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October 22, 2007 8:24:24 AM

Hey guys, I've been reading the forums for a very long time and I am finally posting something because I feel it is time for me to start somewhere in TH forums







This is the supposed "leak" of the 8800gt and it seems from the source that the 8800gt is faster than both gts's. Heres the link to the Vr-zone thread. http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=197188
And heres a link to the source http://myevilprocessor.blogspot.com/2007/10/geforce-880....

Just like all of us, I'm hoping that we can get a great card that well perform as good as the benchmarks or better for a price similar to the 320 gts.
October 22, 2007 8:29:47 AM

if this is the Geforce 8800GT for $179....I am going to cry in happiness.

Wait if the 8800GT is faster than 8800GTS...and the 8800GT is like $179-250..than shouldn't the price of 8800GTS fall to like..$100-200, depending on memory size??? Maybe I'm wrong...
October 22, 2007 8:46:13 AM

qmalik said:
if this is the Geforce 8800GT for $179....I am going to cry in happiness.

Wait if the 8800GT is faster than 8800GTS...and the 8800GT is like $179-250..than shouldn't the price of 8800GTS fall to like..$100-200, depending on memory size??? Maybe I'm wrong...


from what I've heard, nvidia is going to drop the 320MB GTS and add more stream processors (112 vs the current 96) to the 640MB GTS.

I don't think there is going to be much, if any, of a price drop, but there will be more performance than the older 8800GTS'.
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October 22, 2007 8:57:36 AM

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October 22, 2007 8:59:21 AM

old news, still no true benchmarks ( wait for sites like tomshardware, xbitlabs, hothardware ,anandtech...... to give some benchmarks)
October 22, 2007 8:59:22 AM

Ignore wikipedia lol....

since old 8800gts will be phased out I expect their price to go way down.

October 22, 2007 9:17:26 AM

I suppose this is more factual then (was posted earlier by someone)

Guys, some more apparant specs on the 8800gt.


http://geforce9.com/index.html


According to that, 112SPU's, and it sais 16texture units, which is as greatgrapeape predicted..


The way it works is that the 8800gtx has 384bit interface, and the 8800gts has 320bit, 8800gt has 256bit.


When you go from GTX to GTS you disable 64"bits", now when you disable this, you also disable 8TMU's and 4ROP's. To go fromt he GTX's 32/24 to teh GTS's 24/20.


Same appleis with the 8800gt, when you go down to 256bit, you disable another 8 of the TMU's which gives 16TMU's. And with ROPS, you disable another 4, so you go down from 20 to 16.


Therefore, 16TMU's and 16ROPS.



SO final specs of the card SEEM to be.


65nm
Single-Slot Cooling
112SPU's
16 TextureUnits
16 Rops
Core Clock 600mhz
Shader Cloc 1500mhz
Memory Clock 1800mhz



So it definatly wont beat the GTX or the ultra, however it COULD do better then the 8800gts in SOME things.



Once again, to avoid flaming, these specs arent confirmed by anything official they are what I put together on what seems the most likely scenario based on the news at the moment.

October 22, 2007 9:43:06 AM

Well no not really.. its doubtful they had a 8800gt card, it wont have good drivers at initial release, it defiantly wont outperform a gtx or ultra.

So those benches are pretty wrong...
October 22, 2007 9:50:54 AM

Hatman said:
Well no not really.. its doubtful they had a 8800gt card, it wont have good drivers at initial release, it defiantly wont outperform a gtx or ultra.

So those benches are pretty wrong...

The post you are replying to was made by you here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/245496-33-scores-oute...

Post #97

So which is it??
October 22, 2007 9:51:40 AM

Duno what you mean by which, both my posts agree with each other.
October 22, 2007 11:27:15 AM

if is true that 8800gt is faster than 8800gts, then many 8800gts owners will be pissed (me included).
October 22, 2007 12:52:01 PM

accu said:
if is true that 8800gt is faster than 8800gts, then many 8800gts owners will be pissed (me included).



QFT!
October 22, 2007 1:33:54 PM

Hey accu,
welcome to the wonderful world of technology.
James
October 22, 2007 1:36:13 PM

lol
October 22, 2007 1:44:29 PM

Is it just an 8800GT coming out soon? - Does anyone know when the GTS / GTX versions are expected?
October 22, 2007 2:08:29 PM

Turbo9911 said:
Is it just an 8800GT coming out soon? - Does anyone know when the GTS / GTX versions are expected?


