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October 8, 2007 12:19:37 PM

okay hello guys, this may be in the wrong section, but i couldnt find anything else

k my problem is : im about to buy a 360, and i want to connect it to my hdcp 22"inch lcd monitor. if u use hdmi to dvi converter can i get 1080p or only 720p. would the image look streched?

cuz wouldnt 720p on a 22" monitor look streched, is there a differenece between using the vga adapter or the hdmi one. cuz i believe hdmi would look better and supprot 1080p, even on a 22"inch monitor

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October 8, 2007 12:51:25 PM

I use the xbox360 vga adaptor and i get a 1920x1080 picture. I've read on some forums that the xbox can't do 16:10, that it only does 16:9.

Some hdtvs have a way to under/overscan the image so it will appear correctly, not sure if yours does.

The xbox does widescreen very well.
October 8, 2007 1:00:48 PM

what size of monitor do u have?
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October 8, 2007 4:09:59 PM

clonecommander said:
what size of monitor do u have?



he mentioned 22" in his first post :p 
October 8, 2007 4:36:13 PM

clonecommander said:
okay hello guys, this may be in the wrong section, but i couldnt find anything else

k my problem is : im about to buy a 360, and i want to connect it to my hdcp 22"inch lcd monitor. if u use hdmi to dvi converter can i get 1080p or only 720p. would the image look streched?

cuz wouldnt 720p on a 22" monitor look streched, is there a differenece between using the vga adapter or the hdmi one. cuz i believe hdmi would look better and supprot 1080p, even on a 22"inch monitor
Well you can't get 1080p because nearly all 22" LCDs have a native resolution of 1680x1050. Depending on your monitor, 720p may or may not be displayed correctly depending on it's supported resolutions and scaling options.
October 8, 2007 5:21:13 PM

k so my monitor can play at 720p
:fou:  and not at 1080p

is there a noticable difference. when i get an xbox 360, how can i tell what im running at, 720p, 1080p, etc
October 8, 2007 6:23:25 PM

clonecommander said:
k so my monitor can play at 720p
:fou:  and not at 1080p

is there a noticable difference. when i get an xbox 360, how can i tell what im running at, 720p, 1080p, etc
You shouldn't be able to notice a difference because Xbox360 games don't run at 1080p anyways. The highest native resolution a game will support is 720p, and setting your Xbox360 to 1080p will simply make games use the hardware upscaler stretch the image to 1080p. That being said, the upscaler is pretty good and will still make games look nice on a 1080p display, but it isn't quite the same as playing in native 1080p. I use my Xbox360 Elite on my HDTV in 1080i, but have never tried to use it on my monitor.
October 8, 2007 6:30:17 PM

k, so i buy 360 with hdmi, and hdmi to dvi adapter, do i use this or vga adapter, which would look better?
October 8, 2007 6:36:29 PM

Heyyou27 said:
You shouldn't be able to notice a difference because Xbox360 games don't run at 1080p anyways. The highest native resolution a game will support is 720p, and setting your Xbox360 to 1080p will simply make games use the hardware upscaler stretch the image to 1080p. That being said, the upscaler is pretty good and will still make games look nice on a 1080p display, but it isn't quite the same as playing in native 1080p. I use my Xbox360 Elite on my HDTV in 1080i, but have never tried to use it on my monitor.


Im not disagreeing with you, but why are there several games that have 1080p supported on the back of the box and when (and im not sure which one it was) the tennis game came out that was the first one to have the 1080p support did a gameinformer release that this was the first game that actually supported 1080p and didnt have to be upscaled like others that only had to be 720p. I mean halo 3 claims it supports 1080p, so why would they put it on the box that it supports it if in fact it is just a 720p game upscaled to 1080p. Im just curious! Oh and if anyone was curious Halo 3 looks 100% better @ 1080p on a 50" tv over a 720p 50" tv (my friends over my own comparison) due to the lack of AA in the game.

Best,

3Ball
October 8, 2007 7:15:06 PM

Sorry 3Ball, but Halo3 is only 640P.

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&ci...
"One item making the interwebs rounds this week was the scandalous revelation that Halo 3 runs at “640p” which isn’t even technically a resolution. However, the interweb detectives did notice that Halo 3’s vertical resolution, when captured from a frame buffer, is indeed 640 pixels. So what gives? Did we short change you 80 pixels?"

