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Direct10X Card????? HELP!!

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October 16, 2007 7:40:24 PM

Hello,

I have a 24inch monitor and a 42inch both connected to my PC. I would like to play games on the 42inch in Direct10X at high resolution.

I am about to purchase the following components to upgrade my system.

Mobo Intel BLKDP35DPM LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX
CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775
RAM OCZ 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel

OS Vista

Video Card: (these are the two I am thinking about)
ASUS EAH2600XT D4/HTDI/256M Radeon HD 2600XT 256MB 128-bit GDDR4 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire
or
MSI NX8600GTS-T2D256E-OC GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI

I would like to buy a fair (about $150) card now to get by and purchase a good card (about $500-$800) in a few months as things develop in this market.

1. Should I run Vista in 32 or 64 Bit? Currently running in 32.

2. Wasn't planning on ability to go SLI or Crossfire. Should I?

3. No one has addressed what ATI's new driver release has made the info. in Tom's Direct10X Shootout outdated. I would like to see the few ATI cards retested to see the results and the OverClocked cards put in a seperate category. Any idea how this release has effected the lineup in my scenerio?

4. What card/cards should I consider at this time?

5. Should I consider not employing Direct10X at this point?

6. Have I made any mistakes in my system configurtion choices?

I apologize if my format is incorrect. I have never posted in a forum before.

Feel Free to Hammer me in your reply.

Thank You in Advance!

Michael


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October 16, 2007 8:31:07 PM

Apropos your OS: if you already have 32bit version, you are stuck with it unless you have over 300$ too much to buy a new licence.
October 16, 2007 8:33:55 PM

I would like to play games on the 42inch in Direct10X at high resolution. ....how high??
since u want to play on a high res on a 42inch your probably gonna need 8800GTXs in SLI... of coruse depening on Res and what Settings you want to run the game but if the Res is 1920 x 1200 or higher and you want to play the game on High/Max settings...i would highly suggest 8800GTX in SLI


2. if your getting 4gigs of ram you need to have a 64bit OS either XP64 or Vista 64.....32bit only would support 3.2gigs of Ram..

3. as for the motherboard if your going SLI you need to look at Nforce680i chipset and i suggest either EVGA or Abit Motherboards (i know for a fact Abits IN9 is 219.00 on newegg)




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October 16, 2007 9:39:17 PM

Yeah, we need to know what resolution your 42 inch monitor runs at.
October 16, 2007 10:10:50 PM

Vista came with both the 32 and 64 bit version so I can change to 64 if it is beneficial overall and wont cause huge problems with other software and driver compatibility.

My 42inch will support: 1024 x 768, 720p and 1080i I don't have much experience playing games on it to know what will look good and what won't. Let me know.

So what I am gathering so far is that I am going to have to go with SLI or Crossfire to get an acceptable picture quality and frame rates on that monitor? Even if I run it in 1024 x 768? I am not going to be able to get by with a one card system?

October 16, 2007 10:33:46 PM

SLI for sure .. Nvidia all the way dude..

geez 42 Inch monitor amazing..
a c 168 U Graphics card
October 16, 2007 10:42:53 PM

SLI at 1024x768??? I think not! Be it a 19" or a 42", it's still only 768,432 pixels. A single 8800GTX will be yawning with boredom, let alone two!

-Wolf sends
October 16, 2007 10:49:38 PM

mstspeed said:
I would like to buy a fair (about $150) card now to get by and purchase a good card (about $500-$800) in a few months as things develop in this market.


I'd say buy as cheap of a PCI-E video card with DX10 as you possibly can. Why? because you'll save more money and thus reach that projected $500-$800 figure you want to spend much faster. If not, I suggest this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$50 Mail in rebate. Can't go wrong with that. ;) 

mstspeed said:
1. Should I run Vista in 32 or 64 Bit? Currently running in 32.


I HIGHLY suggest Vista in 32 bit. 64 bit, as I have read and come to personally experience, will hurt your performance much more.

mstspeed said:
2. Wasn't planning on ability to go SLI or Crossfire. Should I?


Being that you want high resolution, yes. I do suggest this card in SLI. Reason being is that it has higher clocks than all the other 8800GTX's out there (on par with Ultra), and I personally own so I can speak on its behalf.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Has a Mail In Rebate as well.

mstspeed said:
3. No one has addressed what ATI's new driver release has made the info. in Tom's Direct10X Shootout outdated. I would like to see the few ATI cards retested to see the results and the OverClocked cards put in a seperate category. Any idea how this release has effected the lineup in my scenerio?


According to several sites, which can be foudn here by browsing THG, or a Google Search, that the 7.10 drivers don't have nearly as high of an impact on performance gains in a single GPU setup as it would in Multi-GPU setups. (Crossfire).

mstspeed said:
4. What card/cards should I consider at this time?


