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October 16, 2007 9:11:47 PM

Here is my system;
-PA1 MVP ATI Radeon Xpress 200 CrossFire ECS ELITEGROUP extreme mobo
- Intel Pentium D Processor 940/3.20 MHz FSB
- 2G memory (667)
-RAIDMAX Scorpio ATX-868WUP Blue Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply
- Windows XP

Was told that I should upgrade my PSU; going to upgrading my graphics card to an x1950pro, or ATI 2950, or 8600GTS, might crossfire depending on the price, but still waiting to see what happens when the 2950 comes out. I have been looking at 600W PSU, was thinking of a Rosewill. Mostly all the reviews on newegg were ok, but most from the forums said don’t get a Rosewill. Really I have no idea what is a good PSU, all I know is I should get one. Any suggestions on a good 600W PSU would be appreciated, would like to keep it under $80 not including S&H. Thanks for the help.

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October 16, 2007 9:26:04 PM

id reccomend the OCZ stealthxstream 600w or the gamestream 600 watt. that or go with a cosair
October 16, 2007 9:46:47 PM

look at the-

Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU ATX 12V 2.0 500W

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 470 ATX ATX12V Ver 2.2 470W - sick deal on newegg, PCP&C for only $75

honestly, i couldn't believe when i saw the pcp&c at only $75, not only that, the 610 is at $130, which is also a sick deal. Get the pcp&c, it will easily handle your computer and is incredibly high quality
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October 16, 2007 9:53:42 PM

The 470w PCP&C would be a good deal for $75.

This is very similar to the 450w Corsair reviewed all over the place as being able to handle any single GPU system.

Don't think of this as only a small wattage upgarde.
High Quality PSUs with minimal wattage actually can safely deliver more power than many units rated higher but from lesser manufacturers.
October 16, 2007 9:59:27 PM

So the PC Power & Cooling Silencer 470 ATX ATX12V Ver 2.2 470W, for only $75, would be a better choice then the OCZ stealthxstream 600w for 79.99 after rebate. A 470W would be able to handle a crossfire setup?
October 16, 2007 10:22:01 PM

Let it be known that all those PSU's are all well and good for your current system. But if you looking at Crossfire later on youll have to upgrade your PSU again to cope. Most cost again for your Crossfire upgrade. Id suggest thinking a bit more about multi-gpu and if you actually need/want it if the answer is yes get something bigger. The PCPC 750W will do it but is substantialy more than other suggested solutions.
October 16, 2007 10:29:18 PM

RAIDMAX
October 17, 2007 1:53:29 AM

If I were you, I would do some homework first. Can't hurt to learn a bit more about these PSUs. Y'know? Google can help you find a plethora of good information concerning PSUs.

Edit: OMG!! Read the FAQ!! Lots of good info there!! Don't even have to google anything!
October 17, 2007 2:08:02 AM

Corsair HX620 if you plan on HD 29*0 series crossfire. Otherwise a PCP&C 470W or Corsair VX450W would be good choices.
October 18, 2007 5:45:07 AM

Thank you for the help. Going to save up an get the PCPC 750w or the Corsair HX620, seem like a better idea. Thanks again for the help.
a b ) Power supply
October 18, 2007 6:10:24 AM

boner said:
RAIDMAX


You gotta be joking. They are more or less crap.
October 18, 2007 12:26:44 PM

Fortron ...for example the blue storm series.

The radio amatuer guys says it solid and those people know what they are doing...bad stuff messes up their equipment.

And the blue storm is a heavy sob which is kinda quality in my book...
October 18, 2007 1:31:52 PM

I like my 600W OCZ gamestream.
October 18, 2007 1:42:00 PM

If you're going Crossfire in the future and plan on overclocking get the 750W Silencer. Why? Yes you can get the 610w, and probably run Crossfire on it, for $130 but you will be pushing it hard and will have little or no room for growth. If you choose some more advanced cooling down the road as well as a few more dirves etc. you'll have to dump the 610 (loss of $130) and get the 750 (spend $180 anyways). So buy for thr future and you won't have to factor in a new PSU for your new upgrade.
a b ) Power supply
October 18, 2007 2:26:59 PM

merc14 said:
If you're going Crossfire in the future and plan on overclocking get the 750W Silencer. Why? Yes you can get the 610w, and probably run Crossfire on it, for $130 but you will be pushing it hard and will have little or no room for growth. If you choose some more advanced cooling down the road as well as a few more dirves etc. you'll have to dump the 610 (loss of $130) and get the 750 (spend $180 anyways). So buy for thr future and you won't have to factor in a new PSU for your new upgrade.


Agreed. Just make sure you get the "Crossfire" version, i.e. with 4 PCI-E connectors. It works for SLI too, and two 8800 GTX cards will need those 4 connectors.
October 18, 2007 5:03:03 PM

I don't think you need the 750W PC P and C Silencer, i think the 610W Silencer would handle your system plus Crossfire easily. There's 49A on a single 12V rail that's 588W where it's needed on modern gaming PC's.

But by all means by the 750W if you can afford to.
a b ) Power supply
October 18, 2007 7:02:19 PM

I think the 6/8 pin is nicer because it will support both 8800 GTX cards (6 pin) and 2900XT cards (8 pin).

