Intel plans to release the first 45nm desktop CPU, the Core 2 Extreme QX9650 on November 11, according to sources at motherboard makers.
The quad-core CPU will offer a frequency of 3.0GHz with 1333MHz FSB and 12MB L2 cache. As is typical for products in the Extreme series, pricing for the CPU will be set at US$999 in 1000-unit tray quantities.
In an update to previous reports, three 45nm quad-core CPUs (Yorkfield) and another three 45nm dual-core CPUs (Wolfdale) for desktops will be launched in January next year, noted the sources.
The three quad-core CPUs will include the Core 2 Quad Q9550 (2.83GHz, 12MB L2 cache), Q9450 (2.66GHz, 12MB) and Q9300 (2.5GHz, 6MB), with pricing expected at US$530, US$316 and US$266 in 1000-unit tray quantities, respectively.
The three dual-core CPUs will include the Core 2 Duo E8500 (3.16GHz, 6MB L2 cache), E8400 (3.0GHz) and E8200 (2.66GHz) priced at US$266, US$183 and US$163 in 1000-unit tray quantities, respectively. Plans also include a fourth dual-core CPU, the E8300 (2.83Ghz, 6MB), but pricing and availability have not yet been set.
All the 45nm desktop CPUs will support Intel Virtualization technology, Intel Trusted Execution technology, Intel Enhanced SpeedStep technology, Intel 64 technology and Execute Disable Bit.
Intel declined the opportunity to respond to this report saying it cannot comment on unannounced products.
Dude can't wait,,,,btw does anybody want to buy my q6600? lol
Where is that information from? Is it true? OMG that is wonderful stuff if true!
The question now is..... Buy Q6600 in Novmember for Crysis, or wait 2 lousy months for a much better and similarly priced peny quad!!!?
Choices!!!
Q9450 (2.66GHz, 12MB) for only $316...... Sounds like my kind of chip! Q6600 better drop like a rock and quick or I will be waiting =\
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28 [...] h-details/
wow its true, hmm i may need to get a new cpu then!
Oh my bad.... Those chips will all be out in November!!! =D
Somebody help me...I..... I..... I am feeling faint...... (gamebro passes out)
guys..read it carefully...november is the extreme penryn processor. With January releasing yorkfield....Extreme version november..Desktop yorkfield in january..Still about 3 and a half months to go before we get the desktop versions...
| Emperor36 wrote : The three quad-core CPUs will include the Core 2 Quad Q9550 (2.83GHz, 12MB L2 cache), Q9450 (2.66GHz, 12MB) and Q9300 (2.5GHz, 6MB), with pricing expected at US$530, US$316 and US$266 in 1000-unit tray quantities, respectively. |
I understood the Q9300 was also 12mb cache.
| The_Abyss wrote : I understood the Q9300 was also 12mb cache. |
No. The lowest model with 12MB cache is the Q9450.
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Pre [...] le9070.htm
I was thinking of upgrading my gaming system in December. Should I wait till these new Quads come out? I was going to go with the E6850 but this new Q9300 at $266 looks good? This the Penryn's?
| Kamrooz wrote : guys..read it carefully...november is the extreme penryn processor. With January releasing yorkfield....Extreme version november..Desktop yorkfield in january..Still about 3 and a half months to go before we get the desktop versions... |
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody please just kill me now!
| Kamrooz wrote : guys..read it carefully...november is the extreme penryn processor. With January releasing yorkfield....Extreme version november..Desktop yorkfield in january..Still about 3 and a half months to go before we get the desktop versions... |
Yes but the QX9650 is a desktop version in Nov. Its just the highest priced model for those money bags early adopters plus it should be multiplier unlocked as most X versions are so a good test bed for OC'ing research. Only the slower models come 3 months later.
| mikeny wrote : I was thinking of upgrading my gaming system in December. Should I wait till these new Quads come out? I was going to go with the E6850 but this new Q9300 at $266 looks good? This the Penryn's? |
Yep. They should be available sometime in Q1 2008.
I'm hoping that Intel will release some Nehalem benchmarks in Q1 2008 before I decide to upgrade to Penryn.
Seeing as how I just put a Q6600 in my box, unless someone gives me a penryn cored proc, then I'll stay with it until the next generation comes out....it does everything I need it to do at very fast speeds - and frankly, these days, it's money best spent elsewhere....
Q9450 is the chip for me too, I cant wait. Hopefully it will be running at 3.2Ghz, a 20% OC isnt all that ambitious... 1:1 w/1600Mhz, the price/performance will be very nice
Not good for AMD...
Q9450 will be around $400 most of the retailer going jump the price to $400.
| TechnologyCoordinator wrote : Not good for AMD... |
No it isn't... and this is looking like it may not be good for anyone. We all know what will happen if... well... AMD goes bye bye... dark ages...
