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September 9, 2007 10:21:22 AM

Hey guys. Currently trying to figure out a good gaming rig, my limit is around $1500. The more I research stuff the more confused I get.. first time builder. Most of these won't have prices as I am not sure what to go with yet.

Mobo: EVGA 122-CK-NF67-T1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ~$157
This is probably one of the hardest things to decided on. Being this my first time building a pc, one that is going ot have to last me a bit, im not sure I want to attempt OCing, though maybe later on. The reason I still like this mobo is because of the SLi, even then Im not sure how long it will be before I get the second card.

Video card: EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ~$280
My native/max resolution is 1280x1024.

HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD500 AAks ~$110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Right now I am looking at the Core 2 Duo E6750 (~$200) or the Q6600 (~280). I am leaning towards the Q6600. My question is, not sure where I read this, but some older games seem to not "get it" with more then one core and simply won't work? If this is true is it mainly older games? I think at most the oldest games I still play are maybe 2 years old at most.

Memory: Honestly I don't really know yet, I can't decide if its better to get 2x1gb, or 2x2gb, considering which is cheaper in the long run, 4x1g or 2x2gb, or is that over kill for what I am aiminng for?

OS: I plan on getting vista, and I have lot of questions on this part. I have read about the problems with 64 bit version but still wouldn't mind getting it, for one I'll be building (hopefully) a system that has 64bit drivers. As far as hardware goes, the only thing I really have is a printer, which I barely even use.
Which one has better features for gaming? Ultimate or Home premium? Though my decision my come down to total cost Though as it stands I will go with one of those system builder only versions. Also and this is a really noob question, but I read that while vista 64 will run 32 bit software it might not let you install it as some games use 16 bit installers? Is there a way to found out if my games pull that?

Case: I am still looking around for one, seen a few like but their pretty high for me, not to bad.

Power Supply: Not sure on this as some of the PC cases I have looked at have power supply's with them.

I'll be updating this as i find out more stuff lol. I have more question about other products but further down the line stuff
September 9, 2007 3:53:47 PM

Hey there, let me know if you have aim or yahoo or msn, I would be happy to answer all your questions and help you out :) 

I suggest sticking with a good p35 board and saving the money from that sli and just get one of the new gen cards. If you are waiting, by the time you get ready to buy another 8800 320MB one, the new ones will be lower in price. Plus you'll have the option of upgrade the cpu later on to the newer intel ones. That's just my suggestion :) .

For RAM, if you want 4GB, I would suggest getting 2x2GB modules. They are more compatible and also give you room to upgrade later on.

I use 64bit and it runs all my games. Maybe some of the really old ones will not install, but I haven't had that problem yet. More and more programs are supporting 64bit, so I would suggest getting it. It runs 64-bit support programs much faster.

For psus, do not use the ones that come with the cases, they are really cheap units. Get something like the Antec NeoHE 550W, its on sale now at the newegg for just $60, you can't beat that for a really high quality unit.

If you have any questions, let me know.
September 9, 2007 4:01:26 PM

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September 10, 2007 4:18:31 AM

Thanks for the reply. I have spent a little more time looking around newegg and the net looking for more info.

What are some good p35 mobos? I have only really looked at the 650i since I was going with a nivida cared and was iffy on the SLi. Yeah I really like the fact about being able to use one of the 45nm chips ( the name always alludes me). When/if I need to upgrade to the next line of cards (speicaly cause of the Direct X 10.1) will any of the current p35 be able to handle it?

For ram I have been looking at: CORSAIR 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (~$241)

CPU: Decided to go with the Q6600

HDD: Same as in the first post.

Video card: Still sticking with the 8800 GTS 320mb, specifically after looking at the charts here on tom's hardware.

OS: Vista Home Premium 64 bit. (~$112)

As far as cases go, I defiantly want to stick with with a full tower, prefer to get an aluminum as well.
Few that I have seen that I have liked so far:

COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (~$200)
While it is steel I have read some site that say the outer casting is aluminum so I am a bit confused on that.

COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution RC-830-KKR3-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case Real Power Pro 1000W Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (~400).
Is cooler master good with their psu? On top of that seeing as I won't probably be doing SLI, 1kw is probably over kill.

Also looking at the other versions of the 830s with and with out a psu in them such as:
COOLER MASTER Stacker RC-832-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution RC-830-KKN2-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 10, 2007 4:29:16 AM

Mustikos said:
Thanks for the reply. I have spent a little more time looking around newegg and the net looking for more info.

What are some good p35 mobos? I have only really looked at the 650i since I was going with a nivida cared and was iffy on the SLi. Yeah I really like the fact about being able to use one of the 45nm chips ( the name always alludes me). When/if I need to upgrade to the next line of cards (speicaly cause of the Direct X 10.1) will any of the current p35 be able to handle it?


P35 is great right now. Full SLI is rather expensive (~$200) for it though.

Mustikos said:
For ram I have been looking at: CORSAIR 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (~$241)?


You're not overclocking, DDR2-800 isn't really needed.

Mustikos said:
CPU: Decided to go with the Q6600

HDD: Same as in the first post.

Video card: Still sticking with the 8800 GTS 320mb, specifically after looking at the charts here on tom's hardware.


