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P35-DS3R + E6850 + Crucial DDR2-1066 opinions??

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October 23, 2007 6:57:44 PM

Ok I have been browsing and asking questions for about a day now and think I have narrowed myself down to the final parts with only a question here or there. I would like to purchase the parts tonight, so any help/recomendations are GREATLY appreciated. Here is the list I have come up with:

P35-DS3R http://e3wwwtest.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050
E6850 http://e3wwwtest.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028
Crucial DDR2-1066 http://e3wwwtest.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148069

The plan is to OC the 6850 to 3.5~3.6 with the scythe ninja
running Vista 32bit
games such as bioshock, FSX, crysis at resolutions of 1620+

the questions:
1) stay with 1066 memory or drop it down to 800 (if 800, will I have trouble hitting the 3.6 OC?)
2) 2x1GB of memory or 2x2GB with vista 64bit (any downside with 64bit windows for games? and will i notice 4 vs 2GB)
3) E6850 OC to 3.6 or E6750 OC to 3.5~3.6 (assuming E6850 will hit 3.6 easier??)
4) will i run in to heat issues on the MB with the 3.6OC requiring aftermarket cooling anywhere (except the cpu)



I will be grabbing a 8800GT on release along with the penryn once it is finally released (most likely quad core ~2.6-3.0 GHz range)
October 23, 2007 7:21:23 PM

The e6850 @3.6 will run at a core clock of 400 which is 1:1 for DDR2 800. I wouldn't waste the money on 1066, the gains are small.
October 23, 2007 7:37:20 PM

Yea that's what I was on the edge for with the memory. Was thinking the 1066 mainly in case later I wanted to go with a higher FSB and still run a 1:1 ratio

any benefit of dropping the 6850 to an 8x multi and raising the GSB to 450?

I think my main concern is to get to 3.6 with not too much increase in volt/temps running stable 24/7. I figure hopefully that with the upcoming 8800GT should be able to play games on max
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October 23, 2007 8:49:01 PM

You don't get that much improvement by running your RAM faster than DDR2 800. All you do is add more stress/heat to the northbridge, but do what you want.
October 23, 2007 9:13:20 PM

great, thanks for the tip.

down to:
crucial balistix DDR2-800 2x1GB
p35-ds3r
e6850
scythe ninja / thermalright ultra 120

*EDIT* also considering putting it all in to a: CoolerMaster 690
and using my current Enermax Liberty 500W PSU
October 24, 2007 3:11:38 AM

wstcoaster07 said:
great, thanks for the tip.

down to:
crucial balistix DDR2-800 2x1GB
p35-ds3r
e6850
scythe ninja / thermalright ultra 120

*EDIT* also considering putting it all in to a: CoolerMaster 690
and using my current Enermax Liberty 500W PSU

That RAM works flawlessly with the P35 DQ6 @ 800 4-4-4-12.
That Enermax is a tier 2 PSU, well done.
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme does a fantastic job, although I wish the mounting surface was a little flatter. It's still the one to have. If you go that way pair it with the Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Fan

I know you don't want to hear this, but IMO you would be better served by the Q6600 G0 Stepping. It can OC to 3G/1333 with no voltage increase and 3.3G with a little work, but you won't need it. The additional cores will be useful as more games become able to take advantage of them, which is happening already.

Edit: I just saw that you would like to get a Penryn, you might find you don't need one if you have a Q6600. I did see the free game combo, so that does make the E6850 a little cheaper. Oh well it's your decision, I already have a Q6600.




October 24, 2007 3:22:22 AM

Thanks for the tips. Any reason you said the P35 DQ6 rather than the ds3r? It does look like better cooling, but is the p35 cooling not sufficient for the 3.6OC? I am not planning on a CF/SLI set up either. Ive got no problem spending the 40 extra for that board, just wondering if I have any benefit from it.

As for the Heatsink, I think I am settling with the cheaper scythe ninja plus B. yes, slightly lower performance but again, the performance should still keep the E6850 stable at 3.6?? (please tell me if i am nuts haha)

The cpu, yes I would like the quad core for future but here is where my not wanting to wait comes in.... Essentially, the E6850 will only be in the system until the quad penryn is released early next year. I figure between now and then games will not benefit greatly from the quad, and I will get more out of the increase clock of the 6850.

oh yea, and that fan, thanks for the tip, I think I will plan on placing that on the scythe ninja (unless I really should go with the thermalright 120 eX)


