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First 8800GT REVIEW!!!

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October 23, 2007 1:34:20 PM

Chinese page, loads slowly. Use google translator if you want to understand what they're saying, it's not that difficult.

If this review is legit (seems to be, way too indetail to be a fraud I'd say), this thing owns everything but the GTX. Wow.

Makes me wonder what the new 8800GTS will be like.

http://topic.expreview.com/2007-10-23/1193114539d6255_1...

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October 23, 2007 1:38:08 PM

Overclocks stable from 600 mhz to 730. Wow. But I think they added a 3rd party cooler.

Makes me wonder if I can get 650mhz with stock cooler...
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October 23, 2007 1:40:51 PM

i'm becoming bored from all this non-true benchmarks , and i have repeated this 1000 times before : Wait for real benchmarks
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October 23, 2007 1:42:29 PM

Hmm sure is slow, so I'll respond while I wait for the next page to load. Actually, if I were to trust these results, I should take this time to take pics of my 320MB GTS and get it up on ebay as it's value is about to drop through the floor and I will want this GT instead anyway.
October 23, 2007 1:51:48 PM

Maziar said:
i'm becoming bored from all this non-true benchmarks , and i have repeated this 1000 times before : Wait for real benchmarks


It is possible we are seeing the first benchmarks. While I don't put much stock into these, I agree with the OP. These are pretty detailed. Either someone made a 19 page article about the card just for **** and giggles, or this might be the first real results. Besides, the Japanese are always the first to get info.
October 23, 2007 1:52:59 PM

Chinese. lol.
October 23, 2007 1:59:03 PM

aadamszc said:
It is possible we are seeing the first benchmarks. While I don't put much stock into these, I agree with the OP. These are pretty detailed. Either someone made a 19 page article about the card just for **** and giggles, or this might be the first real results. Besides, the Japanese are always the first to get info.


I agree as well.

I'm sorry if Maziar thinks that any review not written in English is not worth the paper its written on.
Heaven forbid the region of the world that actually manufacturers the parts is able to do a review. :sarcastic: 
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October 23, 2007 2:06:34 PM

i didnt mean because its not english , its not good , i meant still no trusted sites has made any reviews about it

that review he posted may even be true, who knows
October 23, 2007 2:07:14 PM

Maziar said:
i'm becoming bored from all this non-true benchmarks , and i have repeated this 1000 times before : Wait for real benchmarks

It comes out in 2weeks with months of hype, theres going to be a review at some point!


Looks legit to me, 16rops is right, they had the damn cooler right there in a pic aswell as the GPU in a pic. If they got the GPU it doesnt make sense to make benches up does it?
October 23, 2007 2:10:53 PM

No Marvin, in God's language... English.
October 23, 2007 2:22:00 PM






There we go.
October 23, 2007 2:41:40 PM

wow...i am so sick and tired of seeing fatal1ty crap, wendel is a bitch and everyone knows it. he sold out and now everything bearing his name sucks big time, mid-range at the very best but priced like high-end.

on a side note, i still want to see benchmarks from someone reputable and that speaks my language. even if it does slightly come in above my 8800gts 640mb, i have had it for a year now so it won't bother me at all, i expect something better to come along eventuallly...just didnt figure it would be this long, lol
October 23, 2007 2:45:45 PM

Its DX10.0, not 10.1 ! It would be a waste of your time to upgrade to this from an 8800GTS. Wait until Nvidia rolls out their 10.1 cards. ATI's upcoming generation will have 10.1 support along with UVD hardware support so Nvidia better step up their game with this "next generation". It does have excellent VP2 decoding abilities though. If you don't have an 8800GTS already then this would make a nice Christmas gift to yourself.
October 23, 2007 2:49:31 PM

jrnyfan said:
wow...i am so sick and tired of seeing fatal1ty crap, wendel is a bitch and everyone knows it. he sold out and now everything bearing his name sucks big time, mid-range at the very best but priced like high-end.


lol, I'm lost.
October 23, 2007 3:16:55 PM

aadamszc said:
lol, I'm lost.



