Got a team mate killed when I un-SK'd

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Odd thing happened a few days ago while playing with a group led by a
friend. My toon was SK'd during a timed mish and when time began to dwindle
down and not much of the warehouse was explored, I took it upon myself to
un-SK and do some recon to find the last hostage. I found the hostage and
was soon joined by the team, I made a general request for an SK invite
since I had the lowest level toon going and within a second one of team
members is killed. Team leader says sorry to the fallen toon and blames me
for getting him killed saying, "Why the f--- did you un-SK?". He claimed
that he had to take time in the middle of a battle to invite me. I guess
this is why the other player got killed? I really didn't buy it but seeing
as how I've known the leader for some time now and he was playing for some
26 hours straight I opted not to argue the point. Lack of sleep will mess
with your mind and he opted to go to sleep about 30 minutes later.
Hopefully he'll be in a better mood next time we team.

Just thought I'd share my odd experience with you all.


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Hawaii_SE-R wrote:
> Odd thing happened a few days ago while playing with a group led by a
> friend. My toon was SK'd during a timed mish and when time began to dwindle
> down and not much of the warehouse was explored, I took it upon myself to
> un-SK and do some recon to find the last hostage. I found the hostage and
> was soon joined by the team, I made a general request for an SK invite
> since I had the lowest level toon going and within a second one of team
> members is killed. Team leader says sorry to the fallen toon and blames me
> for getting him killed saying, "Why the f--- did you un-SK?". He claimed
> that he had to take time in the middle of a battle to invite me. I guess
> this is why the other player got killed? I really didn't buy it but seeing
> as how I've known the leader for some time now and he was playing for some
> 26 hours straight I opted not to argue the point. Lack of sleep will mess
> with your mind and he opted to go to sleep about 30 minutes later.
> Hopefully he'll be in a better mood next time we team.

It's a perfectly fair question to ask why you un-SKed though.

Why did you?

There's no point - all you did was ensure that as well as being lower
level while away from the group you were lower level when in range of
your mentor as well. Stupid thing to do.

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John Parkinson <jp--usenet--spam--trap@destiny.org.uk> looked up from
reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good,
the signs say:

>Hawaii_SE-R wrote:
>> Odd thing happened a few days ago while playing with a group led by a
>> friend. My toon was SK'd during a timed mish and when time began to dwindle
>> down and not much of the warehouse was explored, I took it upon myself to
>> un-SK and do some recon to find the last hostage. I found the hostage and
>> was soon joined by the team, I made a general request for an SK invite
>> since I had the lowest level toon going and within a second one of team
>> members is killed. Team leader says sorry to the fallen toon and blames me
>> for getting him killed saying, "Why the f--- did you un-SK?". He claimed
>> that he had to take time in the middle of a battle to invite me. I guess
>> this is why the other player got killed? I really didn't buy it but seeing
>> as how I've known the leader for some time now and he was playing for some
>> 26 hours straight I opted not to argue the point. Lack of sleep will mess
>> with your mind and he opted to go to sleep about 30 minutes later.
>> Hopefully he'll be in a better mood next time we team.
>
>It's a perfectly fair question to ask why you un-SKed though.
>
>Why did you?

>There's no point - all you did was ensure that as well as being lower
>level while away from the group you were lower level when in range of
>your mentor as well. Stupid thing to do.

I'm going to assume that the reason he did was because at his natural
level the mobs would ignore him, in which case there most certainly was
a point.

There's no reason the rest of the team couldn't have re-sk'd him AS HE
ASKED TO BE, but they chose not to.

I've had the same problem on a pickup team; Whifff, whiff, whiff, uh
guys I can't hit these critters, I need an SK.
NO sk
Whifff, whiff, whiff, uh guys I can't hit these critters, I need an SK.
No sk
Whifff, whiff, whiff, uh guys I can't hit these critters, I need an SK.
No sk
Whifff, whiff, whiff, uh guys I can't hit these critters, I need an SK.
No sk
Whifff, whiff, whiff, uh guys I can't hit these critters, I need an SK.
So and so has offered to Sk you.

Sounds like the REAL problem was the one that usually happens on pickup
teams - lack of communication.

