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 7:32:57 AM

8600GT/GTS is weak , X1950PRO/XT destroys it , get them instead of 8600GTS, or wait and buy a 8800gts 320
a b U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 8:02:47 AM

8600GTS is practically equal with the x1950 pro actually, but the 8600GT is miles behind.
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September 21, 2007 8:07:09 AM

As far as I am aware, the common thinking is that with no competitor at the high end for Nvidia, there is no rationale for them to release an even higher end part in November. What they may do is release a mainstream card that sits between the GTS and GTX.

This is all rumour and speculation, but it would make sense for Nvidia not to go and knock their top-end card of the top end. I don't know. It is just food for thought. If you buy a card, you could always do what others here have been recommending me - go for a 320 MB 8800 GTS with EVGA and use step-up in November to get to the top end. That way, you can hit the high end easily. I would personally recommend the 640 MB GTS as it has better with texture-memory demanding titles.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 8:48:15 AM

To ranodmizer , 8600GTS OCZ VS X1950PRO benchmarks :

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8409&page=6
In farcry , X1950 PRO > 8600GTS

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8409&page=7
In Quake 4 ,they are equal

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8409&page=8
In SplinterCell , X1950PRO> 8600GTS

Another Review:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/426/22/


A Radeon X1950 Pro or 7900 GS for example will outperform the GTS in many scenarios and is a good amount cheaper. I can pick either one of them up here in the Netherlands for 150 EUR. Sure, these cards are not DX10 compatible but I think you'll see a lot of reviews today with exactly the same sentiment. Yours truly expected more performance. The 32 Shader cores and the choice of 128-bit memory are the responsible key issues here, and NVIDIA knows this. This is why the clock frequencies on the cards are so high.

a b U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 8:56:48 AM

Hexus review: Old drivers.
guru3d review: Old drivers.
September 21, 2007 8:59:28 AM

That's actually a bit incorrect. Only the superclocked 8600 GTS can compare to the x1950 pro. The super clocks cost anywhere between 10-70 more then a x1950 pro. Average price though is around 30 or so more. The x1950 pro beats the 8600 GTS stock in almost all games. If it does indeed go up to the price of 180-190 mark you may as well nab a x1950/1900 XT...which would demolish pretty much both of them.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 9:05:34 AM

can u post reviews with new drivers randomizer ?
a b U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 9:14:26 AM

Not tonight, I got to go out (although I don't want to), but I will if I can find some tommorrow.
a c 130 U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 12:20:15 PM

Get a E4*** cpu and oc it to E6*** levels and put the extra scratchtowards the gpu
Mactronix
a c 130 U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 1:23:02 PM

Kamrooz you are correct in what you are saying people have gotten that mixed up a couple of times before
RandomDude I agree with your thinking and will assume that you meant this
"This is all rumour and speculation, but it would make sense for Nvidia not to go and knock their top-end card of the top end." to read wouldn't make sence :) 
The next round of cards to the best of my knowledge are going to come in below the 8800gts so that the 1950s and 7900/7950s have a DX10 successor.
Mactronix
a c 130 U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 1:29:24 PM

Um bfellow not entirley sure why you posted that as there is some confusion going on about which card is which randomizer said the 8600gts is practically equal to a 1950 pro and Kamrooz pointed out that is only the super clocked ones that are.
So are you as it were taking sides or just providing info? :) 
Mactronix

September 21, 2007 2:04:06 PM

RandomDude said:
As far as I am aware, the common thinking is that with no competitor at the high end for Nvidia, there is no rationale for them to release an even higher end part in November. What they may do is release a mainstream card that sits between the GTS and GTX.

This is all rumour and speculation, but it would make sense for Nvidia not to go and knock their top-end card of the top end. I don't know. It is just food for thought. If you buy a card, you could always do what others here have been recommending me - go for a 320 MB 8800 GTS with EVGA and use step-up in November to get to the top end. That way, you can hit the high end easily. I would personally recommend the 640 MB GTS as it has better with texture-memory demanding titles.


Actually, the reasoning is quite simple.
The newer GPUs will actually be CHEAPER to manufacture since they are built using the 65nm process instead of the 80nm. (I could have the exact sizes off a bit, but I know they are reducing.)

As a result, they will make more money for every new card they sell at the same price as the old one.
It makes absolutely no sense to fail to do this.

Also, there is no need to only compete with the competitors.
Their current cards have been out for a while.
If they release newer, faster cards this could encourage previous customers of theirs to go buy new cards.

But other than increased sales, increased profit margin per sale, and hurting the profits of the competitor to help limit their ability to research, market, and compete, I agree there is no logical reason so them to release these cards.
September 21, 2007 2:18:10 PM

I had a rather unpleasant debate regarding the 8600 GTS and Super clocked versions...I'm not getting back into this one...lol..

But to suspenz's question. No one really knows what nvidia is going to be releasing. It could be a new high end...It could be a mid range. If Nvidia is planning to release a card that is targeted toward the low/mid range it would be obviously be faster then a 8600 GTS, but slower then a 8800 GTS. There is a huge gap in the middle where ATI's previous generation has settled in. The x1950 pro and x1900XT/x1950XT. ...