I'm not sure if you will be able to notice the difference between the VGA and the DVI cables. Since the VGA cable will most likely cost more than a dvi adaptor $30 vs $5 i'd recommend the dvi.
October 8, 2007 7:23:27 PM

so my monitor would look display halo 3 the best it can right, at 720p
October 9, 2007 2:18:30 AM

predaking said:
Sorry 3Ball, but Halo3 is only 640P.

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&ci...
"One item making the interwebs rounds this week was the scandalous revelation that Halo 3 runs at “640p” which isn’t even technically a resolution. However, the interweb detectives did notice that Halo 3’s vertical resolution, when captured from a frame buffer, is indeed 640 pixels. So what gives? Did we short change you 80 pixels?"

I'm not sure if you will be able to notice the difference between the VGA and the DVI cables. Since the VGA cable will most likely cost more than a dvi adaptor $30 vs $5 i'd recommend the dvi.


Thx for the link man that was an interesting read. Now I am even less impressed that they werent able to program an engine that could hold the 30 fps better than it does and also have AA in it. Since it is not the most impressive that we have seen and aparently runs at a realatively low res as it is and thats without even mentioning that the shaders are not dynamic. Oh well...the game is fun for me so all is well. lol

Best,

3Ball
October 9, 2007 2:59:49 AM

3Ball said:
Im not disagreeing with you, but why are there several games that have 1080p supported on the back of the box and when (and im not sure which one it was) the tennis game came out that was the first one to have the 1080p support did a gameinformer release that this was the first game that actually supported 1080p and didnt have to be upscaled like others that only had to be 720p. I mean halo 3 claims it supports 1080p, so why would they put it on the box that it supports it if in fact it is just a 720p game upscaled to 1080p. Im just curious! Oh and if anyone was curious Halo 3 looks 100% better @ 1080p on a 50" tv over a 720p 50" tv (my friends over my own comparison) due to the lack of AA in the game.

Best,

3Ball
As you now know, the resolution printed on the back isn't always accurate, and is in fact often a resolution achieved through scaling.
October 9, 2007 3:29:40 AM

definitely go for the hdmi to Dvi (HDMI=DVI + Sound) so u won't be losing any HD'ness. I play my 360 elite on my dell 2407wfp (native res 1920x1200). Luckily, this monitor scales down to 1:1 and I'm able to play 1080p with 2 black lines on the top and bottom of the screen. I'm not sure what you monitor will support, maybe if u could post the model number, we could take a look.

-if you have a friend with a 360, drag your monitor over and see what res you can get at most in the screen settings (in the 360 menu)

-if you have the money and need a monitor and 360 display, get a dell like I did. I bought it coz I know I will be building a pc soon and will be using it for both (dont have a tv)


hope this helps
October 9, 2007 4:14:42 AM

ja7mad, what revision 2407 do you have? i have A03 and i cant get 1:1 scale working..i presume you have A04, but haven't been able to find confirmation that 1:1 actully works

anyway, i wouldnt worry too much about res. of games, because any game at 1080 with AA will not have very good visuals, it will just look clear. consoles are not powerful enough to achieve both.

For example Grand turismo HD on the ps3 is 1080, but graphics are not very impressive

so 720p will be perfectly fine for you, especially on a 22" monitor. 1080p will only become useful when it comes to HD movies, and that hasn't really taken of just yet

October 9, 2007 4:36:18 AM

I bought it about a month ago (crossed my fingers and hoped they would have included 1:1 coz i read they didnt support it yet) On the back it says Rev A00 :S so I guess I have A00. Is there somewhere else u can find the rev number?
October 9, 2007 6:25:06 AM

Unless your monitor has 1:1 pixel mapping your image WILL be squished. Some games are more noticable than others. If your monitor does not support 1:1 pixel mapping then most monitors will allow you to stretch the image out losing picture on the sides but with the benefit of looking at an image that isnt squished. You will have to play with different resolutions to figure out which looks best because at some resolutions even having the image stretched all the way out may still look distorted.

I also have the Dell 24HC and its amazing playing the 360 in 1080p without any distortion.
October 9, 2007 6:56:22 AM

i'm doing the same with a vga to my 226bw. Will i run into any squishing?
October 9, 2007 7:13:28 AM

eric54 said:
i'm doing the same with a vga to my 226bw. Will i run into any squishing?