I think he got the wrong thread lol
October 23, 2007 3:52:25 PM

You don't know fatal1ty omgz, the QUAKE GOD!

lol, back sorta on topic, i'm skeptical about anything from that part of the world.
October 23, 2007 3:57:28 PM

Then don't buy ANY computer parts.
October 23, 2007 4:00:12 PM

stemnin said:
You don't know fatal1ty omgz, the QUAKE GOD!

lol, back sorta on topic, i'm skeptical about anything from that part of the world.


I think he's talking about the fact that a fatality flame comment was brought up in a thread that hadnt even mentioned fatality lol.
October 23, 2007 4:02:37 PM

I have no idea why these were not named 8900 or 8950. Why have a gt beat out a gts then relaunch a completly new gts that will blow away the current gts with no new series name.

They could have done...

8900gt: g92, 96sp blah blah
8900gts: g92, 112sp
8900gtx: 2x g92, 96sp or 112sp.

This is just crazy that they kept the 8800 series and decided not to add the new series on which they should have done. But in that case, I don't think that ATI should be changing from 2900=>38XX.
October 23, 2007 4:14:51 PM



If you look carefully, the custom cooler is of Fatality brand.
October 23, 2007 4:18:11 PM

wingless said:
Its DX10.0, not 10.1 ! It would be a waste of your time to upgrade to this from an 8800GTS. Wait until Nvidia rolls out their 10.1 cards. ATI's upcoming generation will have 10.1 support along with UVD hardware support so Nvidia better step up their game with this "next generation". It does have excellent VP2 decoding abilities though. If you don't have an 8800GTS already then this would make a nice Christmas gift to yourself.


I thought 2900 was DX10.1 . Anyway ,whats so important about 10.1? Its not like its an amazing new version.And i dont think we have enough of DX10 games to judge so far so why are people so excited about 10.1???
I think i can live with my poor DX10 8800GTS for a few months more.
October 23, 2007 4:27:59 PM

Its the chinese, i wouldnt be surprised if they had gotten hold of this card first. In any case, i been saving up money for this after deciding to skip getting a 640 mb gts. Seems like it comes very close to gtx though, insane.
October 23, 2007 4:30:10 PM

Either this article is legit, or they've hired a team of expert photoshoppers and risk losing all credibility once the "real" benchmarks hit.
October 23, 2007 4:31:57 PM

somehow i don't believe nvida would release a 249 card that can gets within 10-15fps of the 500-550 dollar 8800gtx, without something up there sleeve...that or the review is full of itself


edit - i mean seriously...you could get 2 SLI them and get 8800GTX performance or probably even better (if u run a decent resolution) for cheaper then an 8800GTX ...doesn't make any sense unless they are going to be releasing a enthusiast product also.
October 23, 2007 5:12:19 PM

FatFunkey got a point.

I say give Jack Bauer 5min with Nvidia.
October 23, 2007 5:20:28 PM

FatFunkey said:
somehow i don't believe nvida would release a 249 card that can gets within 10-15fps of the 500-550 dollar 8800gtx, without something up there sleeve...that or the review is full of itself


edit - i mean seriously...you could get 2 SLI them and get 8800GTX performance or probably even better (if u run a decent resolution) for cheaper then an 8800GTX ...doesn't make any sense unless they are going to be releasing a enthusiast product also.


Isn't this exactly what happened with the x1950 from ATI? The xtx still sold for a lot more money for a small jump in performance. I don't think it is that unbelievable.

If this review is true, I am very excited. The performance is amazing and it helps with video decoding, which is a big plus for me. Consider this card bought if this review is true, unless of course the ATI offering is better.
October 23, 2007 5:20:37 PM

He does a point. However, I bet there is some kind of catch. I don't know what, but I bet there is. ;) 

I was reading through and it looks like the idle temperature sits at 62 C. Ouch.
October 23, 2007 5:25:02 PM

If you want to SLI you need an nvidia board :D 

GTX prices will probably drop, but its still no1 in performance and while the 8800gt is quite close its still not going to be anywhere near in certain games, as soon as a game comes along that needs lots of bandwidth or memory then 8800gt is in trouble.
October 23, 2007 5:43:33 PM

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i'm becoming bored from all this non-true benchmarks , and i have repeated this 1000 times before : Wait for real benchmarks



Same here.
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October 23, 2007 6:13:00 PM

Need something from other reviewers to better confirm this, but looks pretty solid if the price remains.

