VR-Zone: R680 To Score 20K In 3DMark06

i wanna see how the perform in game...not 3dmark.

But the news does look good for AMD/ATI

Dual gpu is obviously the future and this seems very likely since R670 is supposed to be 55nm...

Wow... 20000  rool: I wonder if they will allow crossfiring 2 of these, i think they will just to show off but i wonder if it will be worth it by then, crysis will be the tell tale i think.

"AMD's ambitious plan to integrate two RV670 into a single die" *drools*
if thats true i think that should perform way better then having to spereate dies on the same board just think 2core per core HD2950X2X in x fire with 2-3 other cards of the same.
edit: all so free 4xaa at every res woo!

Why is everybody talking lately about free 4xaa? Where did you hear that?

Man, if this thing comes and is less than $500, less than 12 inches long, and runs on my OCZ 600w power supply, than I will be selling my 8800GTS (haven't even received it yet) in favor of one.

The bullet points said that crossfire will be possible. Imagine the bungholio marks you could get with two of those  

Somehow this looks more like an "Official" rumor than anything else. It might be a dual die chips, or it might have two chips built into a single die. Which is it? It has GDDR3? The HD 2900 XT 1 gig is using GDDR4, so why the step backwards in memory? "Another (anonymous) source told us that R680 could reach 20k in 3DMark06 or rather the target that AMD is trying to acheive." That's not fact, that's unsubstantiated rumor based on a dream of ATI.  

For myself, I don't believe any of this rumor as it stands. When a R680 card does come out and is seen in reviews, then some real statements can be made about it. I think it should be kept in mind that a lot of people were believing that the HD 2900 XT was going to blow the socks off the Nvidia 8800 GTS and some even claimed the 8800 GTX. Guess what didn't happen. Rumors and dreams are just that. Real reviews and facts show the truth of a matter.

After the HD 2900XT and K10 debacle, I'll have to see it to believe anything from AMD/ATI. Also, where's the "free 4xAA" coming from? There have been no announcements eDRAM would be integrated into R680, and even then there are limits based on resolution etc.

Didn't you guys learn anything from ATI's last release? Flooding the market with lots of hype then not being able to get it up when it was time to perform. When they were ready they couldn't even compete with the top dog.

Sailer is right on target,

Especially if they're 12"! Thats gotta count for something!  

-mcg

But aren't we all looking for an excuse to buy a new "extra long" case to fit these "extra long" video cards?    

I see the last hype from ATI would have been true only if AMD didn't buy them out. Right after AMD bought ATI, they went all out trying to get into the integrated graphics arena and basically made ATI kinda throw the tru R600 out the door.

Or at least thats what I think. But with this and AMDs recent history of hyping stuff I can't believe it. I love ATI in graphics since I have always had a great experience but since AMD owns ATI I am sure its just hype for now.

But if AMD was smart they wouldn't be lagging in the graphics arena especially since Intel has plans to expand to discrete graphics cards in 2008/2009. And with the current roll of NVidia I am sure they wont be a push over. I guess they got sick of losing for 3 generations of cards. 9700/5900, 9800/6800 and the last one x1900/7900.

Lets just hope AMD pulls this one off.

I liek to look at the bigger picture from the HD2900XT launch. First off, the company was going through a HUGE transition, I don't expect a company to generate a great product when you're still deciding who's replacing who and what not; hence the drivers kind of sucked. Second, it was delayed primarily because of this. And lastly, the advertising was primarily rumors and word of mouth.

But now that AMD has their sh*t back together and their pumping out new products like ATi used to, I'd going to give the HD2950 a +1 and high hopes; and I haven't done that since the X1800XTX launch.

Good point. But they did take a longer than expected time to recover, not good for profit to stay disorganised for too long.

And btw, the 2900XT does blow the 8800GTS away, in stalker  

Well, the HD2900XT has come a long way now though with new drivers. I recall reading a post in here where a member posted huge gains with the new 7.9 drivers. So that's good. As for the HD2900 Pro, that's already turning out to be a huge success as far as I can tell, and than you have the HD2950 which looks to be the first video card to use the PCI-E 2.0 bus. All in all I'd say AMD has recovered is on track to deliver ATI based products the way they used to be.  

Which is 100% awesome. And I read that huge improvemtns thread also, lots a near-flaming there, but good info too, keeps your hopes up that AMD can spring back  

But stalker, must be the only game I've seen that really LOVES more VRAM, the 640mb GTS gets like 20-25fps more than the 320mb on modest resolutions.

Not to sure why is does, I never liked the game, especially after I read that it copied a lot of textures from other games, that really turned me off from the game altogether. But I wonder how the 1GB versions of the HD series cards would vary against each other in that game, just for the sake of sheer curiosity.

"4xAA is a compulsory standard to support in 10.1"
eh it is from the inquirer tho
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/08/09/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX#DirectX_10.1 and here they probably got it from the inquirer too.
then again this prolly just means that all dx10.1 games use 4xaa even on lowest settings.
edit:
rock solid proof from ms dx10.1 press release thing. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,2168429,00.a...