*Edit* thanks for all of this help too. I would like to get most of these parts tomorrow (some of the rebates end tomorrow:)  )

last question: this case.....
CM690 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137&Tpk=CM690
opinions??? and will it fit all of these parts (mainly the heatsinks I am flopping between)
October 24, 2007 4:52:51 AM

wstcoaster07 said:
Thanks for the tips. Any reason you said the P35 DQ6 rather than the ds3r? It does look like better cooling, but is the p35 cooling not sufficient for the 3.6OC? I am not planning on a CF/SLI set up either. Ive got no problem spending the 40 extra for that board, just wondering if I have any benefit from it.
I just said DQ6 because I just built three of them with that RAM and it is the same board with respect to the northbridge/ RAM compatability. If you don't need the extra features of the DQ6 save your dough. It does have solid caps, good cooling and supposedly better power regulation, but your board may have most of that as well. You can check the Gigabyte site and use the comparison page.

wstcoaster07 said:
As for the Heatsink, I think I am settling with the cheaper scythe ninja plus B. yes, slightly lower performance but again, the performance should still keep the E6850 stable at 3.6?? (please tell me if i am nuts haha)
I don't know about the Scythe Ninja. Here is a review AnandTech: Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme: Is More Better?. The Ninja Plus B isn't there but it will give you some idea.

wstcoaster07 said:
The cpu, yes I would like the quad core for future but here is where my not wanting to wait comes in.... Essentially, the E6850 will only be in the system until the quad penryn is released early next year. I figure between now and then games will not benefit greatly from the quad, and I will get more out of the increase clock of the 6850.
True, it's your money.

wstcoaster07 said:
oh yea, and that fan, thanks for the tip, I think I will plan on placing that on the scythe ninja (unless I really should go with the thermalright 120 eX)
That's for you to decide, it is going to get a little warm at that speed.


wstcoaster07 said:
last question: this case.....
CM690 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137&Tpk=CM690
opinions??? and will it fit all of these parts (mainly the heatsinks I am flopping between)
I am not personally familiar with that case. At that price I would think that it probably lacks some of the polish that the more expensive cases have, but I looked at it and it looks good to me. it is certainly wide enough for the Ultra 120, or whatever else you want to use.

Good Luck with your build, it looks good.
October 24, 2007 5:55:43 AM

scythe ninja will be overkill i think, lol, i'm using a noctua NH-U-12 heatsink with the supplied fan and wiht an e6750 at 3.8ghz at 1.475vcore it is 55oC at load acordin to coretemp wiht the added 15oC offset. from what i hear the ninja is a better heatsink so it'll be fine.
October 24, 2007 4:17:33 PM

Zorg said:
I just said DQ6 because I just built three of them with that RAM and it is the same board with respect to the northbridge/ RAM compatability. If you don't need the extra features of the DQ6 save your dough. It does have solid caps, good cooling and supposedly better power regulation, but your board may have most of that as well. You can check the Gigabyte site and use the comparison page.

Thanks for the info on the DQ6. Yea, I think I may remain with the DS3r, seems many are having success without heat issues. I liked the caps and cooling on the higher models but doesn't seem like anyone is having issues with the DS3R.

I don't know about the Scythe Ninja. Here is a review [urlExt=http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2943&p=3 said:
AnandTech: Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme: Is More Better?. The Ninja Plus B isn't there but it will give you some idea. ] I don't know about the Scythe Ninja. Here is a review AnandTech: Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme: Is More Better?. The Ninja Plus B isn't there but it will give you some idea.
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Yea, I have been following a bunch of reviews and still on the edge between the ninja or the thermalright.... i may just bite the bullet and go for that thermalright extreme 120.... no point in risking unhappy performance with the ninja when I OC in the future with penryn.

True, it's your money. said:
True, it's your money.

I actually now decided to reduce to the E6750 for the OC to spare the money for my future upgrade isnce it seems I should be able to hit 3.6 hopefully with that. Considered the Q6600 again but the fact that people are off and on for getting that G0 stepping makes me weary as I really would like that 3.4+ OC for now.


I am not personally familiar with that case. At that price I would think that it probably lacks some of the polish that the more expensive cases have, but I looked at it and it looks good to me. it is certainly wide enough for the Ultra 120, or whatever else you want to use. said:
I am not personally familiar with that case. At that price I would think that it probably lacks some of the polish that the more expensive cases have, but I looked at it and it looks good to me. it is certainly wide enough for the Ultra 120, or whatever else you want to use.


Yea, would like a more black shine finish on it so may keep looking. Overall style I did like though and glad it will fit the larger taller HS's


Thanks for all of the tips.... I am anxious to break down and finally put the purchases through. I am deffinitely settled on the MB, RAM and CPU for now... just have to finish my debate/research on the HS and case
Good Luck with your build, it looks good.[/quotemsg]
October 24, 2007 4:42:41 PM

Zorg said:
The e6850 @3.6 will run at a core clock of 400 which is 1:1 for DDR2 800. I wouldn't waste the money on 1066, the gains are small.