That would be nvidia's target. Although in their JPMorgan conference back in may. Nvidia stated they have a rhythm and don't want to deviate from it. Thinking about their words...For the past 2 years there have been two high end cards released in November...Last year the 8800 GTX....The year before that was the 512 mb version of the 7800 GTX (The 256 version was released in june). Considering they don't want to deviate, we may get a refresh of the 8800 or maybe even a new bad boy. We might get a mid range with it or maybe just a mid range by itself. The truth is no one knows...all the specs and codenames "G92/G98" are all rumors. nvidia has not stated a thing about what they have in the works. all we know is they have taped out...They have something brewing but no knows what.

So the answer for your question...Yes and no....If you want to wait to find out then go for it. If you need a new card soon, purchase one. Nvidia has a knack for keeping all information about their product under wraps...They tend to release information about their graphics cards towards release. In the past years, November cards were revealed in October...So the choice is yours if you want to wait or purchase a card now.

One thing is for sure though...Don't believe the inquirer's article...About G92 being a teraflop beast....The only reason they stated this was due to the Nvidia Tesla discussion during the JPMorgan conference, which focused on the topic of GPGPU computing. Nvidia stated they were approaching teraflops of power...Which would give a huge performance advantage in GPGPU computing......Inquirer took this information and bent it to their will. They announced the G92 when the words "G92" never left nvidia's mouth. The Inquirer even stated it was coming before the gpu's were even taped out...

But there is one thing....Nvidia stated that they always refresh their high end at years end....The main stream following shortly after, during the first part of the following year...They also stated they will be refreshing their roadmap.

This transcript was pretty much hidden from everyone...I came across it while searching around the net a few days ago. This was the conference where The Inquirer based their bogus information. But judging by this info, I personally believe we will either see a refresh of the 8800 GTX...Possibly a 8900 series...Maybe a midrange for the 200 dollar price range...There have been rumors floating around that Nvidia taped out two gpu's...The code names we don't know but people are calling them G92/G98....I don't believe the code names but if it is indeed true that two have been taped out we may see a refresh of the high end and a new midrange.

There is one thing that's false though. People have been saying the new card is a 8700 GTS to fill in the 200 dollar price range. If this is indeed true expect to see a G8X codename...Not a G9x...We still don't know the codename of the new product but if it is indeed G9x expect to see a Geforce 9XXX in the name.

For those who are interested in the transcript of the conference you can purchase it here....I know the idea of purchasing a transcript is bleh...There was a way to see the information without purchasing it which I came across...Through their search function...Although you couldn't see the entire thing, but a large portion was revealed. I just tried to give it a go but it seems they fixed the issue...::sighs::..If you want to buy it go for it..I aint dropping down 54 bucks on something I already believe ^.^...

http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/ccbn/T1551419

Although it isn't working for me from time to time it might work for you guys...Click "search this document" and paste in this...

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If it works you'll see a censored version of the transcript...Look at page 2 and start reading...After a few sentences there is some tasty info about their plans...This is why I believe we have a new high end coming...enjoy...

If it doesn't work...Sorry...they probably blocked it..lol..
a b U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 2:40:13 PM

bfellow said:
X-bits 6/28/07 8600 GTS benchmarks vs. 1950 PRO

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/msi-nx86...


That's the review that first opened my eyes to how far along the 8600GTS has come with new drivers. It's not all that high an OC on that card, so it's a valid comparison IMO. I still give the edge to the X1950 pro, but the 8600GTS is not embarrassed by by it anymore like was the case at launch.
a c 130 U Graphics card
September 21, 2007 4:19:41 PM

pauldh said:
That's the review that first opened my eyes to how far along the 8600GTS has come with new drivers. It's not all that high an OC on that card, so it's a valid comparison IMO. I still give the edge to the X1950 pro, but the 8600GTS is not embarrassed by by it anymore like was the case at launch.


Im having trouble understanding this i mean sure its a great card and is probably about where they were hoping it would be when they released it.
But i dont see how you can use it as a referance to the increased abbility of all 8600s.Yes its not that high of a clock but for me it comes down to the fact that it is a differant pcb to a standard card and is equiped with a different processor.
Mactronix
September 21, 2007 5:04:49 PM

It has definitely balanced itself out. But a stock GTS is still no match for a x1950 pro. But if you spend the extra cash to get a superclocked version it can outperform the x1950 pro in SOME benchmarks...some just doesn't cut it... spending upwards to 200 dollars on a superclocked 8600 GTS is ridiculous..When you can just get a X1900XT/X1950XT for the price...It's gotten better...But IMO it has still failed. As all new generations come out...the mainstream solutions should be on par/above the level of the previous high end...Either equal or just slightly above... We saw that with the Radeon 9800 Pro to x800 series...The x700 Pro/XT performed on par/better then the previous 9800 pro. It's been a trend that has continued for quite some time till this current series of cards. The 8600 GTS may have come a long way...But it's still a failure in my eyes...just not as big a failure as before.
September 21, 2007 11:35:36 PM

hmmm from what im reading....I am getting the idea i should just go with an 8800 320mb. So that means i have to look for a cheaper mobo and cpu...since im trying to stay under $1100.

here's the link to my other option of mobo and cpu if i switch to the 8800 card...

MOBO:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

using all of the other components I've listed on my first post....


what do ya think? good choice?
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 22, 2007 7:39:31 AM

definitely get a P35 board instead of P965 , go for GIGABYTE P35 DS3R, CPU looks good though
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