They say that the 8800GT will come out on OCT. 29th, which is coincidentally one week away from today. I'm thinking the new versions are due out between OCT. 29th and Mid-November, but I really haven't looked into those all that much.
October 22, 2007 2:11:54 PM

does anybody know what kind of power supply will require? I have a startech 400W power supply with V1 15A and V2 14A (supposedly I can get 29 amps according to the rating as it can supply a "true" 15A and 14A. Also, even though this card is pci-e 2.0, you can still run that card in a pci-e 1.0 slot right?
October 22, 2007 2:15:26 PM

james_8970 said:
Hey accu,
welcome to the wonderful world of technology.
James
Funny how many people complain about being ripped off when they didn't do their homework.
October 22, 2007 2:26:33 PM

sepayne21: I'm not 100% sure about the power requirements, but I would have thought you would be pushing it with 400W. Yes they should work fine with PCI-e 1.0. The way I understand it is that PCI-e 2.0 has more bandwidth (although 1.0's bandwidth has plenty of room still) and delivers more power to the card? (so the additional power connector isn't required).
October 22, 2007 2:28:44 PM

Heyyou27 said:
Funny how many people complain about being ripped off when they didn't do their homework.


I bought an 8800GTS 320 knowing full well what was coming - I wanted a PC there and then, and wasn't going to fall into the trap that if you wait for the next technology, you end up waiting forever!!! - I only bought the GTS to avoid buying the GTX then and there. I'm gonna dump my card for the new GTX as soon as it comes out though :-)
October 22, 2007 2:29:12 PM

sepayne21 said:
does anybody know what kind of power supply will require? I have a startech 400W power supply with V1 15A and V2 14A (supposedly I can get 29 amps according to the rating as it can supply a "true" 15A and 14A. Also, even though this card is pci-e 2.0, you can still run that card in a pci-e 1.0 slot right?


You might have trouble. I am pretty sure that the current 8800gts 320MB version uses 28 amps on 12v rail.
October 22, 2007 2:48:40 PM

sepayne21 said:
does anybody know what kind of power supply will require? I have a startech 400W power supply with V1 15A and V2 14A (supposedly I can get 29 amps according to the rating as it can supply a "true" 15A and 14A. Also, even though this card is pci-e 2.0, you can still run that card in a pci-e 1.0 slot right?



Supposedly it's 110watts. So slightly more power drain than the 8600gts and much less than the 8800gts.

You should be fine the recomendations are for single rail power supplies and a lot of the amps recommended the manufacture assumes will be used by other components in your PC.

PCI-E 2.0 cards will be compatible with all pci-e 1.1 mother boards (most motherboards since the 965 series are 1.1 I think) PCI-E adds double the bandwidth and provides double the voltage of the 1.0.
The 8800gtx does not even use the full pci-e 1.0 bandwidth, so you shouldn't be bottlenecked. Having a 2.0 motherboard should allow you to run the card without the 2x3 PCI-E connector. But at this point i think that would be the only real benefit.
October 22, 2007 2:53:51 PM

PCI-E 2 probably wont make any difference at all for a while, in certain apps it may help but not in games.

October 22, 2007 3:03:00 PM

aadamszc said:
They say that the 8800GT will come out on OCT. 29th, which is coincidentally one week away from today. I'm thinking the new versions are due out between OCT. 29th and Mid-November, but I really haven't looked into those all that much.

It'll be interesting to see how they stack up once they come out. I know a few people who are looking to getting a new card, I'll be sure to tell 'em to wait till these come out to see how they do.
October 22, 2007 3:09:06 PM

If the 8800GT numbers bear out then I'll be getting one for my new box. I've heard tell that some manufacturers will be hawkin' 1GB versions for $300. Now if THAT'S true then I'll definitely pick one up :D  !!
October 22, 2007 3:23:33 PM

Hatman said:
PCI-E 2 probably wont make any difference at all for a while, in certain apps it may help but not in games.

I doubt that. I fully realize that this was the case for AGP and PCI 1.0, however I believe the 8800GTX uses almost the full potential of the PCIe X16 bandwidth, therefor any vidcards better than that would be limited. There was a review here on THG on it too.

In any case, if the so called "9800GTX" is twice the performance of the 8800GTX, and also assuming it's coming late this year or early next year, I would say PCIe 1.0 is obsolete then and there. Of course this is all assumption, and of course many people will still but PCIe 1.0 motherboards and vidcards until maybe 2years later. I mean there are still a lot of people buying AGP vidcards...
October 22, 2007 3:30:33 PM

That 9800gtx stuff is made up, it doesnt exist. If there will be a new high end card it will be a dual 8800gt or a 65nm 8800gtx with much higher clocks.

Cards like the 8800gts only just use up 8x bandwidth I cant see the GTX using up all 16x. The next gen of cards will be ok.
October 22, 2007 3:52:13 PM

Evilonigiri said:
I doubt that. I fully realize that this was the case for AGP and PCI 1.0, however I believe the 8800GTX uses almost the full potential of the PCIe X16 bandwidth, therefor any vidcards better than that would be limited. There was a review here on THG on it too.

