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September 7, 2007 3:26:15 AM

Ok so im new here and thnx for helping me out! 2morro my dad and I are going to a local microcenter(microcenter.com) and he's letting me use his card to build my own gaming system, the only thing is i cant go over 1500$ but i wanted to stay as close to 1k as possible so i have less to pay him back lol.

This is what i've selected:

Board
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
Processor
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
memory
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
Card
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

I've already own a 30in dell monitor and purchased the case/power supply from ebay thermaltake case and 700w rockfish power supply

Does this look good so far? im a heavy gamer, or want to be, can anyone suggest a good cooling kit i do plan on ocing the quad and anything else im missing or should get!

thnx!
September 7, 2007 3:29:01 AM

That Rockfish PSU is iffy, but should power your single-card system okay. Check the amps on the +12V and +12V2 rails and compare to Nvidia specifications.

The motherboard is a bit outdated, especially if you're not planning on going SLI for an upgrade path. If you want SLI though, it's your best option at this point.

The CPU looks fine. Make sure you get the G0 stepping.

The video card is a great choice.

What about hard drives and optical drives?
September 7, 2007 3:35:18 AM

they have a deal on a 500gb sata300 for 160 but 100 after rebate: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

For the dvd rw i figure just a refurb 20x, does that factor into system performance much? also, should i stick w/the 1 gts or maybe sli 2 OR possibly go for a gtx 768 its 250 more . and ty for the fast response, im staying up later than usual hoping to iron this out :D 
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September 7, 2007 3:56:39 AM

First of all you would be much better off with this board http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... and it's about $80 cheaper than the one you chose. Second thing is the hard drive you picked is very overpriced before rebate you would be better off with this http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... or this http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml..., the HDD you linked has a 1 yr warranty the WD drive I linked is 3 yrs and the Seagate is 5 yrs.

I wouldn't trust the PSU you bought, you should look into replacing it as soon as possible. With a 30in monitor your going to want at least the 8800GTS 640, you can use the extra money from the motherboard for it. As far as video cards go your best bet is to buy the best single card you can afford, rather than thinking about 2 GTS's in SLI go for the GTX.

One last thing is that you should try to convince your father to buy everything online from either Newegg or Zipzoomfly. You will end up spending a great deal less buying online and you'll also have a much better selection. The only down side is that you'll have to wait for it to be delivered.

Just to give an example here are prices from Microcenter, Newegg and Zipzoomfly for the Evga 8800GTS 640
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... $429.99 $30MIR Final Price $399.99+tax
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $379.99+$6.33s/h $20MIR Final Price $366.32 no tax
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product... $375.00 Free shipping $20MIR Final Price $355.00 no tax
September 7, 2007 4:37:12 AM

I was gonna recommend the P35 DS3R as well then you can use the saved money for more video(come on....go for the GTX). you will want it to push that 30 inch monster.

Also make sure you keep an eye on that PSU.
September 7, 2007 4:56:07 AM

mad-dog said:
here's another great recipe that is a few months old but still relevant, prices have dropped substantially on this systems components.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2144896,00.a...

:hello:  Folding@Home


The only problem with that setup is it uses the E6700 which at this point is more expensive than the superior E6750.
September 7, 2007 5:28:52 AM

Your setup in your original post = $939.96+tax
Newegg-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99+$5.84s/h
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $279.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99+$4.99s/h
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $499.99 -$20MIR +$6.61s/h
Total with shipping and after rebate = $957.40
That means for less money than your total + tax you will end up with a GTX instead of a GTS 320
September 7, 2007 5:28:57 AM

Which Microcenter are you going to? I work at the one in OP Kansas. Just curious
September 8, 2007 1:31:41 AM

thnx guys im going to pitch the idea now lol, and its the one in VA donnie
September 8, 2007 1:32:34 AM

wait, so is the e6750 better than a quad??
September 8, 2007 1:52:08 AM

No, the Quad would be the better option. I was just saying that the setup he linked had a E6700 in it and currently the E6750 would be a better choice. Stick with the Quad it's just about the best deal out right now.
September 8, 2007 2:08:26 AM

w00000t ok, were checking out newegg now :D DD omg so many options here.. im about to be really lost though
September 8, 2007 2:21:04 AM