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"John Parkinson" <jp--usenet--spam--trap@destiny.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Why did you?
>
> There's no point - all you did was ensure that as well as being lower
> level while away from the group you were lower level when in range of
> your mentor as well. Stupid thing to do.

Actually the reason being was to avoid those damn ballons that would pop up
saying "My sidekick is too far away" or some such. Would this not be even
more distracting? I have SS and stealth and was basically doing recon to
help the mission move faster in the event time became the real issue (which
is was getting too).

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"Hawaii_SE-R" <WhyUGottaSpam@Me.com> wrote in
news:FuLke.9223$h86.6945@tornado.socal.rr.com:

> This was not a matter of constantly re-inviting. I don't know if this
> was an I4 change, but I had learned a few days earlier that SK'd or
> not, you will gain the same amount of XPs so this was also not a case
> of attempting to max out XPs.

Don't know where you learned this, but you learned wrong.

The amount of XP you get most certainly does depend on whether you are
sidekicked or not. If you are L2 and are sidekicked up to a L21 person you
will get XP. If you stay un-sidekicked at L2, you will get no XP.

The only place that it might not have an effect is the end-of-mission XP
you get that.

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Hawaii_SE-R wrote:
> "John Parkinson" <jp--usenet--spam--trap@destiny.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Why did you?
>>
>> There's no point - all you did was ensure that as well as being lower
>> level while away from the group you were lower level when in range of
>> your mentor as well. Stupid thing to do.
>
> Actually the reason being was to avoid those damn ballons that would pop up
> saying "My sidekick is too far away" or some such. Would this not be even
> more distracting? I have SS and stealth and was basically doing recon to
> help the mission move faster in the event time became the real issue (which
> is was getting too).

I assume his problem with distraction was that he has to take an action
to sk someone, but not to ignore a few things flashing on the screen.

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On Tue, 24 May 2005 13:18:24 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
wrote:

>I'm going to assume that the reason he did was because at his natural
>level the mobs would ignore him, in which case there most certainly was
>a point.

Mobs only ignore you when you're ABOVE their level. Un-SKing would
drop his level...

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"John Parkinson" <jp--usenet--spam--trap@destiny.org.uk> wrote:
> I assume his problem with distraction was that he has to take an action
> to sk someone, but not to ignore a few things flashing on the screen.

Whether that is the truth or not, he really didn't have to SK me or anyone
until he was done with the fight on hand. BTW, those things flashing
(thought bubbles) on the screen do block a good part off the immediate area
in front of the player and takes a bit of time to go away..

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Hawaii_SE-R wrote:
>
> "John Parkinson" <jp--usenet--spam--trap@destiny.org.uk> wrote:
>> I assume his problem with distraction was that he has to take an action
>> to sk someone, but not to ignore a few things flashing on the screen.
>
> Whether that is the truth or not, he really didn't have to SK me or anyone
> until he was done with the fight on hand. BTW, those things flashing
> (thought bubbles) on the screen do block a good part off the immediate area
> in front of the player and takes a bit of time to go away..

Yeah, they block things but in the thick of combat the actual graphics
are the last thing to be looking at...power recharge, health bars and
enemy status and combat messages give far far more useful information.

The graphics are almost incidental when I'm in the thick of it.

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On Tue, 24 May 2005 19:44:37 GMT, Hawaii_SE-R <WhyUGottaSpam@Me.com> wrote:

> This was not a matter of constantly re-inviting. I don't know if this
> was
> an I4 change, but I had learned a few days earlier that SK'd or not, you
> will gain the same amount of XPs so this was also not a case of
> attempting
> to max out XPs.

It is not an I4 change. For the first minute or so after you un-sidekick,
you get xp as if you were still sidekicked. This is not a bug, it is a
feature. Ironically, its purpose is to discourage people from fluttering
in and out of sidekick.

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"Dark Tyger" <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote :
> False in that the xp is the same if you un-SK.

Then I guess I was in a bugged mission? Well, whatever the case, that was
the result regardless of what you say should have happened but didn't. All
fine as I would rather participate in the fight rather than get
power-leveled.