In any case, if the so called "9800GTX" is twice the performance of the 8800GTX, and also assuming it's coming late this year or early next year, I would say PCIe 1.0 is obsolete then and there. Of course this is all assumption, and of course many people will still but PCIe 1.0 motherboards and vidcards until maybe 2years later. I mean there are still a lot of people buying AGP vidcards...


http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/03/27/pci_express_scaling_analysis/

8800gts Just barely using more than the 8x could provide.

The 8800gt and new 8800gts cards are only slightly faster than the old 8800gts. (Assuming the rumors to be accurate)

The next generation high end cards might be able to break past the PCI-E 1.0 limits, but i doubt by much...
October 22, 2007 4:38:56 PM

Hell I dont care, I"ll still get PCI-E 2.0 just because its new technology. :lol: 

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October 22, 2007 5:27:34 PM

Heyyou27 said:
Quote:
Hey accu,
welcome to the wonderful world of technology.
James
Funny how many people complain about being ripped off when they didn't do their homework.


Yep.

Or when they complain because something new came out and replaced the best deal they could get when they bought their card. Anyone who bought a GTS 6+months ago should be more than happy with their purchase IMO.

It's like complaining that your '06 vehicle has now been replaced by the new & improved '07 model. Well duh!

Anyone who is an original GTS owner and whines about the GF8800GT coming out, should sell their system, and buy an Xbox360.... and an iPhone, so that they can join the whiney early adopters there who couldn't figure out the idea of pricing.
October 22, 2007 6:03:33 PM

"Its getting hot in here"

Its a freaking unstoppable computer progress which is inevitably intrinsically linked to the social market.

In some months someone will post "if is true that 10800xpto is faster than 10800gt, then many 10800xpto owners will be pissed".

If i buy it... Ill replace my 7800GT. What a stupid coincidence it would be. :p 
October 22, 2007 7:47:11 PM

Quote:
I doubt that. I fully realize that this was the case for AGP and PCI 1.0, however I believe the 8800GTX uses almost the full potential of the PCIe X16 bandwidth, therefor any vidcards better than that would be limited. There was a review here on THG on it too.

In any case, if the so called "9800GTX" is twice the performance of the 8800GTX, and also assuming it's coming late this year or early next year, I would say PCIe 1.0 is obsolete then and there. Of course this is all assumption, and of course many people will still but PCIe 1.0 motherboards and vidcards until maybe 2years later. I mean there are still a lot of people buying AGP vidcards...

What are you basing your information on?
Next year PCIe 1.0, obsolete in a year? What have you been smoking?
PCIe 1.0 will be here for a long time to come.
Here's a link to back me up
http://www.techspot.com/review/45-nvidia-nforce-650i-sl...
It'll be awhile before we can fully saturate PCIe x8 1.0 never mind the bandwidth of PCIe x16.
James
October 22, 2007 7:58:29 PM

qmalik, the Antec earthwatts PSU are poorly made PSU's. Don't cheap out.
Till we know the power requirements of the card, it's not worth asking, because your guess is as goods as ours.
James
October 22, 2007 8:11:38 PM

james_8970 said:
qmalik, the Antec earthwatts PSU are poorly made PSU's. Don't cheap out.
Till we know the power requirements of the card, it's not worth asking, because your guess is as goods as ours.
James

Antec EarthWatts EA 380 27amps
Antec EarthWatts EA 430 30amps

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=205763

To each his own. I wouldn't use them myself but the choice is still an option as opposed to trashing them by the basis of name alone.

October 22, 2007 8:16:35 PM

how does the 8800gt with a 256 bit interface smoke the 8800gts/gtx with 320 /384 bit interfaces??
if the price quoted --179--200$ is true i am buying the card the day it launches!!!
also the fact that it might run cooler and is a single slot solution makes it worth buying! finally a good replacement for the 6600gt i own.
now benchmarks are all i need !!!
October 22, 2007 8:24:37 PM

sunny27 said:
how does the 8800gt with a 256 bit interface smoke the 8800gts/gtx with 320 /384 bit interfaces??


It's using a new architecture in the GPU. It's rumored to be the G96 processor while the newer cards that come out, (First half of 08) will use the G92 processor. So it's not impossible for it to beat an 8800GTS or 8800GTX. Although personally I think it's BS and just rumors. (In case you haven't noticed rumors always make the product much better than what it really is.) To market a new GPU that is cheaper and has a name that implies lesser performance, and in turn have it beat your top products, is bad business. It's on par with ATI making an HD2900SE and having it smoke an HD2900XT; only for about half the cost. it makes no sense while looking from a business perspective.
October 22, 2007 8:26:30 PM

More SP's the nthe 8800gts along with higher clocks. 600/1500/1800 for gt, rather then 500/1200/1600 for the GTS.

