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September 15, 2007 2:51:26 AM

Please, what do you think of my next purchase?

This system is for a home office and editing photos, websites and soon video. I like a nice system and don't mind spending some extra money on it.

I've decided that although I've installed new cards in the past, I have never built an entire system before so it would be faster if I just order this online. I plan to order from pcsforeveryone.com.

Processor - Quad Core Q6600

Mother Board - I've read here that P35 or P5K are the ones to get but they don't have them. Is that just necessary for overclocking? I don't expect to do that since I don't play games.

They have as options:
Intel DG33FB ATX Intel G33 Express Chipset Intel GMA 3100 Graphics
Intel DB965WHMKR ATX Intel G965 Express Chipset Intel GMA X3000
Intel D975XBX2 mainboard ATX Intel 975X Express Chipset

They said they may start selling the P35 or Asus P5K but not sure yet. If they do, should I wait or buy one of the above mentioned?

Memory - 2 x 2GB PC6400 800MHZ DDR2

Video Card - MSI nVidia 8800GTS 640mb GDDR3 PCI Express

Case - Antec Sonata III ATX Mid Tower - 500 Watt PS Black Silent Design

Power Supply - They don't sell the units I read about in this forum, the Corsair 520HX or Zalman
Their options:
Included power supply that comes with Chassis is 500 watts by Sonata (recommended by salesman)
AGI ATX 24 pin Power supply 430 watt
PC Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 510 SLI 510 watts - SLI ready (expensive +$219)

Hard Drive - 500GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM Seagate Barracuda
Use internal drive for operating system and programs only. I will put all of my data on a separate external hard drive.

HDD Raid - Salesman recommends against RAID
So what should I use for backup?

Operating System - I may stick with XP for a while longer because I've read that many of programs won't work with Vista.

The reviews I've read about pcsforeveryone seems it's ok. And no sales tax!! Is there another place I should also check out to get this built?

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Amy

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September 15, 2007 3:27:28 AM

Hi amy, if you check your private messages, I can help you out with everything you need.

They really don't have much of a selection. I would get the PSU used in the case for now, but maybe upgrade later. Save some money.

About vista, that problem is mostly older programs. If you have some, check on their websites to see if they have vista patches of updates. If they do, get vista, I use it and have problems at all.

About the harddrive, if you have another data drive, I would get something smaller, I think 250GB would be enough for OS and programs. If not get a 320GB one.

If you have any questions, let me know anytime. Message me on aim or yahoo if you have them. I'll be happy to help out.

Edit: just checked out that site, wow that's so expensive, I would not go with them.
Anonymous
September 15, 2007 3:31:40 AM


I'm no expert so I'm only going to comment on items I have experience with.

CPU is a good choice. I just built my first system with it on a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R motherboard. It worked great for me so that's what I recommend. Ditto on the RAM.

I use a Seagate 80GB SATA 7200.10 and a Seagate 250GB SATA 7200.10. The 80GB is for the OS only; the 250GB for program files and some data. I may add a 500GB or bigger later just for data. Those drives work well for me. They're very quiet.

RAID? I'm not a big fan for home use. There are potential performance improvements with RAID, but that usually comes with a need for more drives and higher costs. Not sure it's worth the cost unless speed is an issue. I won't bore you with the details unless you ask for it.

If XP works for you now then it's a good choice. Vista is pretty good, but migrating to it can have it's issues.

As far as where to buy from? I'd check out Newegg.com.

Good luck.
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September 15, 2007 3:52:23 AM

Case - Antec Sonata III ATX Mid Tower - Antec Earthwatts 500 Watt PSU
-> Good choice for case & PSU

Processor - Quad Core Q6600
-> Also an excellent choice! Just what you want for editing photos/video.

Mother Board - anything in the P35 or 680i/650i chipsets should work great for what you want.
That site you mentioned has P35 motherboards:
-> MSI P35 Platinum Desktop Board
-> ASUSTeK P5K Deluxe/WiFi

Some 650i motherboards that also make good choices:
-> ASUSTeK P5N-E SLI
-> MSI P6N SLI Platinum

Video Card - MSI nVidia 8800GTS 640mb
-> What monitor are you using? What resolution? You might be able to get away with the 320MB model

Hard Drive - 500GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM Seagate Barracuda

Use internal drive for operating system and programs only. I will put all of my data on a separate external hard drive.

