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October 10, 2007 8:47:22 PM

anyways its been since..like Summer of 06 since i've been saving for a new high-end rig and im pretty much going to get an 8800GTX SLI Rig.. The final cost at this moment is 2.6k after rebates yet before shipping.

Anyways i would like to get some other peoples opinion im probably not going to buy anything till about the 1st week of November so that i can get it stable and running for Crysis (mainly ;)  ), and i also would like to get away with using this rig for a good 3 years before i had to do any major upgrades.

*** Note I'm going to use the same CD Drives and Case (Thermaltake Xaser III SuperTower)

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=7472907&WishListTitle=SLI+Rig

So give me your opinions especially if they can save me some money ;) 

OH yea i will be running Vista 64..yes i know about all the problems and yadda yadda im going to running Vista 64...or 32 if it doesn't work out (I have a copy already)


oh 1 last thing i may go with EVGA 8800s and just eat the extra what is it now..like 35-45 bucks newegg is charging more for just for the Step up if in fact the 9800s or what ever come out like in Jan/Feb but i may just say screw it and stick with the MSI

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October 11, 2007 1:24:08 AM

mm oh its USD..ill look into the ram and see what people say about it..(To be honest i was either going to with that or the G.Skill)
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October 11, 2007 1:43:23 AM

You are spending more on your PSU than your CPU ?!
October 11, 2007 1:56:43 AM

I went for the G.skill memory myself. Timing adds almost no difference.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Quad is useless in games so far. Nothing faster then this cpu so far:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Maybe the E6750 if trying to save a little money.
Power supply seems to be far overpriced:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you really want modular cables (and has better reviews):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Why not the 22" instead of the 20" for not much more?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 11, 2007 2:15:58 AM

computerte: why spend money on a dual core when the future is quad?...Even if most apps don't benefit from quad core the future is heading towards multithreaded applications...Buying a dualcore when you have this high of a budget is a waste..

fatfunkey: Good choice on everything..stay with the quad...Just take that sucker and OC it. This is though if you are planning to OC..If you aren't you might benefit from a faster clocked dual core. Although I would get quad core regardless...

Regarding the heatsink. Get the thermalright ultra 120 extreme as linked before. Or get a Tuniq Tower 120 which performs similarly. If you get the 120 extreme you'll have to buy a fan for it. The 107 CFM fan linked in previous posts would do the job although it is quite loud. You might want to nab a Scythe S-flex fan...here's the highest CFM version with a 28 DBA rating..there middle ranged model pushes around 47 CFM's with 21 DBA. choice is yours if you want a quiet or extremely well cooled pc. If noise isn't a problem the higher CFM the better..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also if you're worried about the size of these suckers since they are huge...Look into the Thermalright Ultima 90 (NOT THE ULTRA 90!). It is basically a mini verison that has clips for a 90mm fan and a 120 mm fan as well. It cools extremely well for its size and is less of a hassle to install. Choice is yours..

I'd suggest staying away from the MSI Graphics cards and nab either a EVGA or XFX model. Atleast just incase if nvidia makes a surprise launch with the 9800 you can step up....Or the XFX with it's double life time guarantee..as well as transferable warranty lets you pop it up on ebay and sell it with a lifetime warranty as well....Overall it's a smarter buy.

You could get by with a cheaper psu...But the one you chose is a Tier 1 that also has two PCI-E 8 pin connectors which is great for future use. Good choice although pricey. You could save some money by going with the crucial Ballistix modules instead of the Gskill..They use D9 microns too...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Besides that everything else looks good.
October 11, 2007 2:30:59 AM

If you are going to do SLI, wait until they have it for the new PCIe 2.0 slots, the intel x38 chipset allows for both cards to be running at 16x, unlike the earlier ones that have it capped at 8x
October 11, 2007 3:27:36 AM

Is 8800 GTX SLI really necessary at 1680x1050 ??? I'm going to assume that you will buy a 24" monitor or bigger, with 1920x1200 or more, so that SLI makes sense.

