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September 26, 2007 2:33:24 AM

Haven't built a system for years, but want to build a new gaming rig for Bioshock/Crysis and various military database stuff, but that just runs on Rhumba so thats not a big deal, othe than having to dual boot 32 and 64 bit OS since the program Rhumba legacy.

So far...


Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
w/COOLER MASTER RR-LCH-P9E1 92mm UFO CPU Cooler - Retail

MSI NX8800GTX-T2D768E-HD OC GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W Power Supply - Retail

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

ASUS Dual Panel Black and Beige ATAPI/E-IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E616A3 - Retail

SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S203B - OEM

CHIMEI CMV 221D-NBC Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

First couple questions, with two SATA and one ATAPI everything should work ok correct?
Dual booting XPx32 and Vistax64 would it create any conflicts?

Not 100% Sure on case yet, don't know if I'm going full or mid. I know full is better for cooling, but I will be deploying in March and taking this with me.

Mostly used for gaming, some database work for the military.
September 26, 2007 5:32:45 AM

You dont have a motherboard listed... go with P35 chipset (unless your looking at SLI in which case 680i) and either the Asus P5K range or Gigabyte P35's

Do you really 2 optical drives?

Dual boot will work fine with this setup, however, you maybe running a little short on space (expecially with vista). A formatted 250gb is like 220-210 formatted, i would install vista on anything smaller than 40gb soo your looking at dropping your drive space to ~140gb which is without any games, programs etc... Id go with a bigger 400-500gb drive.

CHIMEI are cheap but from what ive heard are ok, better quality 22" can be had from Samsung, Benq and Dell. Even though they are a little dearer you will get better picture.

Youll be hard pressed finding a Mid that will fit the GTX properly. Its a beast, here for capatibility lists.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244981-33-8800gtx-case-compatibility
Personally id go for Antec or Lian-li
September 26, 2007 12:50:20 PM

Don't know what kind of environment the rig will be in. Assuming it's dusty & sandy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Either is rather quiet & provides the least distraction. The top blowhole fan will help a lot in extreme heat. You might want to replace the fans with something quieter if noise is an issue. The stock fans are rather loud at full speed. Any dba below 20 would be good:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you have the money, you want to look at TEC - thermoelectric cooling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cooling#Peltier_c...

My buddy has the Freezone on his Q6600. The Coolit one is pre-built & maintenance-free. newegg doesn't show the entire package which is huge. Basically, it's 2 parts: the cooler & circuit board (Temperature Control Module) which keeps the cooler from condensation - brilliant! The cpu temp won't be 10'c higher than room temp. i.e. room temp is 26'c, cpu will be 36'c. Give or take. The TCM has 3 fan connectors - one is for radiator; the others for other fans like Coolit's ram & pci coolers.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E....
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-327-1.htm

If you can't afford that, get something like this for the cpu:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

P35 motherboards are the best bang right now. ABIT IP35-E/PRO, ASUS P5K OR DELUXE, GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R. They won't do SLI.

Doesn't matter how many SATA/PATA drives are connected as long as they're supported. Yes in your case.

I can't remember exactly what, but there's an issue with dual-booting xp & vista. Either one will try to delete some system files on the root drive C:\. Best make your own folders private. I used to dual-boot 32-bit xp & another one (one for gaming & one for everything else) no problem. You should google it.
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September 26, 2007 1:17:53 PM

If you are not going to do SLI, the PSU is definitely overkill.
Their 610w version will do you quite nicely and save you $70.
September 26, 2007 2:56:32 PM

I would get a GA-P35-DS3R motherboard and a P182 case.

Replace the IDE DVD-ROM with an LG GSA-H62N burner (it's sometimes useful to have two different burners rather than identical). You definitely don't want IDE cables there blocking airflow, especially if you go to some nasty hot place.

I'd buy 500 GB disks, best price/capacity ratio out there these days.

No clue about Chimei. If you're sure it's a good monitor go for it. I can vouch for Samsung, Viewsonic and LG from personal experience. Haven't tried Chimei yet.