HDD Raid - Salesman recommends against RAID
So what should I use for backup?

-> Salesman was right. Friends dont let friends do RAID (unless they really need it). A seperate external hard drive is also a good solution for backup! e-SATA (e for external) is a good option as opposed to USB connected drive.
A USB Flash Drive - thumb drive makes a great data backup device: USB Flash Drive

What programs do you have and need, that you suspect might not work with Vista? It's always better to do a clean install on a new system than trying to upgrade XP to Vista later. And then there is always the dual boot option to use both XP and Vista if you need that for any reason.

Im not sure I have a lot of confidence in that website based on what the salesman said about not having P35 motherboards. Also the prices seem higher than they should be. Can you tell us why you want to use that site?

What hardware do you plan to carry over to your new system?
September 15, 2007 10:17:38 PM

Thanks again for the help. I picked pcsforeveryone because I don't know where to go to buy. Another site called Krex was mentioned in the same article. After reading this list, I checked out LU Computer in Cda. Although pcsforeveryone sells p35, it's not available for the Q6600 processor. Here is an updated configuration from LU Computer site:

Core 2 Duo Systems
CPU (NEW) Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz FSB 1066, 8MB Quad Core CPU (on sale)
CPU Cooling Zalman Fatal1ty CPU Fan FS-C77
(do I need this or does it come with the case?)
Memory 4GB OCZ DDR II 800Mhz PC2-6400 Flex XLC Liquid Convection RAM
Mother Board (NEW) ASUS P5K Deluxe WiFi Motherboard
(can't find the P35-DS3R on a custom built system)
Hard Drive 1 Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA
Optical Drive 1 Sony 18X DVD RW +- Dual Layer Serial ATA
Video nVidia ASUS 8800 GTS PCI E, 640MB, DUAL DVI, HTDP
(my monitor is Samsung syncmaster 213T 4 or 5 yrs old - set at 1600x1200 pixels, 32 bit color)
Audio Onboard Audio
Network Card Onboard Network Card
Modem 56K, Fax & Data Modem, V.92/.90
Floppy Drive Card Reader 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Case (NEW) Antec Lifestyle Sonata III Piano Black QUIET ATX Mid /500Watt PS
Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit
Warranty Free 3 Years Parts & Labor Warranty (valid when operating system is purchased)

Is this configuration OK and where should I buy that's less expensive and may give me the P35-DS3R motherboard.

Thanks.

Amy
September 15, 2007 10:23:47 PM

Get the Home premium Vista unless you need all the business stuff that comes with ultimate, they are almost the same. Also you can just get the stock fan, it should be just fine for you.

Everything else looks ok though. Are you in canada? or the US?
September 15, 2007 11:07:15 PM

Solariscs said:
Are you in canada? or the US?
I had the same question. pcsforeveryone.com is in Massachusetts and Lu Computers is in Toronto, Canada.
Krex is in Illinois. Knowing what state or province you're in can help us better suggest sources of supply.

And just to confirm you're not buying the individual parts to assemble (build) the PC yourself but want the PC assembled by the store, correct? If thats the case you'll want to bump the final price up against the big e-tailers like Dell and HP. The boutique e-stores you've been looking at so far offer better brand name parts and choices over components that you cant get at Dell and HP.

ASUS P5K Deluxe - - is in the same class as the P35-DS3R and a good overclocking motherboard too.
OCZ DDR II 800Mhz PC2-6400 Flex XLC Liquid Convection RAM - - is overclocking memory
CPU Cooling Zalman Fatal1ty CPU Fan FS-C77
- - overclocking part. C2 Q6600 has the stock heat sink fan HSF which should be OK unless you want to jump into overclocking.

The amount of RAM also has a bearing on what version of Vista to choose.
2GB RAM = Vista Home Premium 32bit (or you can also get 3GB if you want to spend a little extra)
4GB RAM = Vista Home Premium 64bit

September 16, 2007 1:04:27 AM

I am in the US. I want the store to assemble the computer for me. I don't know that I would ever overclock the computer but want top components. I haven't researched the vista programs but usually have business or professional versions of windows.

