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October 6, 2007 1:00:08 AM

Thanks in advance for the help.

Here are the specs for a new build that I have to put together in the next few weeks. I'm not a hardcore FPS player by any means... I do game, but it's all MMO and strategy style games, so if you are suggesting anything thats "a little better" but costs more keep in mind I do no video editing, will watch no movies on this, and I don't play FPS games. I will also be running Win XP Pro.

I'm ordering everything from Newegg, they have been reliable for me in the past.

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

CPU Fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...


I'm wondering if the power supply and memory are too much, or if the video card will be capable of playing MMOs at max settings a year from now, and whether everything will be compatible and all that jazz.

Thanks a lot for your help.... Build ends up at $1100 with shipping. Ideally I'd like to stay under $1200, including monitor...




Anonymous
October 6, 2007 1:36:28 AM


Memory and PSU will not be too much. PSU may have a bit more power than you need, but not enough to make you think about cutting back. Your want some extra room for the future.
October 6, 2007 2:56:00 AM

Is there going to be a significant difference if I upgrade from E6750 to an E6850? 2.66Mhz to 3.0MHz going to make a huge difference? I don't video edit or play FPS games.
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October 6, 2007 12:59:34 PM

Honestly I don't think you'd notice much difference in either one... unless OC'ing then you might... either way though you should be fine, looks like a good, solid build.
October 6, 2007 10:05:39 PM

Wow... that's an excellent build for your needs, I couldn't have done it any better, great part selection (Finally someone takes the PSU into consideration). The only thing that I might have done a bit different was to use an X1950 Pro with 256MB instead of 512MB to save $40, but it's really not that big of a deal anyway.
October 6, 2007 11:07:34 PM

Is a 256MB going to gimp performance? I figured the games a year from now that I should have 512MB so that it'll run those easier...
October 6, 2007 11:58:40 PM

Well if I were you I'd rather try to get a more powerful GPU for $40-50 than to use them for more VRam, after all there are only a handful of titles that utilize 512MB of Vram on the kind of res you plan on running, and even less of those titles will use 512MB effectively when paired with that GPU. (The RV570 is a good GPU, however doesn't compare to G80 or R600)

if you want to get good eye candy then I suggest you start looking at the HD 2900 Pro or 8800GTS, those cards should last you a lot longer for a mere $100 more.
October 7, 2007 1:42:52 AM

Actually the video card will be the bottleneck. Even a x2 4400+ (E6300) type cpu would be far faster then needed. If you're a gamer, get a better video card (even if it's just a 8800 GTS series).
Go with a pretty good power supply for about the same price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
More simple ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
the differences in speed isn't going to be worth $40+ bucks.
The cpu is about the best "bang for the buck", keep it if you can.
October 7, 2007 2:05:55 AM

what about this for a PSU? It's a bit cheaper and higher wattage:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

I don't like that ram that you linked... seems to have a ton of issues with having to change voltage. Plus the Crucial that I initially posted is actually cheaper if the mail-in rebate goes through.

Do you think that there will be a huge difference from a x1950pro going to a 8800GTS if I'm not doing anything more than playing MMOs ? I don't FPS game, nor do I watch videos or edit them... so I thought x1950 pro would be the sweet spot.
October 7, 2007 2:19:11 AM

I wouldn't get either, however out of the two the better one is the OCZ StealthXStream FOR SURE, never even think about getting a Cooler Master PSU please, it will be a big mistake (Unless you want to shell out of for the Real Power Pro 1000W).

Wattage is not really important anymore, it's the amperage and stability on the 12V rails what matters these days, that OCZ seems to be giving Peak ratings and not constant (Which is something I really dislike), on top of that, in my eyes the only really decent OCZ line up is the GameXStream (The StealthXStream is similar, but not nearly as good).

These are some of the best units in the $100-130 range (Which is what you should be aiming at for your system):

CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec NeoPower NeoHE 550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, TUV, CE, FCC, CCC, CB, C-tick - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SeaSonic M12 SS-500HM ATX12V / EPS12V 500W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, cUL, CE, CB, TUV - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Even though it's really a tight competition here, the best bang/buck would most likely be:

1. Antec NeoHE 550
2. Seasonic M12 500
3. PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610
4. Corsair 520HX

By this I don't mean that any of these units is better than the other (After all, they are ALL made by Seasonic), but which provides the most power for the dollar (Pretty much I made that based on prices).
October 7, 2007 3:32:29 AM

If you're thinking about future, see about getting an 8800 GTS, great performance, and they have DirectX10 support which would make it a little more future proof then the x1950, but that's just my opinion...
October 7, 2007 4:31:38 AM

Thank you, I'm going to go with the Antec NEOHE 550, like I originally posted.