Yes... Unless within the last 2 month Microsoft has added 16:10 support you will get a squished imaged. Like I said some games I couldnt even tell but games like Forza 2.... Big time.

Many 360 customers are outraged because they offer VGA on there systems but will not support most PC monitor resolutions. Most common wide screen resolutions being 1440x900 and 1680x1050.

http://www.petitiononline.com/X3601610/petition.html

The lack of 16:10 support was one of the reasons for picking up a Dell 24.
October 9, 2007 11:00:21 AM

this is a review of my monitor with specs

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2007/review-acer-...

can u tell if it has 1:1 pixel mapping?

this page it talks about xbox 360 supports

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2007/review-acer-...



another thing i noticed was that on the second page they didnt talk about distortion or anything, they said it was converted beautifully, and they used the vga adapter, if i would use hdmi adapter wouldnt it be better/?

but if i use hdmi, will squishing be a problem at all?

is there any way i can test to see if i have 1:1 pixel mapping? im so confused
October 10, 2007 4:05:44 AM

Quote:
I bought it about a month ago (crossed my fingers and hoped they would have included 1:1 coz i read they didnt support it yet) On the back it says Rev A00 :S so I guess I have A00. Is there somewhere else u can find the rev number?


theres 2 stickers on the back, looking from the back its on the left side (on mine anyway) its a bar code then underneath youll find it...

clonecommander, i had a quick look at that review and found a few things. It has HDCP, which is good, but dose not do 1:1 mapping. or rather they did not mention it.

As it is a monitor meant for PCs (only have DVI and VGA) it will most likely only do 16:10 (PC) images, and most probably stretch 16:9 (xbox)

unfortunately it is hard to find monitors that do 1:1 mapping as most are meant for PCs and 1:1 inst really an issue. the dell 2407wfp is the only one i know of that does, with the latest revision anyway. I understand you probably have a budget issue. but if you use your xbox alot, id suggest save up a bit more money and go for the dell 2407
October 10, 2007 5:29:19 AM

The Gateway 24 and the BenQ 24 support 1:1 pixel mapping. The BenQ actually even supports HDMI but I think its terms of price to performance the Dell is the best deal.
October 10, 2007 9:30:49 AM

im a poor man, but in the review, it doesnt say anythign about squishing with the vga adapter

is there any way i can check to see if i have 1:1 pixel mapping
October 10, 2007 8:00:40 PM

I don't think I've seen any 22" monitors that support 1:1. Go google it. I don't know much about the Acer but if its got a video processor that can upconvert or downconvert to match the resolution on the screen without distorting the image I suppose it can work with a 360 but I don't know if it does or not. This is how most TVs work.
October 11, 2007 2:35:18 AM

i think it does, cuz in the link in my review it says image looks beautiful when converted to the acer monitor.
October 11, 2007 7:47:44 AM

Well only way to know for sure is to hook up a 360 to your monitor. If you have a friend that has one why dont you ask if they could bring it over and test it out. Thats what I did with my samsung 19" and I couldnt tell if it was squished until I started playing Forza 2.
October 11, 2007 12:09:27 PM

wait lets say i dont play at 1280 by 720 (720p), but instead at
1280 by 1024, or 1360 by 760, or something like that, Is it still in high defintion or does it have to be (1280 by 720 or 1920 by 1080) to be high defintion? i would most likely pust the resolution at 1280 by 1024.
October 12, 2007 3:43:23 AM

well high definitions is really saying higher then what we use to use.

resolutions such as 1280x1024 could be considered high def. but the industry standard is 1280x720. in terms of your xbox, no game will actully output 1280x1024
October 12, 2007 11:23:26 AM

what do u mean no games will output at 1280 by 1024?
October 12, 2007 11:47:38 AM

clonecommander said:
what do u mean no games will output at 1280 by 1024?

The Xbox360 won't output a resolution of 1280x1024.
October 12, 2007 11:56:16 AM

yes it does, its a supported resolution.
October 12, 2007 11:58:28 AM

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360prosystem/h...