Amy
September 16, 2007 2:50:25 AM

Mwave.com may be the type of site you want. You can pick the components you want and they will assemble and test for an $80 fee. Prices are usually competitive from a wide selection of parts. Customer ratings are decent.
Mwave Customer Ratings more Mwave Customer Ratings

To select your custom build components choose the Computers / PCs on the main menu.
Choose "Build Your Own System" and you'll see the ASSEMBLY & TESTING option.

September 16, 2007 3:48:42 AM

I do assembly for around 40-50 :) 
September 16, 2007 5:41:57 AM

When comparing systems PLEASE compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

A DIY......

Rough quick numbers......

Q6600 under $300, retail with stock cooler
Graphics card that you spec'd $400
MB $110, retail with SATA cables.
RAM $200
PSU and case for $150
Vista Ultimate $185
A couple HD's (320GB) at $80 each x2.
DVD burner for $35

$1540

Buy wisely and chosing standard basic RAM and you might get the price down to $1400 or so.

Visiting the vendor/site that you suggested and trying to match the systems parts for parts I built a system that I listed above for better than $2000. Hmmmmmm.

Yes there is a warranty issue difference and some minor features. And shipping costs are not computed. And your time is valuable. I could easily justify spending the $2000 to avoid headaches.


But......

At Tigerdirect a build to order system ...... From $599

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/con...

I just slapped together a system for $1350 that has pretty much everything mentioned, EXCEPT no OS is preloaded, a single 320gb HD and the 8800 GTS 320mb. But for $185 you can buy Vista Ultimate OEM and do it yourself. Which puts the total system cost at $1535. Install your own graphics card and RAM and save a few $.

I think your selected vendor is over charging.
September 16, 2007 7:35:38 AM

Wow! I'm configuring with mwave and tiger direct. I will need to call on Mon so I can get more answers. I may have more questions about what to purchase.

Some questions for now:

Hard drive - wanted Seagate barracuda but Western Digital Caviar on mwave site and tiger doesn't say who mfg their drive.

Which brand video card (8800 GTS640MB DDR3) MSI, GeForce, Asus also get PCI or PCI express?
Tiger only offers 320mb

Case is either Sonata III with 500 watt psu or Coolmaster Centurion 532 is 450 watts (534 mentioned on this website not available)

Memory - mwave only has Kingston Hyper xkhx6400D2/2g 2gb pc26400 800 mhz CL5 5-5-5-15 240 pin DDR2 DIMM wheat spreader for 2gb ram on 2 sticks. Everything else is 1 GB ram per stick. And they are out of stock on the Kingston mentioned. They expect to receive it soon. Tiger only shows 1 GB x 4 and no brand mentioned. 2GB sticks are less expensive. Don't know how many slots available. Guess I have to wait until memory is available.

Mwave mentions additional "high performance memory options" Don't know what that is.

Controllers - The most usb ports at mwave are 6. I guess I'll have to buy an external hub. Do I get serial, parallel and do I need firewire? Nothing mentioned on Tiger product. Guess they're included. Will have to call them. too.

Totals on both systems are close but all the numbers aren't in yet. Comes in at about $1400-1600 + shipping, taxes? PCsforeveryone is $2000. Big difference!

Once again, thanks for all of the help.

Amy



September 16, 2007 11:03:44 AM

Amy9 said:
Wow! I'm configuring with mwave and tiger direct. I will need to call on Mon so I can get more answers. I may have more questions about what to purchase.

Some questions for now:

Hard drive - wanted Seagate barracuda but Western Digital Caviar on mwave site and tiger doesn't say who mfg their drive.

I would try to push them on the Seagate 7200.10 drive. If they want the sale bad enough, they will find one. If worse comes to worse, Western Digitals are still excellent quality, just not as fast.

Which brand video card (8800 GTS640MB DDR3) MSI, GeForce, Asus also get PCI or PCI express?
Tiger only offers 320mb
said:

Which brand video card (8800 GTS640MB DDR3) MSI, GeForce, Asus also get PCI or PCI express?
Tiger only offers 320mb

Unless you are gaming, you really do not need an 8800 series card. An 8600GT or a AMD2600XT will do just as well your your tasks. They will save money also. Best Nvidia brands are EVGA, and XFX. Best ATI is Sapphire.
Quote:

Case is either Sonata III with 500 watt psu or Coolmaster Centurion 532 is 450 watts (534 mentioned on this website not available)

Antec makes much higher quality power supplies than CoolerMaster. However, a Coolermaster Centurion with an Antec PSU would be a nice choice as well.
Quote:

Memory - mwave only has Kingston Hyper xkhx6400D2/2g 2gb pc26400 800 mhz CL5 5-5-5-15 240 pin DDR2 DIMM wheat spreader for 2gb ram on 2 sticks. Everything else is 1 GB ram per stick. And they are out of stock on the Kingston mentioned. They expect to receive it soon. Tiger only shows 1 GB x 4 and no brand mentioned. 2GB sticks are less expensive. Don't know how many slots available. Guess I have to wait until memory is available. Mwave mentions additional "high performance memory options" Don't know what that is.

