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October 9, 2007 10:06:15 PM

Hi everyone, after some extensive reading of the overclocking marathon series, along with other sites and even a book, i decided to build my first computer rig for gaming purpose, and i came up with this Rig:


https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5057914&WishListTitle=GamingRigVa

Case: Thermaltake Armor Series VA8003BWS Black Full Tower Case w/ 25CM Fan - Retail

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail

PSU: AeroCool ZERODBA ZERODBA-S620 EPS 12V & ATX 12V 2.02 compliant with Powerful Dual +12V Rails 620W Power Supply 100-120V/200-240V IP,OVP OPP,SCP - Retail

GPU/video card: EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

Ram: Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

Hard Drive:Western Digital Raptor WD360ADFD 36GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler - Retail + Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan - Retail to go with it.

OS: vista or windows XP pro havent decided yet

Now before the questions i have, i should point out that i want a system that i can OC :whistle:  , and upgrade as time and prices drop... for example, in a year or 2 upgrading the CPU to a Quad, adding a 2nd SLI video card, etc.
From what i have read, i should be able to OC this Duo core to about 3ghz with air cooling.

So a few questions:

- can i save money somewhere here? for example, im really not sure about the Case, what made me pick this one is that it seems to have plenty of fans and big enough for upgrades. Also is this mobo ok?

- Can i later stick a water cooling system to this rig as it is? or do i need a water cooling ready mobo for that?

- how does RAID affects gaming performance? and do i need 2 HDD to be able to run RAID?

Any suggestion would be greatly appriciated!! :) 

By the way, if the link didnt work let me know, this is also my first thread here.





October 9, 2007 11:40:15 PM

Nice mobo
Nice Case
CPU if you are looking for quad core later why not just get it now? Q6600 (which will also do 3ghz on air) as in 2 years time youll need to upgrade mainboard to get quad cpu and ram as well... get it now if you ahave the dough
PSU i never even heard of, although specs look ok.
Awesome GPU (hope you have a decent size monitor)
Nice RAM well suited for either processor, suggest 4gb if you are going 64bit OS
Hard drive you will find the 36gb raptor VERY small vista will be lucky to fit. look at 74gb or 150 if a raptor is a must.

- money can be saved on GTX if you dont have a big screen. ie if you have a 17 or 19" get a GTS
- I wouldnt even suggest water cooling at all. that HSF combo is more than enough (case will help also)
- Raid you need at least 2 drives generally a RAID-0 you will see performance increase in load times ie windows booting, games loading.
October 10, 2007 12:39:09 AM

Yeah love the choice of a WD Raptor, very cool, but get the 150GB.

But I would save that for the OS (stick with XP pro) and applications,
and get another drive for data.

As chookman said, you need 2x (identical) hard drives to make a raid.
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October 10, 2007 12:41:02 AM

Quote:
money can be saved on GTX if you dont have a big screen. ie if you have a 17 or 19" get a GTS


--good idea, didnt consider that b4, can save almost $200 right there!! :bounce: 

About the Q6600, aka quad core, will it run just fine with the same mobo above?

Eventually i will get to the 4gb ram on the 64bit OS, i want to see how 2gb fares on either vista or windows 64bit.

The PSU was the one used in the mid-budget overclocking marathon by tom's hardware http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/09/18/sbm_mid_cost_system/page6.html#power_supply_aerocool_zerodba_620w, i just thought that if it can handle OC a quad and video card + ram....it would be nice to have..dunno lol.


October 10, 2007 1:05:55 AM

Also, what would be a nice monitor to go along with the Nvidia GTX from above?
not too expensive if posible :0
October 10, 2007 1:19:36 AM

The processor will run fine with the motherboard

For a monitor.......i would suggest a 22" for the GTX but they can be expensive......I have a dell (Came with other computer $269) but you can probably do better.

