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September 11, 2007 3:00:58 PM

well basically im looking to build a decent machine for around £500, atm i have a build in mind which i have chosen my self, id be seriously grateful if some one could help me out or recommend me some changes to make, the machine will be used mainly for gaming and please bear in mind that i will be able to update things etc ram and more storeage come november. the build i have atm is

320MB XFX 8800GTS XT, PCI-E (x16), Mem 1700MHz, GPU 560MHz, 96 Streams, 2x Dual Link DVI/HDTV

Asus TM-210 Black/Silver MicroATX Case w/o PSU PSU

Intel Core 2 Duo E6550, S775, 2.33 GHz, 1333MHz FSB, Conroe Core, 4MB Cache, Retail

580W HiperPower HPU-4M580 Black SLi Ready 20+24Pins P8 Ready ATX2.2/BTX

1GB (2x512MB) CorsairTwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-15

Abit Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLI NF650i SLi, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX

80 Gb Maxtor STM380811AS DiamondMax Plus 20, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 8MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ

this comes to a max total of £515.

BTW i dont need windows:p 

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September 11, 2007 3:27:24 PM

hmm well first off, if that case is really micro ATX, you'll need to get a mATX motherboard or a mid tower case. I would get the new P35 board. If you are on a budget get the Gigabyte DS3L if not get the DS3R, its around the same cost as the board you picked but is much better.

I'd get a better PSU as well. You can get a Cosair 450W for that rig. If you are looking for most of a budget, try the FSP SAGA AX500-PN 450W
its pretty good for the price.

If you are a gamer, I would get a little bigger drive. Newer games tend to fill up HDD space pretty fast.

Also, for ram, get 2GB, 1GB doesn't really cut it these days. It'll slow down your system some.
September 11, 2007 4:26:07 PM

That PSU is on Tier-4 of this list:
http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon

If possible, choose one from Tier-3 or better. FSP has some good budget choices.

If the micro-ATX case is a done deal, check out the Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R. I really like mine. It is loaded. I'm not using the integrated video. I'll second Solariscs' suggestion to get 2GB of RAM.
That is a very small drive. There are good prices these days on the 320GB models.
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September 11, 2007 4:43:51 PM

could anyone give a go at building a spec for that price ?
September 11, 2007 6:43:15 PM

the hiper power supply is fine, i have one not a problem
September 11, 2007 7:00:17 PM

Yes, and I ran an Aspire PSU for 8+ months with no problems, but I don't think I'd buy another one, just to be safe.
September 11, 2007 9:17:31 PM

Change spec a little

320MB Gainward 8800GTS Bliss PCI-E (x16) Mem 1600MHz GPU 500MHz 96Streams HDTV/2xDual Link DVI-I

160 Gb Maxtor STM3160211AS DiamondMax 20, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 2MB Cache, 9 ms
1GB CorsairXMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-12
CoolerMaster Centurion 5 Silver Case Black Body (Silver Trimmings) w/o PSU
Gigabyte GA P35C-DS3R, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-Ex16, DDR2/3 1066/1333/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX
Intel Core 2 Duo E4400, Socket 775, 2.0 GHz, 800MHz FSB, Allendale Core, 2MB Cache, Retail
Hiper 580W Type-M Black PSU

Total Cost £498

come on guys i know you can help :p 
September 11, 2007 9:45:58 PM

As was said, Hiper is not a good PSU. Get one of the others suggested. Also do they have anything other than Maxtor? Maxtor isn't really a good brand. Get something like seagate or Western Digital.

I still suggest 2GB RAm instead of 1. The rest looks good.
September 11, 2007 9:47:25 PM

i need to keep it at about £520
September 11, 2007 11:24:27 PM

how much is that PSU? since you live in UK its hard to know the prices there and what would work for your budget
September 12, 2007 12:08:27 AM


320MB Gainward 8800GTS Bliss PCI-E (x16) Mem 1600MHz GPU 500MHz 96Streams HDTV/2xDual Link DVI-I £187.99

80 Gb Western Digital WD800AAJS Caviar SE, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 8MB Cache, 9 ms £27.61

1GB CorsairXMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-12 £34.71

CoolerMaster Centurion 5 Silver Case Black Body (Silver Trimmings) w/o PSU £35.84

Gigabyte GA P35C-DS3R, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-Ex16, DDR2/3 1066/1333/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £72.49

Intel Core 2 Duo E4400, Socket 775, 2.0 GHz, 800MHz FSB, Allendale Core, 2MB Cache, Retail £75.66

Hiper 580W Type-M Black PSU £50.41
September 12, 2007 12:21:48 AM

Hmm well I suggest you save money and get the P35-DS3R, instead of the p35C.