Unless you are going with a 64 bit OS, 2x1gb PC6400 will do. High performance would be like CAS4. If they sell Corsair memory, I would go with that.
Quote:

Controllers - The most usb ports at mwave are 6. I guess I'll have to buy an external hub. Do I get serial, parallel and do I need firewire? Nothing mentioned on Tiger product. Guess they're included. Will have to call them. too.

If you will be hooking up a camera to the machine to transfer pictures or Video, Firewire is a goo idea.
September 16, 2007 2:52:36 PM

Amy9 said:
Hard drive - wanted Seagate barracuda but Western Digital Caviar on mwave site and tiger doesn't say who mfg their drive.

Which brand video card (8800 GTS640MB DDR3) MSI, GeForce, Asus also get PCI or PCI express?
Tiger only offers 320mb

Case is either Sonata III with 500 watt psu or Coolmaster Centurion 532 is 450 watts (534 mentioned on this website not available)

Memory - mwave only has Kingston Hyper xkhx6400D2/2g 2gb pc26400 800 mhz CL5 5-5-5-15 240 pin DDR2 DIMM wheat spreader for 2gb ram on 2 sticks. Everything else is 1 GB ram per stick. And they are out of stock on the Kingston mentioned. They expect to receive it soon. Tiger only shows 1 GB x 4 and no brand mentioned. 2GB sticks are less expensive. Don't know how many slots available. Guess I have to wait until memory is available.

Mwave mentions additional "high performance memory options" Don't know what that is.

Controllers - The most usb ports at mwave are 6. I guess I'll have to buy an external hub. Do I get serial, parallel and do I need firewire? Nothing mentioned on Tiger product. Guess they're included. Will have to call them. too.
@ Mwave: SEAGATE Barracuda 500GB ST3500630AS 7200.10 $115 More Seagate "bare drives"

Mwave mentions additional "high performance memory options" -> I think that is a pull down menu that shows the rest of the memory on offer:



You can view more memory options here: PC Memory - DDR2 High Performance
This looks like a great value: CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB KIT PC2 6400 4-4-4-12 DDR2 $104 (+ $40.00 Rebate)

Serial, Parallel and Firewire are all options available - depending on the motherboard you choose.
Do you need Serial and Parallel connectors? Most printers these days use USB connectors and not the older Parallel connector.
Firewire is high speed data transfer found in many digital cameras and video cameras. A good option to have.


Anonymous
September 16, 2007 3:02:35 PM


If putting together a system from TigerDirect, take a look at "cheap" serv ers. This can get you better quality for a comparable cost.
September 16, 2007 3:25:41 PM

Out of all the 8800GTS/640 cards I think the EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GEFORCE 8800GTS 640MB $380 (+ $20 rebate) is a good value.
We like the Evga lifetime warranty, good customer support and 90 day Step Up program (you have 90 days to trade in your Evga card for a higher end model getting credit for your purchase price).

September 17, 2007 2:31:55 AM

How's this, in no particular order?

Description Qty Each Total


ASSEMBLY & TESTING - Add to Cart
Assemble your selected configuration
Load necessary software/drivers
Test & check compatibility
No REFUNDS on assembly/testing
Please allow 5-7 working days for assembly
$79.99 $79.99
SKU:ASSEMTEST


# INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q6600 (BX80562Q6600) 2.4GHZ EM64T QUAD CORE W/4MB X 2 CACHE 1066MHZ LGA775-PIN RETAIL BOXED W/COOLING FAN (3 YEARS WARRANTY)THERMAL COMPOUND OPTIONS

$272.00 $272.00
SKU:BA23383 - [ Limit 1 ]


# GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R INTEL P35 CHIPSET ATX FORM FACTOR 1xPCI-E(X16)/3xPCI-E(X1)/3xPCI/4xDDR2 W/SATA2 RAID,LAN(Gb),USB 2.0 & AUDIO (CPU TYPE:INTEL - SOCKET 775)CPU OPTIONS
# STANDARD MEMORY OPTIONS
# HIGH PERFORMANCE MEMORY OPTIONS
# TESTING OPTIONS

$127.00 $127.00
SKU:BA23890 - - - -



# ANTEC SONATA III 500 (BLACK) ATX SUPER MINI TOWER CASE W/500W POWER SUPPLY 3x5.25" 2x3.5" 4x3.5"(hidden) W/FRONT I/O CONNECTORS & 120mm CASE FAN x 1EXTRA FAN OPTIONS

$113.85 $113.85
SKU:BA23892 -


# SONY DRU170C 16X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER DVD-RAM INTERNAL EIDE (Black) (Retail) (*Regular $56 - $11 Mwave Instant Discount = $45, While Supplies Last!)ACCESSORIES OPTIONS
# MEDIA OPTIONS
# CD CASE OPTIONS

$45.00 $45.00
SKU:4359245 - - -

Is this DVD good enough? Does it load, play and copy CD's also?

USR 56K V.92 PCI INTERNAL FAX MODEM (Retail) ($10 Mail-In Manufacturer Rebate Available from 04/01/07 till 09/30/07)
$37.79 $37.79
SKU:1031568


NEC 1.44MB BLACK FLOPPY FD1231H-302 (Bare drive)
$7.90 $7.90
SKU:AA36600


STARTECH.COM 6-PORT USB 2.0 PCI CARD VALUE PACK (Retail)
$15.04 $15.04
SKU:1056779


Think I should get a dual boot system with 2 internal hard drives. Put XP on the smaller drive.

MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP PRO SINGLE PACK SP2 #E85-04964 (DSP)
$134.90 $134.90
SKU:AA39870

Not sure of the difference between $134.90 version of xp pro and one for $3 less so I took the more expensive.


MICROSOFT WINDOWS VISTA 64BIT ULTIMATE 1PK DVD(DSP) #66R-00838
$179.90 $179.90
SKU:AA66810


# SEAGATE 500GB ST3500630AS SATA300 7200RPM 16B (Bare drive)

$114.90 $114.90
SKU:AA38230 - - -

Didn't see the number 7200.10


# SEAGATE 250GB ST3250620AS SATA2 16MB 7200RPM (Bare drive)

$72.90 $72.90
SKU:AA48650 - - - [ Limit 1 ]



CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400C4 2GB KIT (1GB x 2) PC26400 800MHZ MATCHED PAIR 4-4-4-12 240-PIN DDR2 DIMM ($40.00 Mail-In Manufacturer Rebate Available from 9/15/07 till 9/22/07)
$104.00 $104.00
SKU:BA30168 [ Limit 2 ]


STARTECH.COM 4-PORT FIREWIRE IEEE-1394 PCI CARD W/ DIGITAL VIDEO EDITING KIT (#PCI1394_4) (Retail)
$22.27 $22.27
SKU:1720260


STARTECH.COM 1-PORT EPP/ECP PARALLEL PCI CARD VALUE PACK (Retail) (NO STOCK - Estimate arrival on 9/15/2007)
$25.76 $25.76
SKU:3314285

I still have printer on Parallel with hub and color printer does not have usb.


EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GEFORCE 8800GTS 640MB DDR3 PCI-Express w/HDCP DVI+DVI+HDTVOut ROHS $20.00 Mail-In Manufacturer Rebate Available Till 9/30/2007
$379.90 $379.90
SKU:AA52230


# MICROSOFT OFFICE BASIC 2007 1PK MEDIALESS KIT #S55-01347/8(OEM-NO CD)NO OPK KIT

$162.00 $162.00
SKU:AA67170 -

Not sure what to do with Office. No disk included. Must download from Microsoft for backup. Is that OK?


LOGITECH MX REVOLUTION CORDLESS LASER MOUSE USB (Black) (Retail) (*Regular $85 - $8 Mwave Instant Discount = $77, While Supplies Last!)
$77.00 $77.00
SKU:4146093

Is this mouse a waste of $$. Recommended by an 11 yo. Now I have to buy myself a game.