> Actually it's a pretty widespread opinion. "Toon" conjures images of
> Bugs Bunny, not Superman. And definitely not a video game character.
> Never seen a discussion on the matter (Except maybe when discussing a
> specific game: Toontown Online) where the majority opinion expressed
> wasn't some degree distaste for the term. Most people I've seen lump
> it in with the dewd "shorthand" such as "u", "ur", etc.

Well that was a nice explanation. In regards to the definition of toon:
according to dictionary.com, 'toon' is "a character from an animated
cartoon" while one of the definitions of 'cartoon' is "A comic strip".
CoH is based on the idea Comic book superheros which started as compilations
of newspaper comic strips. Whether 'toon' is considered distasteful is
still in the end a personal opinion not shared by all (though by your
accounts, the majority).

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On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:14:02 GMT, "Hawaii_SE-R" <WhyUGottaSpam@Me.com>
wrote:

>> Actually it's a pretty widespread opinion. "Toon" conjures images of
>> Bugs Bunny, not Superman. And definitely not a video game character.
>> Never seen a discussion on the matter (Except maybe when discussing a
>> specific game: Toontown Online) where the majority opinion expressed
>> wasn't some degree distaste for the term. Most people I've seen lump
>> it in with the dewd "shorthand" such as "u", "ur", etc.
>
>Well that was a nice explanation. In regards to the definition of toon:
>according to dictionary.com, 'toon' is "a character from an animated
>cartoon" while one of the definitions of 'cartoon' is "A comic strip".
>CoH is based on the idea Comic book superheros which started as compilations
>of newspaper comic strips. Whether 'toon' is considered distasteful is
>still in the end a personal opinion not shared by all (though by your
>accounts, the majority).

Even if you wish to apply it to animated superhero cartoons ("from an
**ANIMATED** cartoon" ), it still does not apply to video game
characters.

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On 25 May 2005 12:34:14 GMT, Marcel Beaudoin
<mbeaudoin@scintrextrace.com> wrote:

>"Hawaii_SE-R" <WhyUGottaSpam@Me.com> wrote in
>news:ayMke.9232$h86.7024@tornado.socal.rr.com:
>
>>
>> "John Parkinson" <jp--usenet--spam--trap@destiny.org.uk> wrote:
>>> I assume his problem with distraction was that he has to take an
>>> action to sk someone, but not to ignore a few things flashing on the
>>> screen.
>>
>> Whether that is the truth or not, he really didn't have to SK me or
>> anyone until he was done with the fight on hand. BTW, those things
>> flashing (thought bubbles) on the screen do block a good part off the
>> immediate area in front of the player and takes a bit of time to go
>> away..
>
>But he couldn't take that chance. What if you needed sidekicking because
>you had aggroed some mobs and needed the couple of levels difference to be
>able to do something.

What it comes down to is the decision was made by Hawaii -FOR- this
guy. He didn't bother to check and see which would have been more of a
bother for him. Communication is key to effective teaming, and Hawaii
neglected that, thus, it was his fault.

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Robotech_Master <robotech@eyrie.org> wrote in
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> On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:50:47 GMT, Hawaii_SE-R <WhyUGottaSpam@Me.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I certainly don't team with peeps that are that many levels
>> above me. I was running my lvl33, he was a lvl 36. It was tested
>> out by another and he too found that the XP was the same whether
>> SK'd or not.
>
> Note that there is a *change-of-state timer* of about 30 seconds: for
> 30 seconds after SK'ing or unSK'ing (or exemplaring/unexemplaring) you
> will receive the same XP as you did before the change; this is to
> prevent people from SK'ing to kill a bunch of mobs most of the way and
> then unsidekicking to collect much more XP when they die.
>
> For the test to be meaningful, you have to wait a minute or so between
> unsidekicking and taking down a mob to note the difference.
>
> The point still stands, though; if you didn't think it was going to
> make a difference either way, why did you do it?
>

He already answered that: To get rid of the annoying "I'm too far from my
mentor" bubbles - that being said, however, suggests he was the wrong
person to be reconning, since he'd drop to his original level no matter
what and get whupped when cornered

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