Apart from that it's a very nice PC, very much like mine :) 

Edit: Antec 900 has better cooling than P182, but it will distract, with fl;ashy lights and noise. Silverstone TJ09 is the one I went with, but it's not a case you want to carry around on trips. The PC P&C 750 is fantastic, that's the one I picked for myself after reading lots of reviews. I agree with zenmaster though that it's overkill. You could get the 610W version or a Corsair 620HX. I know the 620HX has cables long enough for P182, not sure about the PC P&C.
September 26, 2007 3:28:06 PM

Awesome info so far. I guess I should of put deploying to Kosovo not the desert. However that thermoelectric cooling just seems like fun to play with, I'll see if I can budget it in. If not I'll go with the one reccomended.
About the mobo, forgot to include on this list =/

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

I am planning on going SLI once I return and have all that untaxed income, so I can slap another 8800gtx in there.

I'll take the advice on the 500gb hd, my old rig had 2x60, so you can tell it's been a while.

The reason I had two opticals was one for burning and one for reading, I just remember from previous experience that having one optical for both usually shortened the life of the component, is this still true?

On the dual boot issue I'll do more research as well. Also any experience with Phillips monitors, I can get a decent discount on one.


September 26, 2007 3:56:03 PM

A burner costs $40 or less today. I wouldn't worry about wear and tear on it. I've had an LG burner for 3 years. I watched about 1000 movies on it, and ripped my entire 500-CD collection. It's still working, I just had to leave it in the old computer when I got the new one because it was IDE.

That eVGA mobo is a good choice if you're serious about SLI.

No idea about Phillips monitors. Phillips makes good electronics stuff in general as far as I can tell. Of course, some of their products may be junk anyway. Try Google with the model number and "review".

One more thing: if the case you pick has optional fans, add them all. For example my TJ09 came with 2 fans but also with sockets for 3 more. I picked Scythe SFF21E fans because they're quiet. SFF21F would be better (1600 rpm instead of 1200 rpm) but of course there'd be more noise from all that moving air.

I changed my mind about P182 - don't go with that if you want 8800 GTX SLI, it's too small for that. I'm afraid a full tower is required here... Either TJ09 or Thermaltake Armor would be great, for example. Come to think of it, if you can afford two GTXs you can probably go as far as a Lian-Li PC-V2100 case too, that's the best case I know of.

Not sure 8800 GTX SLI is really necessary for a 22" monitor (1680x1050, right?). Maybe get a Samsung 245BW. (24", 1920x1200, 160 degrees view angle, CAD$500 these days).

September 26, 2007 11:43:12 PM

The Phillips 22" is pretty popular & heavily discounted at newegg. Another affordable brand is:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Mine is Samsung 941BW. I like everything about it from picture quality to button layout to rear input cover.

The EVGA 680i A1 is the only worthy EVGA board. The other revisions don't overclock Q6600 as well. My buddy's is AR.

Get a dvd burner & a cd/dvd combo drive, or 2 dvd burners, or 1 dvd burner & 1 dvd drive in case one of them goes down & you need it while deployed in a foreign land.

The dvd burner like any other part will wear out eventually. It depends on the frequency of use & maintenance. Just wipe the disk clean before putting it in the drive.
September 27, 2007 1:19:03 AM

I just got myself a 21.6" Samsung 216BW, CAD$ 290 (regular $330). So far I love it. OK, it's too early to tell because I've only had it for a couple of hours, but it looks good. No dead or stuck pixels, good colors.
September 27, 2007 3:15:51 PM

Ok updated build:
NZXT Zero Black/Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

EVGA 768-P2-N835-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail

Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G6400ELK - Retail

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W Power Supply - Retail

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with 12X DVD-RAM write and LightScribe Technology Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model LH-20A1H-185 - OEM

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail

CHIMEI CMV 221D-NBC Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

Reading reviews on monitor seems like only issue is angle of viewing, I have a good adjustable chair so not worried about that.

Any major issues before I order?
Right at budget with enough left over for OS.
One last question, how would this work for OC?
September 27, 2007 4:23:38 PM

Very nice!