Can someone point me to a guide of how to overclock this system? I've never done it with a duo core or this motherboard....
October 7, 2007 4:33:50 AM

Dx10 is only important if you are using Vista, isn't it?

I'm going to be running Windows XP.... I don't want to drop for the vista OS and it will probably hog a ton of processing power... don't see the benefit, really.

All the newer games will be playable on XP, right?
October 7, 2007 4:59:41 AM

Yeah, but the 8800GTS is still a DX9 behemoth, it can and will smoke Crossfired X1950Pro.
October 7, 2007 5:03:24 AM


Any other comments on this case if anyone has used it? Seems to get good reviews and it looks pretty...

Or if anyone has any recommendations for cases under $100... keeping in mind I really only use a couple drives, I won't be using all the bays... and I only plan on using one video card.
October 7, 2007 5:06:58 AM

Centurion 5 or Centurion 534, the two best cases under $100 in my opinion.
October 7, 2007 6:07:27 AM

Okay Emp is right on with the PSU's, so looks like your making a good decision on the Antec 550w (thank god!). Don't know how many peeps have skimped on the PSU <rant over>. I'm going to give you some links to check out. Overall everything looks good. I would go for the 2900pro 512mb, sorta giving you better gaming power for now and into the future and not too much more.

GPU - $257 shipped. Get it while you can or wait for newer ones next month (I hope).
This Weekend Only! Sapphire ATI Radeon HD2900Pro 512MB 2DVI/VIVO HDCP PCI-Express Video Card, Retail
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-29PRO51
~$70 more than your selection, but would be $100 more after MIR's on x1950 pro.

Case - $70 shipped - $20 MIR = $50! Can hold 2 8800gtx’s!! What a deal, comes w/2 120mm fans too!
COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Mid Tower Case Retail ***Free Shipping***
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
$6 initial savings, but could be $16 savings after MIR's.

Memory - $102 shipped - $52 MIR = $50!! Wow, If you can get the MIR’s what a deal!
OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-15 ATI CrossFire Certified Dual Channel Kit Retail OCZ2P800R22GK
http://clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA4308301
$13 initial savings, but could save you ~$18 after MIR's. Haven't dealt with clubit before, but appears to have alot of people using them.

Memory - $102 shipped - $40 MIR = $62!! Solid performing CAS 4 DDR2
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory – Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$14 initial savings, could save you $5 after MIR's over initial selection.

Minimum PSU for build.
PSU - $75 shipped - $20 MIR = $55! Can run a single 8800gtx system.
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W Active Power Supply Retail ***Free Shipping***
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
This will save you $25 initially, could save you $45 off original PSU, which you could use the extra $ towards the 2900 pro.

HDD - $85 shipped
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive – OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Total savings $11 on WD. Just as good and has perpendicular recording!

Mobo - $137 shipped from Newegg.
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard – Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$130 shipped
http://clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4830711
Total savings if bought from clubit = $7.

Summary,
You could pick any of the above links and save about $80 from your original build. Yes these are just nit picking things, so don't take any offense to your original build. I'm just pointing out that you can get things cheaper from other sources. I've dealt with Newegg, Zipzoomfly, & eWiz (been awhile on eWiz) and haven't had any issues to speak of. Clubit I haven't used, so someone else can chime in here and let us know how they are.
I'm just trying to give you options to research/consider for your build. Your build pretty much looks good, so you can order it without any reservations. I for one would seriously consider the 2900 pro 512mb for good GPU upgrade to your current selection. As you can see, if you use the links I pointed out, you can get it with minimum $ out of pocket from the original build. So there you go, I think I've ranted long enough, hopefully I didn't do it too much.