8800gts can then perform 115200 shader operations per sec, while 8800gt does 168000.

gtx does 172800 and the ultra does 192000.

On the other hand, gt has 16/16 compared to 24/20 for TMU's and ROPS for the 8800gts, 256bit to 320bit, 512mb to 640mb.

justinmcg6 7 mite all be rubbish, I dont really care lol if i is ill probably go 2900pro 1gb :D 
October 22, 2007 8:34:37 PM

need to wait for the scores and reviews before making any more speculations.
October 22, 2007 9:47:19 PM

Yeah, I made a mistake.
James
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2007 10:01:36 PM

james_8970 said:

Here's a link to back me up
http://www.techspot.com/review/45-nvidia-nforce-650i-sl...


Link doesn't show what you think it shows. The difference between the same chipset can be much larger and there's no throughoput change, so using it as a PCIe bandwidth test is very sketchy, especially considering the access to the CPU is still pretty much the I/O issue for SLi not just the communication between cards.

Quote:
It'll be awhile before we can fully saturate PCIe x8 1.0 never mind the bandwidth of PCIe x16.
James


However in the PCIe scaling article by Patrick & co;

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/03/27/pci_express_scaling_analysis/page8.html#call_of_duty_2

You can clearly see the benefits on the GF8800GTS to going from 8X to 16X in both gaming and workstation situations (the later likely even benefiting from the new higher speed 16 lanes). That to me would indicate that we are already saturating PCIe 8X in some situations. Interestingly the GTS is affect by the difference, and not the X1950XTX, which may be due to the need to swap out the VRAM on the smaller 320MB more often than on the larger 512MB, but unfortunately no follow-up article with the GTS-640 came along to add more insight.

As for making a GF8800GT that beats a current GTS or even GTX, it depends alot on the cost for nV to make one, if they can significantly reduce the cost of the GF8800GT for them to make compared to the GTX, and still sell it at high volumes with good margins and spark another buying spree, it makes perfect economic sense, especially if you expect the opposition to do something just under that, then you worry about your oppoosition stealing your GTX sales, more than your own card stealing your GTX sales, so in order to keep them in the nV fold you do what you haven't been forced to do for the last 12 months, which is have a compelling replacement for the GTX.
October 22, 2007 10:22:32 PM

Hhhhmmm bigger difference there, though it tends to vary....how did I miss that review when I googled it.
Crap, this means I'll be upgrading earlier then planned.
O well, all in the fun. Gives me an excuse I guess. :p 
Wish they would have placed a GTX on there, I was thinking about buying a HD2900xt pro and crossfiring it on my P35 board, there goes that plan, it'd be money down the drain.
James
October 22, 2007 10:25:52 PM

I'm thinking that the 8800 GT is performing better only because of it's higher clocks than the 8800 gts, even though the gts has more "stuff" in it, stream processors etc... I could be wrong, but you never know. If overclocked to the same speeds, wouldn't the gts perform better?
October 22, 2007 10:27:24 PM

Buy the cards and let us know :p 
James
October 22, 2007 10:55:58 PM

Well if the 8800gt is better then a 8800gts 320mb, I wonder by how much? My setup program with evga ends on Oct. 30.
October 22, 2007 11:05:53 PM

I want that girl. Red eyes, but in a good way!
October 22, 2007 11:31:25 PM

nightscope said:
I'm thinking that the 8800 GT is performing better only because of it's higher clocks than the 8800 gts, even though the gts has more "stuff" in it, stream processors etc... I could be wrong, but you never know. If overclocked to the same speeds, wouldn't the gts perform better?



Current GTS.

320bit
98SP's
24TMU's
20ROP's
320/640mb

New GT

256bit (confirmed)
112SP's (not confirmed)
16TMU's (not confirmed but pretty sure)
16ROP's (not confirmed but pretty sure)
256/512mb (confirmed)

The clocks for 8800gts are 500/1200/1600 I believe, wheras the 8800GT will have 600/1500/1800

Thats core - shader - memory.

So according to those stats, it would have an enourmous lead in shading power, very close to that of the GTX thanks to the much higher clocks. However it would be crippled by the other stats most likely at high resolutions.


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cory1234 you may have 1day to order that step up thing lol.

October 23, 2007 4:23:27 AM

Yeah somehow I think that it wont be up on their site that day. So you think its worth trading in if I dont have to pay anything? My resolution is 1680x1050.
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