Took the words right out of my mouth......
October 24, 2007 4:52:30 PM

Little update. Just put the order through on ClubIT for the E6750 with the P35-DS3R MB (clubIT could guarantee the rev2.0 on the MB while newegg could not. Plus got free fedEX ground 3-7 day... not in a rush since I wont be ordering the 8800GT until the 29thish anyway. Thanks again for all the help guys.

Am putting the order through now for the Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 2x1GB and the thermalright-ultra 120 extreme w/ silenX fan

Done and done.... anyone wanna buy a e6600 p5wDH deluxe 2x1GB OCZ DDR2-800 ? hahaha.
(great at a 3.0OC but had trouble pushing past that)
October 24, 2007 5:02:32 PM

The Crucial Ballistix 1066 can do DDR2 800MHz 3-3-3-8 @2.0 volts. The best ram for overclocking!
October 24, 2007 5:13:13 PM

systemlord said:
The Crucial Ballistix 1066 can do DDR2 800MHz 3-3-3-8 @2.0 volts. The best ram for overclocking!


Man! you guys are killin me. I was set on the 800 but if i can run the 1066 at tigher timings I am all in. You best be right haha
October 24, 2007 8:49:19 PM

wstcoaster07 said:
Man! you guys are killin me. I was set on the 800 but if i can run the 1066 at tigher timings I am all in. You best be right haha


Did I mention that the 1066 can also do 1200MHz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.2 volts? Why yes they can! :D  If your going to OC any RAM you must have some extra cooling! Stick a RAM fan on them because thay get hot at 1200MHz, but you should go for the lower timings of 3-3-3-8. Taking 20c off your RAM dimms is all good, look here> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835227004&Tpk=coolit%2bram%2bfan

Heres a review> http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/7498/36/1/3/

And here> http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Coolit_PCI_Ram_Fans/index.shtml
October 24, 2007 8:53:22 PM

systemlord said:
Did I mention that the 1066 can also do 1200MHz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.2 volts? Why yes they can! :D  If your going to OC any RAM you must have some extra cooling! Stick a RAM fan on them because thay get hot at 1200MHz, but you should go for the lower timings of 3-3-3-8. Taking 20c off your RAM dimms is all good, look here> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835227004&Tpk=coolit%2bram%2bfan

Heres a review> http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/7498/36/1/3/

And here> http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Coolit_PCI_Ram_Fans/index.shtml



Yea I was planning to go with lower timings at 900MHz to run at a 1:1 (planning on putting the e6750 at 3600 (w 450FSB 8 mult) I think that SHOULD be definitely possible with my setup without too much heat or difficulty (am i hoping for too much?)

p.s. thanks for that tip on the fan, will plan on using it once/if i jump to higher speeds on the ram

Purchased so far: e6750, p35-ds3r, crucial ballistix ddr2-1066, thermalright-ultra 120 extreme, silenX fan
*going to pick up the x23 gresse for the heatsink
October 24, 2007 9:14:51 PM

wstcoaster07 said:
Yea I was planning to go with lower timings at 900MHz to run at a 1:1 (planning on putting the e6750 at 3600 (w 450FSB 8 mult) I think that SHOULD be definitely possible with my setup without too much heat or difficulty (am i hoping for too much?)

p.s. thanks for that tip on the fan, will plan on using it once/if i jump to higher speeds on the ram

Purchased so far: e6750, p35-ds3r, crucial ballistix ddr2-1066, thermalright-ultra 120 extreme, silenX fan
*going to pick up the x23 gresse for the heatsink


Going for 3.6GHz shouldn't be a problem for the E6750, look at mine my E6600 got to 3.7GHz on the Tuniq Tower 120 which is second best to the Ultra 120 Extreme. My E6600 posted at 4.0GHz but without watercooling no can do.
October 24, 2007 11:19:23 PM

systemlord said:
Going for 3.6GHz shouldn't be a problem for the E6750, look at mine my E6600 got to 3.7GHz on the Tuniq Tower 120 which is second best to the Ultra 120 Extreme. My E6600 posted at 4.0GHz but without watercooling no can do.


Great, thanks. yea my e6600 OC like crap (of course, could have just been me) I was lookin at upwards of 1.555 Vcore just to get 3.2 and the mem wasnt doing too hot either. was using a pretty high northbridge as well. was one of the first few sets of 6600's and OEM at that. running it now at 1.35V for 3.0 GHz with my DDR2-800 only running at 667 to keep it from crashing randomly.
Hopefully I can get better results out of the 6750 G0 stepping.
!