It was interesting that the power savings weren't as large as expected vs the GTS, it is about 20W better, but people were talking about a sub 100W card before.

Also of not is some of the DX10 benchies where performance starts out well (above the GTS-640) and then drops off, and it's in the same areas where the GTS-320 either is extremely slow or is not playable.

It'll be interesting to see it against the XT-512 in those situations as memory size would be the same, and so it could better expose where it's VRAM or a combination of ROP count that is at play.

Interesting, but stil waiting for something with a little more credibility. Speaking of which, for those like Turboflame who said they would 'lose all their credibility' if it was photoshopped etc, that would require that they have some credibility to begin with that they would be worried about losing it. Rigth now I'd say they have little credibility, but they are probably getting more page hits in 1 week than they did all last year, which would easily justify a ruse.

I'm not saying it's fake, it looks pretty real and kinda thorough, but it's not a site with an existing infrastructure to risk like THG, Xbit, FiringSquad, Anand, etc.
October 23, 2007 6:15:36 PM

Tbh if one of the card makers, gigabyte I think, they released a 1gb 8600gt then they'll probably release a 1gb 8800gt. Wish it would be sooner rather then later, if at all. Im not waiting if a 1gb varient may not appear before christmas though.

I agree with ape, I kinda find it hard to believe they made that card themselves though and said it was a 8800gt, they had pics, it couldnt of been worth all the trouble of making it appear like they had one, for like 1week of glory. Card comes out in 6days.
October 23, 2007 6:21:12 PM

Lets hope it costs less than 300 and i'll sli the bitches!
October 23, 2007 6:30:29 PM

How can anyone not SLI it :p 
October 23, 2007 7:00:29 PM

I won't be SLIing it, but that is because I am rather poor.

Either way(if this is true or not), I'll either be getting myself an 8800GT 512MB or an 8800GTS 340MB. Well, pending the release of any ATI cards. Aren't some slated for a mid-november release? Really, I'm hoping that the GT is actually better and is sub-$250.

-Adam
October 23, 2007 7:09:25 PM

The credibility of the site is not really in question to the english speaking population. For all we know it might be a very reputable site in China.
Thats not to say to ignore the reputation aspect of any review, its just that just because you haven't heard of another site based entirely in a language you can't read doesn't mean that site doesn't have a good reputation in its native language.



Why I don't think they are changing the number to 8900 is because the 8800s have a lot of word of mouth about them, everyone knows the 8800s are good. The 8X00 in general doesn't pull the same weight as the 8800s specifically. The 8800 GTX is also still more powerful, so if they release a higher number that performs less then their high end 8800 then its going to taint the appeal of the higher number range for quite a while.

In terms of beating the 8800GTS, so long as they are still selling chips, it really doesn't matter which exact version they are selling. Given the die shrink they are likely getting a lot more 8800 GTs for the same production cost as the GTSs. Even at the lower price point of the GT they might still be making more per chip then the GTSs.
Also assuming Nvidia has already scaled back production of the GTS chips, even if they do release the GT at a lower price point, its going to be the OEMs and/or retailers that end up taking the majority of the loss on the devaulation of the GTS cards. It might strain industry relationships of course, but it wouldn't have much of an impact on Nvidia's bottom line.
The biggest one its going to hurt is ATI, because ATI had a pretty good price/performance point between the GTS and GTX cards, and now the GT comes out considerably cheaper and apartently more powerful (in general). So unless ATI's new release is both more powerful and cheaper then their current high end model they are going to be loosing ground again.

The review looks legitimate and the numbers seem believable.
October 23, 2007 7:11:21 PM

aadamszc said:
I'm hoping that the GT is actually better


O_o dude its pretty much only 10-15fps short of a 8800GTX for 1/2 the price (If review holds true)..i mean seriously i bet with some O/cing you could hit GTX levels of performance...


now all we need to see is the RV670 Performance...