If you're going to OC I'd suggest a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, it's the best CPU cooler out there. I don't know if the case is big enough for it, but it's a full tower, it should be fine. Combine it with a Scythe SFF21F or a SilenX Ixtrema for best results, those combinations are unbeatable.
September 27, 2007 4:51:38 PM

Tuniq Tower is another good choice for cooler if you go OC. I have no experience with it but have read great things. I have the TR Ultra 120-Extreme however and it works wonders.
September 27, 2007 5:12:54 PM

The Scythe Ninja is also doing great in reviews, cooling almost as well as the TR Ultra 12 Extreme or the Tuniq Tower and very quiet. That's the one I got, and I'm very happy with it.
September 27, 2007 11:03:01 PM

Sure there are better cpu coolers, but it'll go over budget. Either of these is better than Freezer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd scrap the sound card & spend the savings on the Ultra 12 + fan. The onboard sound isn't bad.

If you get the parts from the last list + a better cpu cooler, you could o/c the quad to over 3ghz. That may sound slower than mine. In benchmarks, 3ghz quad beats mine hands down. C2Q at stock is plenty fast.
September 27, 2007 11:29:06 PM

He only needs this cooling if he's going to OC, which I'm not sure the OP intends on doing. If you aren't OCing, the stock cooler will be just fine.
September 28, 2007 12:44:07 AM

I want to OC a bit just to match the core duo speeds until games start supporting quad core. So I think I'll drop the sound card and up the cooler. Which of those 3 coolers would fit my mobo best in your opinion?
September 28, 2007 2:05:02 PM

I don't know for sure, but after reading newegg comments:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...

"Other Thoughts: I am using a thermalright ultra 120 heatsink in this case. It will NOT fit properly unless you remove 2 of the side fans from the door. This is not a con of the case, but a definite heads up if you happen to be one of the few going down that route as I personally had not realized how big that heatsink actually was until it was installed and the mobo was mounted in the case. Removing the fans is a painless process and will take all of 5 minutes to do. This is my 3rd case by NZXT; I stick with products that work and give you your money's worth!"

"Cons: Drive brackets for non standard devices can be useless/hard to adjust. Case not deep enough to use the fan on my Scythe Ninja Heatsink. One of the case fans sits right above the heatsink though and it still keeps my processor cool with overclocking."

If you absolutely don't want to remove the side case fans, go with Freezer which will limit your o/c. I'd remove the fans (bring them with you just in case) & stick a top of the line cpu cooler. You can be sure you'll get a lot of visitors.
September 28, 2007 6:02:26 PM

You mean I would have to remove two of 8 fans? I don't think that wouldn't be a big deal. Which fan would you reccomend to go with the ultra-120?
September 28, 2007 6:08:31 PM

I saw a comparative review once, with lots and lots of coolers used in the same machine and seeing how far they can overclock it and how noisy they get. The winner was Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with a SilenX IXtrema fan. In another review they used a Scythe S-Flex SFF21F and it won again, but that was against fewer competitors. You can't go wrong with either of those.
September 28, 2007 7:21:01 PM

Ill get the 120 with the scythe s-flex. Reading more into reviews sounds like lapping is needed to get the best results out of the cooler, but I enjoy lapping so no biggy. Hope this thing will mount to my mobo ok, Ill google the combo and see if anyone had any trouble.

Looks like I'm all set guys, thanks for your info. I'm going to swap out the monitor for something smaller but higher quality. Other than that looks like I'm locked.

I'll revive this thread once the beast comes to life.

Thanks again!
September 28, 2007 10:54:25 PM

You would have to remove the top 2 side fans to fit the U120E cooler. No biggie. As to fans, there are quite a lot of choices. These are more than sufficient. Again, if noise is an issue, look for a fan that has the lowest dba & highest cfm. 25 dba is bearable. 10-20 is near silent.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I use Delta fans - fastest & loudest. They are available at specialty stores. I wouldn't recommend these unless you can bear the noise. Think jet engines. :) 

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/delhigper.html

Have fun with the build. Let us know how it goes.
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