...At least until nVidia releases their cpu-analog, be it x86 or x64 based.
| spaztic7 wrote : No it isn't... and this is looking like it may not be good for anyone. We all know what will happen if... well... AMD goes bye bye... dark ages... |
Then comes the Middle Ages! Dunno how that fits though...Sorry had to say that
Anyways, my opinion on the Q6600 pricing is that it will not drop much lower. Why? Just look at the Pentium Ds! With their crappy performance, they should be nearly free, however it is still priced similarly with the Core2duos (Low end). Another scenario is that Intel will stop producing the Q6600 after the new chips come out, though I doubt that.
Have no doubts! Go get a Q6600 G0 and overclock to 3.6Ghz!
I'm just curious how much more these Penryn can overclock since they should be cooler than their predecessor. 4Ghz? On air? Boy, Amd better ready with their Phenom.
Nah, AMD won't go out of business.
I'm sure companies like VIA or IBM wouldn't mind buying them out for pennies on the dollar.
| Evilonigiri wrote : Then comes the Middle Ages! Dunno how that fits though...Sorry had to say that
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Better give the Pentium Ds another look. They are the same core as core 2 duos now. The old ones got discontiued. The E2180 can overclock to 3.6 very easy. When the E2180 is clocked to 3.6 it beats the stock E6850 and everthing below in benchmarks. Not to mention the 3.6 is on air and the chip cost 80-90 dollars VS 1000 for the E6850 lol. I'm going with a E2180 til the new quads come out.
E2180 has a 10x multiplier so you only need to juice the FSB to 360. 360x10=3600. Theres still room if you have watercooling. At 360 FSB your DDR2800 ram runs at 720.
I see a couple sources saying the fastest Intel desktop quad will be C2QXEE 3.2 GHz FSB 1600 12MB Socket LGA 775. Faud says, Nov 12, 2007. Other sources are saying end of year.
I just wish they would release on the 5th of November...
Ahh... Remember Remember the 5th of November. The gunpowder, treason, and plot. I know of no reason why the gunpowerder treason should ever be forgot!
OK, now here is a question. Is there going to be enough performance gain from these new cpus for me to upgrade to them from my current q6600 oced to 3.2Ghz? I am mainly looking at the Q9450.
| spaztic7 wrote : OK, now here is a question. Is there going to be enough performance gain from these new cpus for me to upgrade to them from my current q6600 oced to 3.2Ghz? I am mainly looking at the Q9450. |
Divx encoding will be 110% faster using the Yorkfield SSE4.
Without SSE4, about a 10-15% gain per Mhz (just a guess)
My question is if these will be the last socket 775 chips that Intel makes?
It's a shame the multithreaded software isn't coming out as fast as the hardware - I'm sure the games compnaies will start to produce more 'Quad' titles now they are learning to programme the consoles.
Does anybody know of list show what games support multi cores now?
Lost Planet makes good use of my Q6600 O/C to 3.0 GHz. I ran the performance test at 1280X720 and it got over 80% CPU utilization at times.
| enewmen wrote : Divx encoding will be 110% faster using the Yorkfield SSE4.
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In layman's term please. Will there be a noticable gain in performace? Will I see things loading faster, or should I wait until Nahalem (the next core) 32nm to see real performance gains?
Well from what I heard, the REAL 32nm Nahalem won't be out until 2009 or late 2008.
The Nahalems coming out next summer will still be 45nm. (should still be a good bit better then penryns)
So if you wait, you may be waiting a long time...... IMO-- Your overclocked Q6600, is more then enough power for the next year or so! Unless you got money to burn, or manage to sell your Q6600 for a good price, I'd say just wait until the end of 2008 before you bother spending any more cash.
Why wait?
1- The Q6600 is a great chip after all!
2- Software needs to catch up! If you early adopt all this new hardware, it is mostly a waste of money right now, considering your rig is still fairly recent.
Now people like me, who don't even have a Q6600, we might as well wait until penryn =D
very true. When I am done with this computer I will probably give it to my younger brother. That way I don't feel as bad getting a new computer!
I guess I wont upgrade untill 09 - 10.... my processor at least...
| spaztic7 wrote : In layman's term please. Will there be a noticable gain in performace? Will I see things loading faster, or should I wait until Nahalem (the next core) 32nm to see real performance gains? |
layman's term ?
Yorkfield is much better than Kentfield (the Q6600) You can't go wrong.
The Nahalem comes long after that (early 2009) and uses a completely different motherboard, socket, etc.
The Yorkfield will show big gains in media encoding (at first), later like late 2008, I assume games will start using the power of Yorkfield.
Seeing things load faster has more to do with the hard-drive and RAM. Get a WD-Raptor (for now) or a 15k RPM SCSI drive (if you have money to burn). Most new/large 7200 rpm drives are 'GOOD ENOUGH'. Also have PLENTY of RAM. 2+ gigs. Not enough Ram will make everything slow, even if you have the best CPU ever.
I was going to build a new computer with a Q6600 to play crysis among other things but now i am going wait until January and get the Q9450 45mm quad core for $315, should be a pretty sweet cpu with 12mb of cache.
I am going to pair the Q9450 quad core up with XTX 8800gts 640mb dx10 graphics card and 4gb of patriot ddr2 memory.