*i still think both parties have something up there sleeve, in due time i guess we will find out soon enough


October 23, 2007 7:25:14 PM

FatFunkey said:
O_o dude its pretty much only 10-15fps short of a 8800GTX for 1/2 the price (If review holds true)..i mean seriously i bet with some O/cing you could hit GTX levels of performance...


now all we need to see is the RV670 Performance...

*i still think both parties have something up there sleeve, in due time i guess we will find out soon enough


Yeah, but like so many have said...the results may not be legit. While I do hope that they are and partially think that they are, I am just goign to air on the side of it not being true.

It is always better to have low hopes and then be pleasantly suprised than to have high hopes and be dissapointed.

Edit: If they do have something up their sleves and I buy a GT, I better have step-up, or I'm going to be PISSED.
October 23, 2007 7:33:31 PM

It would need an extra 50mhz on teh shader clock to theoretically be as good as the GTX in that respect.
October 23, 2007 7:40:08 PM

I've a little question about the 8800GT, it will support directx 10.1 or only the 2950 will support it?
October 23, 2007 7:40:51 PM

Only 2950. I think 2900's support it too though.
October 23, 2007 7:53:12 PM

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=544&card2...

As you can see, the theoretical performance on the 8800gt to the 8800gts reflects those benches, the stats are 112SP's, 16rops and 16tmus, thats fine.

While GTS beats it in those things it isnt yb enough to make up the enourmous shader difference.

AN OC to 750/1650/1000 gives it theoretical performance over the 8800gts in every respect.
October 23, 2007 8:01:13 PM

The 2900 has some features that are in 10.1 but I'm pretty sure its not fully 10.1 compliant.

-mcg
October 23, 2007 8:03:30 PM

Seikent said:
I've a little question about the 8800GT, it will support directx 10.1 or only the 2950 will support it?


Only the upcoming ATI cards like the RV670 will support 10.1. The G92 8800GT is 10.0 only. Nvidia won't have a 10.1 part out till Q1/08 probably. If the 8800GT is cheaper than an 8800GTS 320mb then it will be well worth the money though!
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October 23, 2007 8:08:47 PM

HD2900 is not DX10.1 compliant (fact), just the HD2950 (supposedly).
October 23, 2007 8:13:06 PM

Hmm... I can't get the page to load. Either the original or the google translated. It loads the banner and then stops saying its done.

-mcg
October 23, 2007 8:16:26 PM

The page doesn't work in FF, only in IE. Someone else posted the link earlier today in another thread, thats how I know.
After reading that, if these benchmarks are true. There is no way in hell that card will be going for ~$250.
Also why do people think the GTX will come down in price, this GT doesn't beat the GTX, therefor there is no reason to believe that there will be any price adjustment on the GTX.
James
October 23, 2007 8:25:35 PM

It does work in FF, scroll to teh right, long way to the right.

There may be a reason james, it might be called rv670 lol. 55nm vs 90nm they cant reduce their 8800gts cards taht much in price and make anywhere near as much money as ATI does, so this card does that for them and will likely beat ATI at the same time, so needintg this card the others will be chanegd around it, like mroe SP's to 8800gts.

8800GTX will probably drop in price although there hasnt been much talk about it.
October 23, 2007 8:29:54 PM

Unless something beats it in price I cannot see it dropping in price, the fact that it will still be on 90nm further suggests that Nvidia will want to keep it higher as margins won't be quite as high. Just the way I look at it I guess.
I could be wrong, but the transition from 90nm down to 60nm, wouldn't that only safe them like 3-5 dollars a card?
I know when your selling millions of them it begins to make a big difference, but isn't that all be are talking about with die shrinks? Or is it more? Or does anyone even know? lol
James
October 23, 2007 8:34:06 PM

Why do peepz keep denying it. These are all benchmarks if one is screwed up if there is 2 benchmarks and they both said the same thing. 8800GT will probably beat out the 8800 GTS then it 8800 GTS will drop in price. I'm keeping my 8800 GTX for quite a while. DX 10.1 is only for R670 mate.
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