TBH I'm having second thoughts here. $180 PSU + 8600 GTS sounds dumb, I'd much rather prefer $100 PSU + 8800 GTS 320 MB for example and it's very close in price. Maybe you should get this 520HX instead, for $110, and upgrade the video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001&Tpk=520HX
October 18, 2007 8:36:07 PM

I think the 6/8 pin is nicer because it will support both 8800 GTX cards (6 pin) and 2900XT cards (8 pin).

TBH I'm having second thoughts here. $180 PSU + 8600 GTS sounds dumb, I'd much rather prefer $100 PSU + 8800 GTS 320 MB for example and it's very close in price. Maybe you should get this 520HX instead, for $110, and upgrade the video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] &Tpk=520HX



That's a much better idea.
October 18, 2007 8:59:44 PM

Enermax... You'll never look back. My noisetaker just won't quit. It's good to go for everything.
October 19, 2007 12:43:18 PM

rogerdandy said:
Enermax... You'll never look back. My noisetaker just won't quit. It's good to go for everything.



Noisetakers are not good in general.

However the Infiniti and Galaxy line are.
October 19, 2007 2:30:01 PM

Quote:
Your going to get a different answer from everyone here. PSU fanboys are everywhere on this forum.
I cant understand why the two most recommended psu's are from companies that make memory. I mean cmon, I wouldnt buy a corsair or a OCZ, theres obviously some 3rd party company building them and putting their names on them. I mean if you know who's manufacturing them then go for it, but if your paying for a overpriced, rebadged raidmax then forget it, your getting ripped.
Check out zipzoomfly.com, they have free shipping on all psu's and they have lots of rebates.




I think you'll find the people recommending Corsair's and PC POWER AND COOLING know EXACTLY who makes those PSU's - It's Seasonic, and the build quality is fantastic.

There's a reason these brands of PSU have fantastic reputations and it's because both are very very well made using superior components - PCP and C have been the market leader for a number of years - that's not an accident

As for OCZ, they are very popular because they have nice blue lights on and are quite well priced, the build quality, stability and ripple are pretty good though not up to Seasonic built PSU's.They get recommended so often because they sell by the truckload and are pretty good PSU's.


You're being unfair to people who are in general offering good advice, and recommending mostly good/very good PSU's.
a b ) Power supply
October 19, 2007 2:36:58 PM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Not just PSU fanboys, there are fanboys for every little computer part.

Corsair's PSUs (at least the 520HX and 620HX, which I really like) are made by Seasonic. I think that's safe.





a b ) Power supply
October 19, 2007 2:50:50 PM

Isn't the 8700 series a laptop card???

The PSU you linked has 70% efficiency. A PC P&C at 85% would convert 15% of the electricity into heat, instead of 30%. That is, you get half the heat. Plus lower electricity bills - let's say 10 cents less every day, it adds up. You end up saving money over a year or two or three. See, some times it makes sense to get a more expensive PSU.
a b ) Power supply
October 19, 2007 3:01:40 PM

Quote:
Im not being unfair, simply offered my opinion. I also said if you know who makes them and there a good company then go for it. I was unaware corsairs was made by seasonic. I also didnt say anything about pcpc, I know they are superior, but the price is riduculous.
I do good with the coolermaster exteme powers 600+ psu's. The Real power pro is the best but the extreme powers are nice for the price. Ive used many of them and like them a lot. They are well built, solid and relatively cheap too about $50 after rebate and zipzoomfly has rebates on them every other month. I currently use this one in my C2D system. Ive got plenty of room to upgrade to my next card, the 8700GTS. :D 

These are great budget sli certified psu's w/36a on the rails.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Newegg wants $89.99 and $8 shipping!

And if you get the CORSAIR 450w version, you'll have 33amps on the 12v rail, plus it's cheaper than the one your quoting. The other bonus is that the Corsair is made by Seasonic, can't go wrong there either. The point is that alot of people on this site know their QUALITY PSU's, not everyone, but alot do.

Corsair 450w review
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=125

$84 shipped! $74 with Google checkout.
Corsair VX 450w Power Supply - CMPSU-450VX
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-450w-power-supply/q/...
a c 243 ) Power supply
October 19, 2007 3:10:53 PM

Quote:


These are great budget sli certified psu's w/36a on the rails.



Just a question, How can you tell what is actually available to the +12v rails ?
I know someone who just got the 500w model of this psu and is hoping to power his X2 3800+, single HD and single OD with an 8800 GTS.
According to the label there are 2 +12v rails at 16a each, do they label it according to what is available or it's max before failure ?
a b ) Power supply
October 19, 2007 4:19:43 PM

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2 @ 16a is 32 amps available.

No this isn't always the case. You have to look at the sticker more closely. If you look at this link below, it has a PSU at 2 @ 19A, but only equates to 35A max, so your statement doesn't always hold true.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=1...
a c 243 ) Power supply
October 19, 2007 4:53:03 PM

lunyone said:
No this isn't always the case. You have to look at the sticker more closely. If you look at this link below, it has a PSU at 2 @ 19A, but only equates to 35A max, so your statement doesn't always hold true.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=1...