Good choice, if you have any questions just let us know. I order exclusively from Newegg but you might also want to look at Zipzoomfly, most of their products have free shipping so you might save a little but the menus are harder to navigate.
September 8, 2007 2:26:31 AM

kk and thnx!
September 8, 2007 8:49:35 PM

ok, so far i have :

Hanns·G HG-216DPO Silver/Black 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG Electronics Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 10X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with 12X DVD-RAM Write - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retailx2(4gbs, ill run vista 64)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

one of these case:
Thermaltake Damier V5000C Blue 1.0 mm SECC Chassis Aluminum made Front Door Modern Tower Xaser V Damier Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WB Black SECC STEEL ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Still trying to decide on a board, the gtx or gts and cpu cooler and memory cooler if i need it.. i want to oc the memory, cpu and maybe card..help me ppppleaase lol, looks good or no? suggestion on board and card etcc, do i need a gtx? im likely going to use the 22" more than 30 b/c of pc placement.
September 8, 2007 9:14:45 PM

This is the #1 ranked motherboard for the 775 socket
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Anyone worth their salt will tell you that the 8800GTS 320MB gives you the most bang for your buck.

ThermalRight has the best cooler on the market, for now.

Count me in on Corsair XMS, #1 for performance and reliability

Your just a noob so don't worry about memory cooling and over-clocking until you really need it and learn how to do it..........safely

:hello:  Folding@Home
September 8, 2007 9:35:11 PM

I thought you already had a case?

Everything looks good but let me make a few suggestions. Currently 500gb hard drives have the lowest gb per $ price so you might want to stick with your first thought and get one but I would suggest this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you want the 320 though that's fine and a good choice.

Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would also suggest that if your goal is 4gb of memory and you want to run Vista 64 you might want to get 2x2gb sticks instead in the event that you ever want to add more. If not then the memory you picked is fine.

As for CPU cooler the Thermaright Ultra 120 Extreme is the best currently but it doesn't come with a fan and it's a little expensive. Other good coolers are the Thermalright Ultra 120, Tuniq Tower, and my personal favorite for those on a budget the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro which is about $20.

I would also suggest again that you get a new PSU, the PSU is the only component which every other component depends on and is the only part that has the ability to take other parts with it if it goes. It is the most overlooked and underappreciated part and probably the most important.

With a 22" screen you really don't need more than a GTS 640.



September 8, 2007 9:38:47 PM

mad-dog said:
This is the #1 ranked motherboard for the 775 socket
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...







I would not get a 965 motherboard considering the chipset has already been replaced and if you wanted to upgrade the CPU down the line you would be limited to 1066FSB CPU's. And if you look on Newegg and sort by ratings it's actually the 26th rated socket 775 board.
September 8, 2007 9:51:20 PM

Look for a Gigabyte P35 DS3R motherboard, or DS3L either one would be a great choice. (If you're still debating on it)

I don't trust the PSU you got... But I guess it'll be up to you. If you want to look into a different one check out one of these:
1. Antec NeoHE series
2. Corsair HX series (520/620)
3. PC Power & Cooling

I think you should get a Q6600 for a 'gaming' computer... but that may be personal preference, as I've heard the E6850 performs just as well if not better in most current games. (Although newer ones like Crysis will start using more cores and the Q6600 will eventually be top dog.)

If you do go with the Q6600 make sure to get one with G0 stepping as they run cooler and are better for OC'ing. (Whether or not you're going to OC, it's great just for the fact that it runs cooler)

Good luck with your build, should be a good time (=
September 8, 2007 10:47:05 PM

Aush i do have a case, but its basic(atrix 9005 c4 http://www.3btech.net/blat90gacawl1.html .. I thought thermaltake for some reason).. Also it looks a bit small(i havent received it yet, but comparing the specs to another midtower like the ones i selected.. may be kinda of a tight fit with the 8series.
For the power supply i will try the rocketfish, but if it doesn't feel right ill stick it back on ebay along w/the Atrix case.