If you want to save money on the case you can look at the Antec 900 (about $100).....has very good cooling for overclocking
October 10, 2007 1:32:06 AM

Good option that Antec 900, but is a med-tower, will that be a problem with the not so small air cooling from above? if not, that case looks very sexy indeed...will add to list.
October 10, 2007 1:48:40 AM

I think it should be fine with the cooler..........I know people who used it with the 900

My favorite is the 200mm fan on the top
October 10, 2007 5:28:53 AM

@bfg72
As chookman said, you need 2x (identical) hard drives to make a raid.

I didnt say that you need 2 identical drives... and of course you dont NEED identical drives but its prefered.

Antec 900 is a good option, P182 is also nice but priceyer
20-27" is a good size for GTX although as Silverion77 suggested 22" is nice but costy most places. Samsung, Dell, Benq are awwesome... Acer, Viewsonic, Chemei are cheapies
October 10, 2007 6:14:53 AM

Hate to break it to you, but (per your comment about upgrading) you can't add a second (nVidia) video card to a P35 board...
October 10, 2007 6:50:51 AM

Do stay with the 8800GTX as Crysis recommended spec's are for the graphics card 8800GTS 640MB or better.

Recommended System Requirements
OS - Windows XP / Vista
Processor - Intel Core 2 DUO @ 2.2GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Memory - 2.0 GB RAM
GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar
October 10, 2007 6:53:47 AM

If he's not using a big display, than there isn't really any need to do SLI. I wouldn't SLI/xfire because there overrated and expensive, but that is just my opinion.
October 10, 2007 7:06:31 AM

Oh forgot my suggestions for his build.
CPU - q6600 do it, you won't regret the quad now or later.
Mobo - DS3R minimum, but your DS4 should be fine.
PSU - Not sure on your choice, but if you get Corsair 520w/Antec 550w Neo/Seasonic 610 would be probably good enough too.
Case - $95 w/shipping! Antec 900, use promo code: emc1009case02 at checkout. You can't beat this deal on this good of a case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory - Just get at least 2 gig's of CAS4 DDR2 and you'll be set for awhile. Like any one of these:

$100 shipped - $40 MIR = $60!! Solid performing CAS 4 DDR2
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory – Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$109 shipped - $47 MIR = $62!! Good OC’ing RAM + CAS 4 too.
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory – Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$93 shipped - $35 MIR = $58!! CAS 4 and good RAM, just out of stock %uF04C
GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - stick w/8800gtx if you can. Maybe the savings on the case I linked above will allow you to stay with it.

HD's - I'd get 2 320gb or 500gb Seagate Barracuda's or WD's and stripe them (RAID 0). Raptors are too expensive for the performance you get compared to 2 7200's nowadays.



October 10, 2007 4:01:44 PM

Quote:
Hate to break it to you, but (per your comment about upgrading) you can't add a second (nVidia) video card to a P35 board...


:cry:  so wait.....umm P35 board...ok ok lets see,

-- What kind of board would led me run 2 SLI Nvidia cards?

-- Is there a real advantage of running 2 cards, when people say i need a big display to take advantage of the 2 cards, how big we talking? 22" +?

And i thought i was starting to understand it all :pfff: 

O btw nice info about the ram!! already replaced for the Corsair.
October 10, 2007 6:57:11 PM

A Nvidia 680i motherboard lets you run SLI.....

2 cards is good for a large screen 30"+

I have a 22"....and will never ever go smaller ever again
October 10, 2007 7:51:35 PM

Get an eVGA 680 A1 motherboard and a single 8800 GTX. You will then be able to add a second 8800 GTX later when you need it and it's cheaper.

Two 8800 GTX cards are useful at 24" (1920x1200) or higher. I wouldn't bother for 22" (1680x1050) or lower.

Edit: also, to be able to add a second 8800 GTX, you need a serious PSU. Here's a great one:

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad Power Supply ( Crossfire Edition)
http://www.pcpower.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=S75CF

(Don't mind that it's called Crossfire, it just means it has 4 PCI-E connectors. You need that for 8800 GTX SLI because each 8800 GTX takes two connectors).
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