If you're using the Xbox 360 VGA HD AV Cable to connect your Xbox 360 console to a computer monitor or TV monitor with a VGA connection, you'll have the opportunity to select from a variety of resolutions. They are:

* 640 x 480
* 848 x 480
* 1024 x 768
* 1280 x 720 (equivalent to 720p)
* 1280 x 768
* 1280 x 1024
* 1360 x 768
* 1920 x 1080
October 12, 2007 12:27:19 PM

but how about with a hdmi to dvi adapter? what resolutions?

and lets say i play at 1280 by 1024, is it better than 1280 by 720, or is it worse?
October 12, 2007 12:57:06 PM

i would assume that the resolutions would be the exact same for vga and hdmi.

one of those resolutions is 5:4 the other is 16:9.
October 12, 2007 8:56:35 PM

ok, so i would probably play at 1280 by 1024 with hdmi ? right?
October 12, 2007 9:18:33 PM

clonecommander said:
yes it does, its a supported resolution.
But games won't be played at 1280x1024, will they? Would they simply be upscaled or what?
October 12, 2007 10:39:12 PM

Ah, the joys of owning a 10+ year old CRT monitor that can play HD content from a 360/PC flawlessly. No slowness, ghosting, resolution worries, black level issues, squished images or dead pixels on a new monitor. Too bad finding a NEW Sony Trinitron flat screen 24" CRT is damn near next to impossible.
October 13, 2007 1:02:40 AM

so should i use hdmi or vga?
October 13, 2007 9:17:48 AM

Man... Your are thinking way to hard about this... No amount of explaination will make you understand until you actually see it, not to sound rude or insult you, but this is how it was to me. I also had ALOT of questions so I know where your coming from. You really need to start doing some more research online. AVSforum is a great resource for this kind of stuff and you will have an opportunity to speak with people in your position and people who have been in your position.

Also get someone to bring there 360 over to your place and test out on various games. This is pretty much what I did. Once you test it out it will probably answer all your questions.
October 25, 2007 4:42:01 PM

GO with Hdmi. vga if im correct can only display 480p someone correct me if im wrong on this
October 25, 2007 9:02:16 PM

Typically that is the case... but with new updates on the 360 I can get up to 1080P using VGA. That way I have my DVI port freed up for my PC.
October 31, 2007 11:46:37 PM

The XBox 360 will let you configure whether you want 4x3 or 16x9, and on the 16x9 option you can select 3 configurations (standard, extended, and another one that I can't recall off the top of my head). You should be able to get it to fit a ratio that looks good on your monitor/TV. I would suggest HDMI and go for HiDef, because there is a HUGE difference in the quality (I run a 65" TV and speak from experience on this one!).
November 1, 2007 9:58:25 PM

I just hooked up an acer monitor (22" 16:10 resolutions, HDCP compliant) to my 360 using a HDMI to DVI cable. However when i look in displays, i only get to choose from normal or widescreen, and the monitor resolutions. It is automatically listed as "Standard".

My HDTV gives me the options of 720 and 1080 when i use HD, and lists it as that. I know the monitor couldnt pull 1080, and that its 16:10, but why does it say 'standard' not HD?

Also, when i play in higher resolutions, the games become choppy. My 360 never had these problems on my HDTV in 720, nor did my monitor in heavy fps computer games.. Can i ruin my monitor this way, and why is it choppy?


sidenote: i get all the options listed above in valdarez' post... normal or widescreen, and then standard, intermediate, and extended. just no 720 or HD...
November 1, 2007 10:22:07 PM

i would go with hdmi personally on two 1080p sets (50 and 42") when i did run a 720 set things looked clean but i think everything looks better at 1080...you notice little things you would miss at the lower resolutions...like the star count in quake 4 in the opening sequence. lets not forget while 1080p was an issue when the xbox first luanched it did always suport 1080I which as far as i can tell with expection of the frame rate differance. looks just as good frame for frame
November 1, 2007 10:25:00 PM

as for the choppyness...u increase the resulotion u increase the load on the console. just like a pc. eventually **** starts jumping. i can see small frame rate differances when running 720 to 1080 but nothing major like your talking. maybe 5 to ten frames a sec differance tops...from games i have so far seen.
November 1, 2007 10:51:57 PM

what is the equivilent resolution for 720? thats what i normally play in, and it was never choppy on my HDTV..
but my monitor, 640 seemed a safe bet, but didnt look as good.
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