For the PSU: I'd get the PC Power & Cooling 750W Crossfire Edition:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011&Tpk=Silencer%2bCrossfire
It's $120 cheaper than the PSU you picked, it's also top quality, and it has the 4 PCI-E connectors and the amps to handle two 8800 GTX cards.

Motherboard: generally aBit is not bad at all. Check out the eVGA 680i A1 too, then decide.

Get the Q6600. Anything else is either overpriced or a bad idea long-term. Short term, an E6750 sounds brilliant because it's cheaper and faster in games than the Q6600, but that won't last much longer.

October 11, 2007 3:52:39 AM

eternallydead said:
If you are going to do SLI, wait until they have it for the new PCIe 2.0 slots, the intel x38 chipset allows for both cards to be running at 16x, unlike the earlier ones that have it capped at 8x


SLI is not available on X38 - will only run on Nvidia chipsets...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/09/26/intel_x38_chipse...

"Currently, only AMD/ATI can take advantage of dual-card operation on X38-based boards. Support for Nvidia's SLI technology will only be included in the upcoming dual-socket "Skulltrail" platform, Intel's answer to AMD's QuadFX (4x4). Just to be clear: there will be no support for Nvidia's SLI on the X38 platform ... for now."
October 11, 2007 5:22:51 AM

alright, im gonna look into other heatsinks (want to hit 3.0ghz on Air..shooting low in case its a B0 Stepping,..and hey a 3.0ghz Quad Core for $279 isn't bad ;P) and maybe choose the Crucial ram as for the PSU i'd rather spend the extra on a PSU then buy a sub-par PSU that craps out and takes out a 2.5k System, Since im probably gonna go for the Crucial and now the Silverstone i'm probably then spend the saved on a 22'-24' LCD ;P (i want to stay at 2.5k-2.7k max)

as for only running at 1680x1050 (maybe higher ;)  ) the purpose is to mainly keep it running in high end games on High with a decent amount filtration for 3years (hopefully) without a major upgrade, im gonna ponder and wait till probably the 1st or 2nd week of November to see if ATI or Nvida pulls a trick out of there sleeve with releasing a Flagship (for some reason i just have a feeling) ...and if not im freaking tired of waiting dammit xD LOL..calling yourself a computer gamer and running off of a Go 7600 for a year isn't fun T-T


* after looking the PSU over im probably going to go with a SILVERSTONE SST-ST75ZF. still a Teir 1 PSU and about 1/2 cheaper lol (I orignaly had the galaxy chosen for a HD2900XT Crossfire rig and didnt change it to a lower wattage model)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256006

Thanks for your all your input, if you have anymore im open to it :D 


*edit 2- with the new PSU and Crucial ram after rebates its about 2.4k USD (beore shipping and i want to stay at a 2.5-2.6k MAX not including shipping) ...so im probably gonna pull the trigger soon (all the rebates expire at the end of the month..and mind you its roughly $200 dollars in MIR ;D) probably get a better Monitor if some 1 can recommend a 22-24' or change the from MSI to Evga for step up just in case dunno :p  got to think D:

...and changed the Cooler to Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme with a Scythe fan
October 11, 2007 12:28:56 PM

Don't worry about fan noise cuz:

a) bios lets you change fan speed

&

b) the silverstone comes with a speed control knob.

I WAS a scythe fan user. Keyword: was. I use a Thermaltake 4-fan controller for my deltas (deafening).
October 11, 2007 2:02:57 PM

akhilles said:
Don't worry about fan noise cuz:

a) bios lets you change fan speed

&

b) the silverstone comes with a speed control knob.

I WAS a scythe fan user. Keyword: was. I use a Thermaltake 4-fan controller for my deltas (deafening).


I don't understand. Scythe fans are very quiet, I've got 4 myself and can't hear them. Delta fans on the other hand are "incredibly loud" according to newegg reviews. Do the Delta fans have some huge advantage that makes up for it?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835705013

October 11, 2007 2:33:52 PM

I wouldn't expect to have a 8800GTX for 3 years assuming they are not DX10.1, and the new cards are. And 2 GTX in SLi for playing @ 1680 is overkill IMO.
October 11, 2007 10:03:19 PM

Yes, wouldn't it make sense to buy only one of the 8800s now and wait until you start having performance issues to look into buying a second one?
October 11, 2007 10:59:54 PM

Kamrooz said:
computerte: why spend money on a dual core when the future is quad?...Even if most apps don't benefit from quad core the future is heading towards multithreaded applications...Buying a dualcore when you have this high of a budget is a waste..