In the GTX vs GTS issue, will i be able to max settings w/the GTS when using the 22" or will the GTX help me achieve that. I know the GTX is probably better when im using the 30"

oh, also mad dog, i know im clueless w/the overclocking and such, but i think i slip everything in now, as opposed to later when im more saavy as my pop will say "didnt i just buy such and such, and you need more pc components?" If i get it now and use them later i should be ok(im in hs w/no job so i cant buy things myself yet)
September 8, 2007 11:16:26 PM

Your correct, the GTX would be better with a 30" but with the 22" the GTS 640 would be plenty. Of the two cases you listed the Raidmax is the best but I don't like the fact that it has 3 80mm fans and only 1 120mm. Larger fans spin slower to move the same amount of air so by doing so they make less noise. Another thing I didn't like is the USB ports at the bottom, that placement makes them very difficult to get to.

Just to give you a few different ideas take a look at. This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is a super inexpensive case by a quality manufacturer. Another nice thing about this one is that it's free with the purchase of a 22" viewsonic monitor.

This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is another one made by Cooler Master and after rebate is very inexpensive.

This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is a very good case but a little more expensive than the models you picked

Here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is the same as before but in silver and a little less expensive. This one would look really nice with that monitor you picked out.

Lian-Li and Silverstone are just about the best cases you can buy, I didn't include any of them because judging by your selections you want something with a little more bling. Look at the features the case has and look at the placement of things on the case to see if they fit your needs. This is my case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., a little on the pricey side but I love it.
September 9, 2007 10:40:32 AM

Alright! this is what ive decided on after a sleep-less 24hours :) 

Hanns·G HG-216DPO Silver/Black 22"(21.6" viewable area) 5ms Widescreen HDMI LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AVerMedia 7 TV TunerCard 95522 96066 5 PCI-Express x1 Interface Video Device with L-P Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI P35 Neo2-FR LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung SH-S182D/BEBM 18X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive (Black)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WB Black SECC STEEL ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and of course extras like arctic silver and hdmi-dvi cables

The only thing im personally still undecided on, is if i want the gtx or gts 320 superclock.. i will play on the 22" more than 30" during the week because of school, but do u guys think the difference in memory make that much of a difference in fps and settings in D9 and 10(when they're released) games? I would like to run things on the highest possible settings, the max output on the 22 is 1680 x 1050, the 30" is 2560 x 1600 i believe.

Comments, Suggestions please! were probably buying around noon today

Edit- decided im going w/the gts 320 for now, i figure about the time the D10 games drop, i can use the evga upgrade thing and get the gtx or 9series if its that good
September 9, 2007 3:08:28 PM

Yea, I would get the 640 for sure. You are going to stretch it on 1680X1050. The step up program isn't very helpful because you are going off the MSRP for that. Also, the 8800GTX is not getting an update any time soon and you only have 90 days for the step up program. If you can afford it, get the gtx right off the bat. That will gaurantee you can play max on the 30". If that is not as important, the 640 will still be a better choice for the 22". Not so much for First person shooters but definitely in RPG's
September 9, 2007 3:30:00 PM

if your not going to overclock to extremes, get the zalman either the 9500 or 9700 depending on your case room. If you want to push your CPU to the limit. get the thermalright ultra 120 extreme with a 65CFM fan. IT ROCKS!!! expensive but the best cooling on air. The downside is case room. It is huge!! i have only about a1/4 inch clearance between it and the side of my case. the other thing you have to watch is NB heatsink clearance. You should be ok, but measure first.
September 9, 2007 4:16:26 PM

ok! im extremely happy and please with you guys responses!! i take it my build looks decent if i should only upgrade the cooler & gpu, i will go w/the GTX and probably an termal ultra if u think it will fit.

Thnx so much everyone, i seriously cant wait!! Especially Supreme and Ausch, thnx for the guidance through this, and ive actually learned alot researching what part does what and why, these past 2 days.
September 9, 2007 5:52:09 PM

Ordering online would almost certainly get you around sales tax. Just a thought!
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