Than try for something like FSP, do they have those? what brands are available?

That case is way too much, here it's like 22 pounds
September 12, 2007 12:25:41 AM

FSP is a power supply? were do you live btw ?
September 12, 2007 12:27:07 AM

yeah it is, I'm in the states :) , I just was converting dollars to pounds
September 12, 2007 12:36:43 AM

ok well the cheapest i can find it here is from scan. ill have a look for that psu now could you link me to one if possible
September 12, 2007 12:56:23 AM

are you getting your things from a site? if you link us to it, we can pick things out faster.
September 12, 2007 1:11:42 AM

try and keep price under £500 please :p 
September 12, 2007 2:26:57 AM

320MB XFX 8800GTS XT, PCI-E (x16), Mem 1700MHz, GPU 560MHz, 96 Streams, 2x Dual Link DVI/HDTV

Intel Core 2 Duo E4400, Socket 775, 2.0 GHz, 800MHz FSB, Allendale Core, 2MB Cache, Retail

450W Corsair VX Series PSU, ATX, PS/2, UK Version
LN19754
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 1066/667/800, SATA II, ATX £51.00 £59.93
LN11596
2GB (2x1GB) CorsairTwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-12
LN18051
80 Gb Western Digital WD800AAJS Caviar SE, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 8MB Cache, 9 ms
LN16904
Antec NSK4000/Mini Tower case without PSU , Black/Silver

That's £496.63 You need a DVD drive though, unless you have one :) 
September 12, 2007 10:58:34 AM

is a 450w psu enough to run an 8800gts well ?
September 12, 2007 10:59:01 AM

btw thanks for that :p 
September 12, 2007 11:20:04 AM

wannabe07 said:
is a 450w psu enough to run an 8800gts well ?

That one he quoted should handle an 8800GTX. If it's like the one we have here in the states, it has 33A on the 12V rails and should do you fine. Looks like Solariscs has a good setup there, don't know about the case, but I'm not too worried about it.
September 12, 2007 11:48:34 AM

what do you mean ? whats wrong with the case ?
September 12, 2007 11:50:25 AM

I would get a motherboard that supports 1333 fsb actually, and ddr 2 and 3, that way you can upgrade it for a long time when ddr3 shows some promise and with the next Intel socket 775 processors, the 680 is nice, but once 1333 fsb and ddr3 become standard, you can still upgrade.
September 12, 2007 11:59:25 AM

wannabe07 said:
what do you mean ? whats wrong with the case ?

Nothing, just haven't owned it or know anyone who as owned it. There should be nothing wrong with it.
September 12, 2007 12:41:50 PM

ok, well if anyone else wants to give it a go, go for it everything is appreciated try and build it from www.scan.co.uk and keep it under £500 btw i don't need a dvd drive. At the minute i really like solariscs spec
September 12, 2007 12:45:31 PM

doesn't that motherboard support 1333 fsb and DDR3 ? i thought it did
September 12, 2007 12:56:17 PM

no, it does NOT, you need a P35 or G35 for DDR3 and that board is not validated for 1333 FSB, again you need an Intel chipset that is VALIDATED if you want official support for 1333 fsb, some older boards work, but if you have probs, not supported.
September 12, 2007 12:58:36 PM

The mother is fully 1333FSB its a P35 board. It doesn't support DDR3, but any board that does it out of your price range, plus DDR3 is very expensive at the moment and don't offer too much performance gains. So you'll be just fine with DDR2.
September 12, 2007 1:04:00 PM

Haha Royal what are you talking about? that board is a P35 motherboard it supports 1333FSB. He's talking about the one I have in my list, not the one he has up top.
September 12, 2007 1:05:33 PM

i can always update in later years, as long as everything is fine and there is no problems with hardware im happy to purchase that spec, is the case big enough ?
September 12, 2007 1:05:52 PM

Nope you have to either pick SLI, or ddr2/3 and 1333 fsb, not both. Now rumor has it the Intel X38 chipsets will have both. If you want ultimate performance now AND are going to actually buy 2 cards go SLI, if you want to have a system that is more upgradeable, go with a p35 chipset or wait for X38. None of the P35s have SLI support also, that is the prob.
September 12, 2007 1:07:14 PM

royal crown, do you fancy attempting to build me a spec for £500 from www.scan.co.uk just to see what you can come up with
September 12, 2007 1:08:01 PM

and if you are wanting a 50 series (last 2 numbers ) cpu, it would be best to have official validated 1333 fsb support, or it might not boot up at all.
September 12, 2007 1:08:46 PM