3dmark is a joke

If the specs hold true ... which I think they will ... the answer is yes to all your hopes .... and run alot cooler and directx 10.1 !!!! The ATI division was completely revamped by AMD and is just now getting it together .... looks like we will reap alot of benefits after all if we waited on at least the second generation of cards ! I really can't see why anyone with any years of experience would have paid $800.00 - $900.00 for a first gen video card or one or a pair that had to be dramatically overclocked because of lousey components to perform descent !!!! -----  

The 790FX mobo will have 4 pci e lanes so if you put 4 of those dual RV670s then we have a killer.

Here's the problem...


They don't make 2Kw Power Supplies.

All i know is nvidia aint just sitting around...

R680 will be a sweet card, pretty much what R600 was supposed to be x 2. IMO there is no question it will blow Ultra out of the water in any game (excluding possible temporary drivers issues for both manufacturers).

That said, IMHO nVidia will have faster flagship arround R680 release. Why? It had 6+ months of bonus time for the next core while ATI was struggling to release 2900XT, not to speak of merger havoc. It can spend more resources on R&D than AMD for graphics. It also doesnt have reputation sleeping on laurels, its more like fast moving predator (remember how 3DFx was eaten alive?). Exception was R9700, which was amazingly good at the time, dont think AMD can pull this off atm.

Another reason why nVidia probably will have faster flagship is... AMDs current planning. AMD doesnt go for the fastest at any cost, it goes for the best self cost/performance ratio. Thats why majority 2900XT had GDDR3 instead of faster GDDR4, and it wouldnt suprise me R680 would be the same.

AMD plan (IMO) is to get as much mass market as possible, and not the highest performing parts, unless it would be possible without high additional cost.

Also AMD prices products a bit cheaper than concurents for the same performance, so we can expect R680 would be cheaper than whatever nVidia is cooking for more than a year now, which is good for us.

True, R680 x 4 could be faster than next Nvidia flagship x 3, and hopefully drivers fixed, it seems ATI is doing better than nvidia in this regard lately.



its 55nm tech process, R680 probably will use less power than 2900XT, and maybe even less than 200W, judging by RV670. So <1,5kW should be sufficient for 2 x Phenom, 4 x R680, 4GB memory, etc.

It's just ad hype, rumors, and wishful thinking until we see benchmarks.

Better put a third mortgage on the house to pay for all of that.

200W x 4 = 800W. Plus you have to power fans, the CPU, memory, hard drive/s, and whatever else you have in your case. People are using 1Kw PSUs with just ONE 8800GTX or HD2900XT. If you add THREE more to the equation, yeah, you're gonna be needing 2Kw's of power AT LEAST. A die shrink isn't going to do much when ou've got four of them sumbitches in there. haha.

But man...could you imagine the Bunghuliomarks with four of those things? Holy smokes...(add in a 4x4 Phenom platform and you've got Bunghuliomark scores unheard of.   )

Tbh for 8800 GTX SLI is enough 500W if PSU good quality, recommended 700-800W is overkill, unless you plan to OC and pack loads of HDD. R680 will probably use less power than GTX, also MB itself wont be as hungry as current gen. Even 1,2kW quality PSU would be just enough, but no much room for extra devices, thats why <1,5kW should be fine IMHO. Of course, its all very preliminary, we dont know hard data yet.


yes   I'm also sure we will see worldwide several such systems in ultra enthusiasts homes  

for once someone who makes sense.

Iv seen an AcBell 300w take on a 7800GTX 512 without issues, same as a 8800GTS 640mb with an AcBell 400, and a generic 400w with a 8600GTS.

Does anyone know why companies like ATI and Nvidia dont just release their plans to the public? Because i wouldnt think it would be for competition reasons since Nvidia for example could just send someone to get hired at ATI and then send info back etc.. or the other way around

I've heard that these company's make their employees sign massive amounts of paperwork when they are hired that solely specify that they cannot release any information from within the company until a certain time period (even after they quit) and if they do, they can get in deep **** (lawsuits). Although i don't know if it is true, it would definitely make sense.

Ah ic, i did not know that but it makes prefect sense. However i still dont see the reason for holding information back, unless its just a protective measure so if they dont meet a release date then they dont have to worry about their investors panicking..

When AMD/ATI says, "launched @ second half of 2006 or Q3 of 2007", they mean "end of December 2006 or end of September 2007 with token quantities available". Besides, delays of 3 or 6 months are not uncommon.

Nobody knows... ATI's fast 1800 to 1900 transform prove that ATI have always two products reparetely in development. This time it took much longer to upgrade. So they may aswell be in time. Every thing we know about R600, tells that it would have been good product if the clocks could have been what ATI hoped.
This autumn seems to be interestin. Good upgrades comeing from both companies!

Life is good ;-)