KEYTRONIC E03601U2 104-KEY KEYBOARD USB (Black) (Retail)
$25.35 $25.35
SKU:4357022

Do I get usb keyboard?

Save Shopping Cart Retrieve Saved Shopping Cart Clear Shopping Cart Sub Total $1,997.45

I think the rebates are not part of the price. I think Tiger includes them in their quoted price.


*If you have received an mwave coupon code, please login to display.

Where can I get a code?

I think the Tiger direct price is very close. They don't have all of the same components so I can't compare. They also do not give all brand names.

Am I missing anything?
September 17, 2007 2:34:22 AM

Oh, also, the Seagate drive doesn't say that it's a barracuda. How do I know that it is?
September 17, 2007 3:16:36 AM

That HDD is really nice. Everything looks really good. I would get Vista home premium though, instead of the ultimate. That mouse is amazing, I have it and it's really good for your hand, my wrist never hurts after hours of use. I don't know about the keyboard, I would get a really nice one with a build like yours. That DVD drives seems really expensive, but its good. It will do whatever you want it to.

Looks like that's about it, everything it nice. :) 
September 17, 2007 3:20:22 AM

Why vista home premium? I looked at the comparison and thought Ultimate had more to offer.
September 17, 2007 3:21:28 AM

well if you use all that other stuff, than get it, but most people don't really use it. Look at the options and see if you need them. If you don't, why pay for them? :) .
September 17, 2007 4:08:28 AM

I just printed off the specs for everything and found the barracuda and 7200.10 notations for the 250GB drive but not the 500GB drive. I'll have to ask the dealer about it.
September 17, 2007 4:44:55 AM

DVD good enough? Does it load, play and copy CD's also? Yes!
Didn't see the number 7200.10 If you run the HD's model# ST3500630AS on the Seagate website you get this:
Barracuda 7200.10 Perpendicular Recording model confirmed. Same for the ST3250620AS 250GB.

I still have printer on Parallel with hub and color printer does not have usb.

The GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R motherboard you selected has the legacy Parallel port (LPT1) so you shouldnt need the STARTECH EPP/ECP PARALLEL PCI CARD. Or are you trying to get a LPT2 to have both printers hooked up to the PC? Can either of your printers use the Serial/COM port? Some printers can use either parallel or serial.


Do I get usb keyboard? Is this mouse a waste of $$. You have the option of the old style PS/2 Keyboard & Mouse or a USB/USB wireless keyboard. If you have a Computer or Office Supply superstore nearby a trip to look at the keyboard/mouse combos can be worth the time so you get something you like and that feels "good" to you.
$77 for the mouse alone is pretty steep - especially when you get a good wireless keyboard / wireless laser mouse combo for $82 LOGITECH CORDLESS DESKTOP MX 3200

the rebates are not part of the price - Correct it shows the price your CC will get charged. You'll do the usual work to get the rebates sent to you.
Where can I get a code? Most coupon codes are for specific items. If you sign up for the MWave email newsletter you'll a $10 general coupoun you can use.

Office. No disk included. You should be able to order the DVD from MS for a shipping and handling fee if you want that. You can also try MS Office free for 60 days while you decide what version you need. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

Let MS help you decide if you need Home Premium or Ultimate.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/default.mspx

If you have any programs that will NOT run on Vista - then yes dual boot with XP. You can always install XP later.

September 17, 2007 6:55:34 PM

One more issue. I called the store today.

I thought I'd get 4GB ram, Vista 64 bit and dual boot with xp pro. My expectation is to keep this for 5 yrs and maybe within the next 2 yrs 64 bit would be more of a standard. There are only 4 slots for ram. I either get the Corsair memory which comes 1GB per stick and will fill up all of the slots ( $104=2GB $208=4GB) or Kingston, which is the only memory they have with 2GB on one stick ($178.50=2GB $357=4GB.

or

I get Vista 32 bit which only requires 2 GB ram and I buy the Corsair 2 - 1GB sticks. If I go with Vista 32 bit, do I still need to dual boot with XP Pro to run old programs or will Vista 32 bit run most of them?

September 17, 2007 7:38:11 PM

You don't need the Startech USB card, plenty of USB 2.0 ports on your motherboard already.

I don't think you need a floppy drive either. Just get yourself a $20 flash drive with 1 GB or 2 GB on it.