The one I suggested, amongst others such as the HD2900 pro, which can be OCed to HD2900XT levels, the 8800GTX and 8800GTX Ultra, HD2900XT, 8800GTS 640MB, and potentially the new 8800GT.

mstspeed said:
5. Should I consider not employing Direct10X at this point?


It's hard to say. I say this, "To each his own." It's your PC, run it how you want. If you want eye candy but hampered performance compared to DX9 applications, than I'd stay away from it. Personally, I'd say no. I'd also say this, if you're running high res, and you want eye candy, DO NOT invest in an ATI Product at this point. They have AA issues at the moment.

mstspeed said:
6. Have I made any mistakes in my system configurtion choices?


Nope, none that I can tell. If you want ideas or suggestions just simply ask. People will help.
October 16, 2007 10:50:12 PM

Wolfshadw si right, size matters not, pixels does.

Id reccomend playing on the 24inch personally... but for the 42inch, a 8600gts would be good enough for most things.
October 16, 2007 11:19:47 PM

justinmcg67,
I'd say buy as cheap of a PCI-E video card with DX10 as you possibly can. Why? because you'll save more money and thus reach that projected $500-$800 figure you want to spend much faster. If not, I suggest this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814133204

$50 Mail in rebate. Can't go wrong with that. ;) 

Good suggestion, glad you thought of it.
October 16, 2007 11:20:24 PM

What does WolfShadw mean by this statement? A single 8800GTX will be yawning with boredom, let alone two!

October 16, 2007 11:31:47 PM

Overkill?
October 16, 2007 11:32:21 PM

running a card in SLI mode? doesn't this mean using two cards? I can't do what I want with one?

why does running in 32bit hurt your performance? I thought it supported more RAM and helped performance in games, multitasking and certain applications?
a c 168 U Graphics card
October 16, 2007 11:41:16 PM

I mean that at the resolution of your 42" monitor, a single 8800GTX will handle most (if not all) games at max settings with ease. Two 8800GTXs in SLI is a waste of money.

-Wolf sends
October 17, 2007 12:02:06 AM

why don't you tell us what model and make the 42" is? we should have known that to begin with. i'm betting it's 1366x768. or 1280x720. in either case, as wolf correctly pointed out, that resolution is not "high res". that's tiny. a 8600GTS will likely handle that very nicely in most cases. if you absolutely need to make sure, wait for the 8800GT and get the 256MB version for 199. but yeah, that 42" may be big, but it's not high res.
October 17, 2007 12:04:22 AM

OK so I can run a single card in high res to get what I want. What should I buy now to get by till I want to spend the money for a high end card? and will it be able to run 10X and at what res?

no one mentioned why to not run Vista in 64 bit........?

or what the SLI mode comment means.......is this applicable to running one card?
October 17, 2007 12:10:30 AM

OK, its a Philips 42pf9631d/37 Plasma Display.

Supports: 1024 x 768, 720p(1280 x 720) and 1080i(1920 x1080)
October 17, 2007 12:43:13 AM

Your plasma is not a true HDTV screen. Yes it is advertised as an HDtv but it just means it can display an HD signal, but not at full resolution.
Your plasma's native (i.e. actual) resolution is 1024x768 so no matter how high you set your pc's resolution thats all you'll actually see, so there's no point in setting it any higher than 1024x768. The bottom line is that just about any DX10 card will scream at that res.

So-called HDTV's like yours support any signal with a resolution higher than 1024x768 (such as HD) by scaling it down to their native resolution so losing detail. Yes its a scam based on misrepresentational advertising, and yes all the manufacturers are doing it.

Actually you would probably get a much more detailed so better (but overall smaller) picture on your 24" monitor. I'm guessing at that size its native res. is 1920x1200. If so it can fully display native HD too (1920x1080).
October 17, 2007 12:51:47 AM

NIZ great answer and explanation thanks...........yes my 24 is a SUN hi rez CAD monitor that can support more than I have ever thrown at it.

For some reason I like playing on the big screen......I can sit on my couch instead of at my desk which I do all day.......I guess I am not a true gamer!

So all that said what for 1024 x 768 what card should I buy for 10X?

Should I run 32 or 64 bit Vista?

a c 168 U Graphics card
October 17, 2007 3:11:13 AM

I'd say either of the two cards you listed in your original post (the AMD 2600XT or the NVidia 8600GTS) would suit you nicely until you've saved up enough for your high-end card in the future (if you even need a higher card).

As for Vista 32 vs Vista 64, if I were in your shoes and if I had a couple weeks to rebuild and test, I'd probably try out Vista-64. Look for any incompatibilities and make sure all I want to run, actually does run. If it does, leave 64-bit Vista on there, if not, reformat and reinstall with Vista 32 bit.

-Wolf sends

Edit: Note I'm running XP-64 on my dedicated gaming rig. It runs everything I've asked it to without issue, so I left it on.
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