I will look wannabe07, sounds fun, gimme a few mins to rummage.
September 12, 2007 1:20:11 PM

cool go for it
September 12, 2007 1:43:56 PM

wanna, the build that I made is completely build for 1333FSB. You never said you wanted SLI right? Or do you want SLI? I don't know what Royal is talking about, the board I picked it clearly a P35 chipset one.
September 12, 2007 1:46:37 PM

LN13435 Coolermaster Centurion RC-532 Black+Silver Trim Case w/o PSU £33.89 £39.82

LN18797 Gigabyte GA P35C-DS3R, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-Ex16, DDR2/3 1066/1333/800, SATA

II, SATA RAID, ATX £61.69 £72.49

LN19274 Intel Core 2 Duo E6550, S775, 2.33 GHz, 1333MHz FSB, Conroe Core, 4MB Cache, Retail

£91.90 £107.98

LN14000 580W HiperPower HPU-4M580 Black SLi Ready 20+24Pins P8 Ready ATX2.2/BTX £37.95

£44.59

LN10408 1GB (2x512MB) CorsairTwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered,

CAS 5-5-5-15 £32.99 £38.76

LN17509 320MB XFX 8800GTS XT, PCI-E (x16), Mem 1700MHz, GPU 560MHz, 96 Streams, 2x Dual

Link DVI/HDTV £159.88 £187.86

LN19234 80 Gb Seagate ST380815AS Barracuda 7200.10, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 8MB Cache, 8.9 ms

£24.15 £28.38

Net Total £442.45

Carriage £11.37

V.A.T. £79.42

TOTAL £533.24

I picked this board as it has 133 fsb and if you seem to be on a budget, then by the time you get another geforce probably, something may be out by xmas, or shortly after anyhow, plus the X38 does not support SLI I found out (bummer), it was a rumor I guess, and the case because it has good airflow, and more important, your MB will fit in it...lol, plus if you put it on the floor ur under the desk, the USB and audio and the power buttons are on top, along with leds, so no reaching DOWN to plug stuff in or hit the buttons.
September 12, 2007 1:48:22 PM

i don't need SLI no if everything is compatible i am happy, i wont need to edit the case at all to make things fit will i ?
September 12, 2007 1:48:47 PM

Solariscs, the fatality motherboard he has listed is not validated officially at 1333 fsb, I looked on the manufacturers website and www.newegg.com both, what we use here, it states 1066 only.
September 12, 2007 1:52:21 PM

maybe in uk its different ?
September 12, 2007 1:54:07 PM

http://www.uabit.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=...
right now it is either SLI or 1333, and if he goes 1333, that board may not boot or may underclock it, now if he goes w a 1066 fsb cpu then SLI is back in, and from what I read the difference is about 1 percent, so SLI makes more sense, UNLESS, he wants to keep it awhile because the next processor architecture nehalem, is not looking like 1066, it looks like at least minimum 1333, so far. So that would mean a new board is all versus keeping this one longer.
September 12, 2007 1:56:33 PM

Royal I wasn't talking about the Fatality one. I was talking about the one in my list that I posted for him. The Gigabyte P35-DS3L. He already said he wanted to change things around. Maybe you didn't see the list I put together for him.
September 12, 2007 1:57:12 PM

If u want it to just rock now and not worry about upgrading to nelahelm (2008-9) then go SLI and skip 133 fsb, the SLI will make a bigger difference, but 1066 may not be supported with the new chips due out in a few months is all. Still it is not like a core 2 duo or quad at 1066 is going to be slow for a long time.
September 12, 2007 1:59:38 PM

Solariscs, Yah, I was just going by his original post, what you picked is a good one too :) 
September 12, 2007 2:02:57 PM

I thought you were on a budget? The one I picked is cheaper. If you need DDR3, but I don't think you need, stick with the cheaper one I picked the DS3L.
September 12, 2007 2:04:01 PM

oh sorry lol i thought that was it :p 
September 12, 2007 2:11:29 PM

Haha, that's alright. I think that's the board Royal picked. I picked the cheaper one.
September 12, 2007 2:17:18 PM

nice one cheers dude <3
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