If you intend to use SLI, be sure to have full (two x16 lanes) because of the 8800GTS's need.

Mustikos said:
OS: Vista Home Premium 64 bit. (~$112)

As far as cases go, I defiantly want to stick with with a full tower, prefer to get an aluminum as well.
Few that I have seen that I have liked so far:

COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (~$200)
While it is steel I have read some site that say the outer casting is aluminum so I am a bit confused on that.

COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution RC-830-KKR3-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case Real Power Pro 1000W Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (~400).
Is cooler master good with their psu? On top of that seeing as I won't probably be doing SLI, 1kw is probably over kill.


OVERKILL. AGH. SO OVERKILL.

1000W could handle a quad-core overclocked to 4ghz, water cooling, and 8800GTX in SLI. It is very powerful.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That should be quite suitable even for a GTS SLI.

Mustikos said:
Also looking at the other versions of the 830s with and with out a psu in them such as:
COOLER MASTER Stacker RC-832-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution RC-830-KKN2-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I got no opinions on the case.
September 10, 2007 6:15:22 PM

Get cases without PSUs, since the ones that come with them are kinda crappy. For P35, it depends what you need. Do you need firewire? or esata? A good basic board is the gigabyte P35-DS3R.

For cases you try the Antec 900 or P182. they are really good and quiet. The stackers are nice, but I think they are too expensive. Try Thermaltake armor for a full tower, but you can really get by with a mid tower, they have more than enough room.

If you have aim or yahoo or msn, we can talk on there, its a little easier than on here. Let me know if you have any questions.
September 12, 2007 2:03:09 AM

As far as a mobo, would prefer eSata, support for DDR3 but not required. Don't need one of those Wifi ones. Basically one that would run "the best" for the other components I have listed above. This question is most likely a personal opinion for people but which brand is general the best, such as Asus, gigabyte, etc? I am really unfamiliar with their products.
September 12, 2007 2:37:41 AM

You can't go wrong with Asus or Gigabyte, I like the Asus P5K without DDR3 support. DDR3 is too pricey and not needed, DDR2 is more than fine.
September 20, 2007 1:07:38 AM

Been busy with real life crap but finally got around to picking out what I hope will be the system I build.

I have a few questions about newegg, I have order from them before but never this much at one time. How many "combos" can you get per order? If their happens to be more then one combo, depending on the answer from the first question, how will rebates work with that? I read their thing about combos but it didn't make much sense to me. Also if a mobo has different revisions out, how do you know which one newegg will send? Pretty sure the answer will be, whatever the guy grabs at the warehouse..


CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail $~280
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $104, 64 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKB 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive OEM $110.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video: EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $294.99, $280 after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM $112
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution RC-830-KKN2-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail $260, 220 after rebate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
. Also, what would be some good fans to buy for the side fans? On top of that, lets say I have all 4 of the fans installed, would they hit the video card? Also if I put a cooling fan on the cpu would it hit them?

PSU: Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 ATX12V 650W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, CE, C-tick, CCC, CB - Retail $130,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Player: ASUS Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E616A3T - Retail $20.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I have a DVD burner I bought for the pc I am useing but need to check if its can use sata.

CPU cooling fan/heat sink. ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail $48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 20, 2007 4:45:23 AM

As for the combos it didn't make sense to me either, sorry. NewEgg moves a huge volume of hardware/software therefore the old stuff is most likely gone. I had to RMA my first mobo, the one I got back was a new revision and almost makes my glad my first mobo went bad. As for the rebates you have to click on them next to the price of the product, where is says rebate and print it on your printer fill it out and send it in, thats all.

I have the DVD-R version of the Rom drive your getting, I must say that its the quietest optical drive I have ever owned. I can't even hear it when the drive first starts spinning at start-up. You have a strong system build there! :) 
September 20, 2007 4:57:32 AM

I think you picked the wrong Hard Drive. Dont you want a SATA??

I currently think Quad Cores are overrated. I would go for an E6550. True it is a Dual Core, but it runs at 2.33 (only .07 less than yours) it has a FSB 1333 (yours is 1066), and its $100 less.

Did you check to see what Tier that PSU fell into??
September 20, 2007 10:41:20 AM

I'm not sure what you mean by the Tier of the PSU. Yeah and I listed the wrong HDD, same brand etc just sata.

Here is the ram again I am looking to get: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Have a question here about the RAM. The mobo said it needs 1.8v for the ram, but the ram I am looking at says 2.1v. The thing that confuses me more on this is a customers review that says "Awsome stuff it defaults @ 5-5-5-15-2T but runs 4-4-4-12-2T on a stock voltage of 1.8 to run 1T you will need to up the voltage to 2.1 as advertised" So does this mean that those sticks will work on my board at 1.8v if I go buy the 4-4-4 thing? S
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September 21, 2007 12:48:21 AM


E6550 vs Q6600? Let's see 2 good speed cores vs 4 faster cores ......

The Q6600 is worth the extra cost. There's my $0.03
September 21, 2007 1:02:35 AM

I cannot combat that 4 > 2 but you are saying the E6550 are good speed and the Q6600 are faster?

SEVEN-ZERO MHz faster HOLY **** I might loss some sleep over that one.
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