This is something I am aware of, and the reason for my question. It's possible that the rails are labeled as to actual output, or the 16amp marking could just be each rails fail point.
October 19, 2007 4:56:32 PM

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2 @ 16a is 32 amps available.




That's incorrect, a common mistake, what you have done is added the two rails together. What the PSU has is 2 12V rails that will give a max of 16A each.

The actual amperage on the 12V rails is calculated by dividing the toeal WATTAGE the PSU offers on the 12V rail, then dividing that by 12.

Here's an example.

http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/ToughPower/W01...


Notice how the total 12v amperage adds up to 112A, yet, it's only rated to give 82A total across the 12V rails at any one time?

82x12 = 984

That adds up to 984 Watts total, that's what that PSU can give out on the 12V rails.

To give 112A on the 12V rails it would need to to deliver 1344 Watts in total. Even the 1200W model cannot deliver that, that delivers 99A total load on the 12CV rials or 1188 Watts total.

Hope that helps.

Also you can factor in headroom, and allow for some degradation of the PSU over time.

October 19, 2007 5:05:04 PM

This is why not all 600W PSU's are made equal.

You have to check specs.

You get what you pay for with PSU's.
October 19, 2007 5:26:08 PM

"m not being unfair, simply offered my opinion. I also said if you know who makes them and there a good company then go for it. I was unaware corsairs was made by seasonic. I also didnt say anything about pcpc, I know they are superior, but the price is riduculous.
I do good with the coolermaster exteme powers 600+ psu's. The Real power pro is the best but the extreme powers are nice for the price. Ive used many of them and like them a lot. They are well built, solid and relatively cheap too about $50 after rebate and zipzoomfly has rebates on them every other month. I currently use this one in my C2D system. Ive got plenty of room to upgrade to my next card, the 8700GTS. :D 

These are great budget sli certified psu's w/36a on the rails.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=371925

Newegg wants $89.99 and $8 shipping!"




I don't know much about that PSU, (who makes them?) i don't doubt it it would SLI two lower end cards, it would not SLi 8800 series or 2900 however.

What is an 8700GTS?


The price of PSU's depends on where you are, and how prepared you are to shop around, in the UK we can get PCPandC cheaper than OCZ, Corsair, Antec, TT, Silverstone, Seasonic all the top major brands.

But then again, i'm prepared to try every possible e-tailor there is who stock what i want....




a c 243 ) Power supply
October 19, 2007 5:52:47 PM

Malazan said:



I don't know much about that PSU, (who makes them?) i don't doubt it it would SLI two lower end cards, it would not SLi 8800 series or 2900 however.



According to the E code on the label of the 500 watt unit, it is made by Seventeam, other codes on the same brand show Hipro, Acbel and Enhance as the oem's.
October 19, 2007 5:55:55 PM

delluser1 said:
According to the E code on the label of the 500 watt unit, it is made by Seventeam, other codes on the same brand show Hipro, Acbel and Enhance as the oem's.




Seventeam have a good reputation, and enhance a reasonable one, i don't know about the other two though.
October 19, 2007 7:52:57 PM

Quote:
Your going to get a different answer from everyone here. PSU fanboys are everywhere on this forum.
I cant understand why the two most recommended psu's are from companies that make memory. I mean cmon, I wouldnt buy a corsair or a OCZ, theres obviously some 3rd party company building them and putting their names on them. I mean if you know who's manufacturing them then go for it, but if your paying for a overpriced, rebadged raidmax then forget it, your getting ripped.
Check out zipzoomfly.com, they have free shipping on all psu's and they have lots of rebates.
Quote:
Im not being unfair, simply offered my opinion. I also said if you know who makes them and there a good company then go for it. I was unaware corsairs was made by seasonic. I also didnt say anything about pcpc, I know they are superior, but the price is riduculous.
I do good with the coolermaster exteme powers 600+ psu's. The Real power pro is the best but the extreme powers are nice for the price. Ive used many of them and like them a lot. They are well built, solid and relatively cheap too about $50 after rebate and zipzoomfly has rebates on them every other month. I currently use this one in my C2D system. Ive got plenty of room to upgrade to my next card, the 8700GTS. :D 

These are great budget sli certified psu's w/36a on the rails.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Newegg wants $89.99 and $8 shipping!
You are hilarious. first you bytch about the fan boys, and then realize your completely wrong about the fact that the posters know about what they are posting, and obviously you don't. :lol: 

Then you proceed to recommend a Cooler Master that is at best a tier 4 and at worst a tier 5 "Not Recommended" PSU. Official XS Tiered PSU Manufacturer Brand Listing Phase III
Good job in recommending a quality budget PSU. :pfff:  By the way do you think that Cooler Master manufacture their own PSUs? I think not. The PC P&C Silencer 610 is only $119.00 company direct and that is not ridiculously overpriced.

Then you spread misinformation about adding the rails together to come up with the total amperage on the 12V rails, when this is almost never the case. :pt1cable: 

Why don't you impart some more of your wisdom to the uneducated fanbois. [:zorg]
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