Since you need Firewire, maybe get GA-P35-DS3P instead of GA-P35-DS3R, and then you don't need to buy a PCI card for Firewire. TBH I don't know if it's better to have the DS3R with 2 free PCI slots and a third occupied by a Firewire card, or the DS3P with two free PCI slots.
September 17, 2007 9:01:43 PM

Without knowing what programs you will be using with Vista its probably best if you stop by this website:
Vista Software Compatibility List and have you look for your programs on that listing. It shows what programs run without problems (Works), those that will run using compatibility options suchs as " Right-click and choose Run As Administrator" and those programs that have major issues with Vista. I'm betting most of your programs will be "good to go".

If you get the Retail version of Windows Vista Home Premium you can have both 32bit (included DVD) now and 64bit later (pay shipping and handling to get the 64bit DVD from MS). You can get 2GB RAM now and upgrade to 4GB or 6GB (2x1GB + 2x2GB) later.



September 18, 2007 3:29:34 AM

I have to agree that Sony DVD drive is overpriced. $30-35 is about right these days.

I also assume you still have need of a floppy drive?
September 18, 2007 10:13:38 PM

Order just placed. You are all the first to know.

I went with the 2GB ram and 32 bit Home Premium because I have most of the stuff or can get the extras in Ultimate. Unfortunately the store doesn't sell the retail version so I'm stuck buying vista again in the future. Maybe in 2 yrs the upgrade price will make sense. Full retail cost is +$80 on the Home Premium version now. I found a less expensive DVD drive and I bought floppy cause I still need to search my floppy disks for the spreadsheet with my passwords and then toss all the floppy disks. I bought the extra USB ports because I currently have 7 in use (treo phone sync cable, camera card reader, hub, 2 external hard drives, 2 scanners - a flatbed and new high speed little desktop Canon for my soon-to-be paperless office, printer on parallel - will move to usb and remove parallel hub, old color printer only option is parallel, new mouse usb, thumb drive, will use old keyboard for now on ps2 plug and buy a new one after I try it - that's all I can think of but there will be more usb cables in the future.

Thanks again everyone for your input. I expect the computer in 10 business days.

Amy
September 19, 2007 1:43:57 AM

Hopefully the hard part is over (except for paying the credit card off).
Good luck and let us know how things went.
October 7, 2007 7:39:01 PM

I received the computer and am still working on setting it up. I can't comment on its speed because I haven't done much with it yet besides load some programs (no games) and not really use them. The dual boot requires going to the bios and changing drive boot order. This does not take long so it's ok to do.

I would like to say some nice things about mwave.com. Their website was informative about product specs and easy to navigate and order. They did what they said and in a timely fashion. They are small and tech support is small, but they answered one question for me within a few hours. I am happy with them, and would use them again. The computer is up and running and seems to work fine. Thank you for directing me to mwave.com!!!

One little negative. Everything that can go wrong setting up, has gone wrong. The trials and tribulations of setting up.

I kicked the phone jack under the desk and it took me a few tries (at least an hour) to fix it successfully.

Winfax 10 not compatible with Outlook 2003. I previously used Outlook XP. Lots of reading and more hours pass but problem is solved. Winfax won't work in Vista so plans are to convert old faxes to pdf and get a new fax program.

Printer not giving me double sided print option in XP but does in Vista. Go figure, the printer is 6 years old. Hopefully, will solve this when I get online and download new drivers. I did use the disk that came with the printer to load drivers so don't know why this is happening.

Here's my favorite current problem. Imported all Outlook data into new pst file using Vista (xp wouldn't do it). On old computer, exported to csv (dos) files from archive.pst (office xp version). Imported csv (dos) into outlook.pst (office 2003 version). Everything looks fine. When I open the file using xp, all the one day events become 2 day events. When I reopen using vista, all 1 day events read as 2 day events. Don't know why this is happening and haven't found anything online about it. Any ideas??? My last try will be to hotsync the Palm Treo with xp try the file on both operating systems. Problem solved. It was not a Vista issue but a time zone problem with outlook.

Decided to get nod32 anti virus. Will load that and zone alarm, firefox, thunderbird and then I'm back in business.

I've stopped loading into vista for now but will pick it up in the future. I need to be sure that all of Office, printer, scanner and any software used every day work with vista before considering using it.

Amy
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