Why spend more money that will not be used until there a HUGE price drop on it? (the time the OTHER quads come out). Crysis and Unreal 3 might be able to use quad, but about nothing else does.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/08/parallel_process...
Buying a SLOWER cpu and soon to be OUTDATED = not a good idea. Get the faster dual and upgrade to the newer quad when you need it. Future might be quad, but NOT the ones out right now, just the FUTURE ones.

Think of it this way:
cpu (like a E6600) = 2,232 floating point MIPS per CPU - 4,660 integer MIPS per CPU
Video (8800 gtx) = 35,000 MIPS

Who would be the far faster at processing? Gaming will probably go with multi gpus not really quad cpus for the future.
October 12, 2007 1:42:00 AM

Why not just buy one GTX and OC it, spend the extra $500 on a Faster quad core. I would worry about rebaits, there will be more deals out there. I think if the new procs that are coming out within the next month or two blow away all of your options now, you'll be kicking yourself wishing you just waited a little longer.

October 12, 2007 2:20:58 AM

Why not get 24" WS monitor to run t 1920x1xxx(forgot what it is) with that rig?
October 12, 2007 11:19:01 AM

Two things... You know a lot of newer and better stuff is coming and it will only be better. It will bump the prices around as well so that gives you even more options. Also the proc, because of price is one of the last things you want to upgrade later. Spend the money on the best proc you can get (wait if you can) and get one of the best video cards. Then later you can always add another card. When you add the second card it will probably be cheaper by then.

Another thought. Isn't there an article somewhere about powering a similar rig with one vid card with a 380 psu ? I wouldn't go as low as 380 but I think money can be saved and better spent.
October 12, 2007 12:45:00 PM

If your going to get a 22" LCD then you don't need two 8800 GTX's at 1680x1050, but if your going 24" then get two 8800 GTX. Crysis will be hard on most systems even ones with one 8800 GTX, no one knows how well SLI will scale with Crysis.

I know that with so many opinions its hard sometimes to make up your mind, so go with your gut on this one. Either way your system will be a monster. Good luck on your new build!
October 14, 2007 2:10:37 AM

cah027 said:
Another option to throw your way ;) 

Extreme Edition X6800 2.93GHz for $399

http://www.stalliontek.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCo...


Don't listen to this guy he doesn't know what he is talking about. :heink:  $399.99 for an X6800 at 2.93GHz or an E6850 for $279.99 at 3.0GHz, I think most of us know where the better value is the E6850.
October 15, 2007 4:25:40 PM

well i flipped a coin and im gonna wait and see how ATI's RV670 looks (Since it sounds like a little more then just a revision of the flawed HD2900XT) and Abits X38 motherboard; which came out today (or so they say) for more future proof system :p .

as for going and getting a 3.0ghz dual core..why? you can easily overclock the Q6600 to 3.0ghz eve if its B0 stepping...yes most games now don't support all 4 cores but for the most part every game thats coming out is Quad Core Capable..so i really don't see why you would go get a dual core now since you can get a really good quad for $270 bucks.

oh yea and i still think Nvida has something up its sleeve as for the highend cards..you don't come out with a new chipset and not a new high end video card ;p. i dunno just a funny feeling i have...
October 16, 2007 12:19:46 PM

Don't listen to this guy he doesn't know what he is talking about. $399.99 for an X6800 at 2.93GHz or an E6850 for $279.99 at 3.0GHz, I think most of us know where the better value is the E6850.

yes the better value is in the E6850. however there is something to be said about the x6800 it has an unlocked multiplier. but the E6850 has the G0 stepping so its still prolly a better overclocker. but if you wanted to go with cheaper ram. you could just increase the multi and get a higher OC with cheap memory. with the x6800, but the x6800 is old now.
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