My 2cp's
October 7, 2007 7:22:55 AM

My 2cents, is hold out for November, and you asked about clock cycles, if I remember correctly it's 5% for every .1 ... So a 2.4 to a 2.6 ghz is 10% faster...Good luck
October 7, 2007 7:53:28 AM

Do you play games like Company Of Heroes as its a RTS? If so then the 8800GTS 320 is a great buy for well under $300, I have seen them for only $279.99 over at NewEgg. This card is a monster and RTS games do eat up a lot of system memory, video card memory to.
October 7, 2007 2:43:01 PM

saintones said:
My 2cents, is hold out for November, and you asked about clock cycles, if I remember correctly it's 5% for every .1 ... So a 2.4 to a 2.6 ghz is 10% faster...Good luck


Not a great idea, we don't know how long the supply for the HD 2900 Pro will last, and for november all that is slated is the 8800GT, which in turn should be a slower card than the Pro or GTS.
October 7, 2007 3:32:43 PM

Since your not a heavy gamer try the e2180 for the cpu. It has the same core as the 6750 but stock speed is 2.0 with 1mb cache. The cache will show zero difference for you. This has been tested again and again. With the 2180 simply go into bios and change the fsb to 300 and it should run with stock vcore. This will give you an overclock of 3.0, then you will beat the 6750 in bencharks for alot less money.
October 7, 2007 3:51:17 PM

I want to play Age of Conan when it comes out... so I think the 8800GTS is a good choice, dx10....

Should I just get Vista right now? I'm a bit confused on how DX10 works and if you need Vista to optimize the graphix and how that works.
October 7, 2007 3:54:51 PM

If you need DX10 you have to have Vista. Get the e2180 cpu and use the extra cash for a 8800GTS.
October 7, 2007 4:07:51 PM

Is Vista 32-bit Home Premium OEM going to be sufficient to run games? I plan on playing Age of Conan for a long time... 32-bit OS is ok ?
October 7, 2007 6:36:05 PM

I'd avoid that CPU Cooler. I've had nothing but trouble with Arctic Cooling CPu coolers...
October 7, 2007 6:42:17 PM

I think I'm gonna try ther artic freezer 7. Its on sale for $20.00. I'm going with the e2180 and anything over 3.5 will put a smile on my face. I want to try to hit 4.0 (400FSBx10). If ir runs hot im going to try and turn the artic freezer into a water cooler artic freezer. I think water going through those pipes would cool very well.

My parts will be here wednesday but i got to wait a week to get a HD and DVDR and a Video Card.
October 8, 2007 4:41:23 AM

jloether said:
Looking at this card....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I only have budget enough for one card... I'm not going to be running SLI... this a good choice?


SLI is better if your LCD is 24 inches or bigger. $259.99 AMIR for a 8800GTS 320MB is a great buy!
October 8, 2007 5:41:48 AM

I hate to bring this back to PSUs, but for the same price as your Antec truepower III, which is also a good PSU, you can get a Silencer® 610 EPS12V Power Supply. $119.99 factory direct more current and single rail. It is tier 1 and the Antec truepower III is a tier 3.

As far as the mobo it appears the DS3R is "ultra durable" which has solid capacitors and better cooling. I'll leave that to you to check out. Gigabyte has a comparison page.

That Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 works flawlessly, I put it into three GA-P35-DQ6 systems and had zero problems.

The WD3200YS 320GB is for raid and has "RAID-specific time limited error recovery", it can be used but it wouldn't be my choice. As for an alternative, contrary to everyones opinion they are all pretty good, except maybe Maxtor. 3.5" Hard Drive Charts | Tom's Hardware will help with a selection. IMO, the most pertinent bench for you would be the Workstation I/O Benchmark Pattern. Unfortunately the HDD charts are in serious need of updating, at least when I last looked.

Don't use that heatsink the connectors are the same as the ones on the stock one, and they suck. Get the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler and match that with the Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Fan
Don't get the Ultra 120 from HS factory because it comes a la carte, back plate separately.

The Ultra 120 is tall but it should fit. Verify the depth of the case to be sure.

Edit: I physically checked a P180 and this cooler fits well, but there is very little clearance. Your case is .3" smaller so it will be very tight. You may want to try to pick one that shows well in this bench. AnandTech: Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme: Is More Better?
Or this is a good choice. Make sure you get the one with a back plate, because I have seen them both ways.
AnandTech: Thermalright Ultima-90: Small Wonder?
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