As for the motherboard i think i am going with the Abit IP35 pro, very little reported problems by anyone, yes it can't do DDR3 memory but i really don't care about that, it does have the P35 intel chip set so it can run the new upcoming 45mm quad cores.
TC
| tcman41 wrote : I was going to build a new computer with a Q6600 to play crysis among other things but now i am going wait until January and get the Q9450 45mm quad core for $315, should be a pretty sweet cpu with 12mb of cache.
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If you wait til January I doubt you will still want an 8800gts.
Are you sure the Q9450 will e $315?
| Emperor36 wrote : Intel plans to release the first 45nm desktop CPU, the Core 2 Extreme QX9650 on November 11, according to sources at motherboard makers.
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for how much??? how much do you want?
My mistake, looks like the upcoming Q9450 is going to be like $530, that's too much for my way of thinking, so maybe i will go with just a Q6600 for now at about $300.
TC
No the Q9450 is going to be $316
The Q9550 is 530.
The Q9450 will basically be the new Q6600... The best bang for the buck =D
Those price lists are pretty accurate me thinks, as I've seen them posted at a few places.
| Quote : Those price lists are pretty accurate me thinks, as I've seen them posted at a few places. |
But they're per tray of 1000 methinks... you gotta add resellers margins onto them as well...
Oh ok.... Well then We'll see the Q9450 going for 350, 400 tops.... Not bad at all for such power =D
Remember- With Phenom coming to us at the same time, intel will probably want to sell us these chips at very competitive prices, I highly doubt the Q9450 would ever be $450 or higher (or at least I hope not lol).
Any idea if the Q9450 will overclock as well as the Q6600?
It's stock at 2.66ghz and be great to get 3.66ghz or more.
VIIV and LIVE = STUPID
I usually advise people to ride the 1 gen old wave. The only time I broke that rule was when the Core 2s first came out. Usually, state-of-the-art jumps by 10-15% ... at a cost of 2X.
I just upgraded my wife's and my computers at Dell 3 months ago. For $609, we got a q6600, 2GB ram, a surprisingly nice case, Vista and all of the other basic junk that makes a functioning machine. As a gamer, I added a Raid 0 drive set, 2 more GB ram (I know Vista won't use it all), and an 8800 GTS and still came in under $1K. For my wife, I added a large data hard drive and upgraded her monitor to a 22" Samsung for a total of about $950.
My machine screams on every game title I have thrown at it (SupCom, Oblivion, World In Conflict ...) except MOH which has issues (I have seen the same complaint from other people). Best of all, the new machine runs MATLAB 3 to 4 times faster than my old machine. Work gets done faster and there is more time to play!!
Raid 0 without backup = bad, very bad
| TechnologyCoordinator wrote : VIIV and LIVE = STUPID |
Agree.
It took me a few months to learn VIIV is actually just computer specs written more tightly (like centrino).
Well I don't think it sucks, but it did confuse the hell out of everyone by marketing it like it was some kind of product or feature.
All Intel PCs should have tightly written specs without giving it some stupid name, no one can sell specs anyway.
| TechnologyCoordinator wrote : Raid 0 without backup = bad, very bad |
TC, you got promoted to Honorary Poster
Too bad the Forum ran out of trophies.
| enewmen wrote : Agree.
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Yup. You gotta love a 'feature' that is actually just a marketing gimmic that means that machine is "Intel Enough" to have the VIIV label. I don't blame AMD for Live, they were like the little brother that emulates the big brother, they wouldn't have done it on their own.
new X38 chipset, quad cpu, with 2x 2900xt will rock after amd gets the drivers down - the ati and intel partnership is strange but its better then nvidia making cpu's!
these systems will need water cooling due to the hot amd gpu's - the quad core won't mind the water either!
all and all there is a good possibility these crossfire systems at Christmas will out perform nvidia with dx10 games. My personal system under construction is a copy of the maximum pc dream machine design with a window cut out if the cooler master.
That is, danger den or koolance triple 120 up top single loop. Only ati is going to replace the 8800's - will it be faster?
ok where is this going! water cooling, dual ati cards with intel chips!
ati and intel are back again! So amd wins either way.
Lucky amd has such a strong server/commercial following
unfortunately, barcie is based on the k8 which means 3ghz is it unless then pull out some intel style R&D - people still by GHz
| enewmen wrote : layman's term ?
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Yorkfield is mainly a die shrink Nahalem is the major upgrade with integrated memory controller. Just up that doesn't lock us into DDR3. It's better I'm not sure at this point I would say much better.
| bydesign wrote : Yorkfield is mainly a die shrink Nahalem is the major upgrade with integrated memory controller. Just up that doesn't lock us into DDR3. It's better I'm not sure at this point I would say much better. |
I called it "much better" if both SSE4 and all 4 cores was utilized in the application. (plus the die shrink and less leaking does't hurt)
There where already huge gains in Divx 6.6-6.7 encoding for example. There may be more of that kind of gain in the months to come.
That's all. Just my 2 cents.
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