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October 29, 2007 10:33:54 AM

Not to be outdone by today's Nvidia 8800GT launch, AMD spoke with us about the two ATI HD 3800 series graphics processors it will announced on November 15th.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/29/amd_hd_3800_to_support_dx_10/index.html

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October 29, 2007 10:49:54 AM

huh this is not interesting what then will be next 4900???
they better've done 2950 HD
October 29, 2007 11:36:53 AM

DX 10.1 sounds pretty awesome. I especially like the standardization of the antialiasing. I wonder how long it will take games like Crysis, Bioshock and UT3 to offer patches once the new standard is out?
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October 29, 2007 12:08:45 PM

The Multi-Core sounds very interesting.
Especially if they can shut down 3 out of 4 cores when not gaming.
This would make it real nice for those who only game occassionally.
October 29, 2007 12:37:57 PM

prolfe said:
DX 10.1 sounds pretty awesome. I especially like the standardization of the antialiasing. I wonder how long it will take games like Crysis, Bioshock and UT3 to offer patches once the new standard is out?
There is no way Bioshock or UT3 will receive a patch for Direct X10.1 and Crytek has specifically said they have no intention of supporting it.
October 29, 2007 6:06:06 PM

:pt1cable: 
254 new PC game titles are expected this fall, right and i have some ocean front property to sell you in the Nevada desert.

There are not half that amount in my software release book we sell software sound like they wrote 1 to 255 on a bunch of papers and pulled them from a hat lol.

Same goes for ps3 games they said there would be a flood released this fall seems more like a leaky faucet.


October 29, 2007 8:51:09 PM

A twist from the notorious insult to people who bought Radeon 2XXX cards: I'm so sorry to see people buying Geforce 8800 GTS cards so early in the game...............SUCKA! LOL.
October 29, 2007 9:16:36 PM

Did you not know that Antivirus software is really just a game. If you include all the 2008 editions coming out at the moment 254 games sounds about right. LOL.
October 29, 2007 9:42:31 PM

zenmaster said:
The Multi-Core sounds very interesting.
Especially if they can shut down 3 out of 4 cores when not gaming.
This would make it real nice for those who only game occassionally.


You know anything else about the multi-core? I guess this means the 3800 is not multi-die.
Link please!
October 29, 2007 9:55:14 PM

DX10.1 seems about the only good thing here.
October 29, 2007 9:58:17 PM

prolfe said:
DX 10.1 sounds pretty awesome. I especially like the standardization of the antialiasing. I wonder how long it will take games like Crysis, Bioshock and UT3 to offer patches once the new standard is out?

nah mostly it'll be new games that utilize 10.1 not patched up stuff
October 29, 2007 10:15:18 PM

Darren Polkowski:

I stated that AMD had hardware that was more forward-looking than Nvidia's G80 technology. I still feel that way after looking at the latest information we obtained from AMD about RV670. said:
Darren Polkowski:

I stated that AMD had hardware that was more forward-looking than Nvidia's G80 technology. I still feel that way after looking at the latest information we obtained from AMD about RV670.



More forward thinking? Forward has come and gone; waiting on the future promises from DAMMIT is getting old. For the past year forward looking was DX10 and more so Crysis. Forward came and we already know how the ATI cards stack up. Don't take my word for it though, the market has already decided.

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X-bit Labs

Nvidia Continues to Gain Graphics Market Share, AMD Keeps on Downfall – JPR.


http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20071029062106.html

My point isn't simply to bash them but this sounds like the promises leading up to the 2900. That story doesn't need to be retold we all know it. The bigger problem is that ATI is in less of a position to influence developers and and see their unique features being utilized. This is the same old story we've had for the past year with both GPU's and CPU's about some great new thing coming from DAMMIT. Generally the enthusiast community has moved on but I feel bad for the few who continue to buy into the waiting game and believe stuff like this:

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You can be assured that tighter standards and cube maps with global illumination is a feature that will be the norm regardless of what marketing and PR you get from either graphic camp. D3D 10.1 is around the corner and AMD will be the first to launch hardware that is compliant with this new specification. When Vista service pack 1 rolls out will you be ready for the games that support DX 10.1 or not?


Name me one example of a game coming to market where the above statement applies.
I know my comments all sound anti ATI but it is more out of frustration in watching them piss away the position they've held.
October 29, 2007 10:19:25 PM

Heyyou27 said:
There is no way Bioshock or UT3 will receive a patch for Direct X10.1 and Crytek has specifically said they have no intention of supporting it.


Do you have that quote?

Actually I don't think he said they had no intention of supporting it, it just wasn't currently in the game. And this reply came after the discussion of future friendly features not yet exposed. But from everything I've read sofar he wasn't so blunt to say they had no intention of supporting it, that would imply they will never patch it, which is strange for a company that brought out 3 patches to add features to FarCry (SM3.0, SM2.0b geometry instancing, HDR+FSAA).

I would say it won't be anything soon, but I wouldn't say it won't be a future option they would end up supporting.
October 29, 2007 10:23:34 PM

that_aznpride101 said:
A twist from the notorious insult to people who bought Radeon 2XXX cards: I'm so sorry to see people buying Geforce 8800 GTS cards so early in the game...............SUCKA! LOL.


Why would you feel sorry for them? They got a damn fine card that outlasted a competitors release. If you bought it last week, probably not wise, if you bought it when they launched they were great cards, and were good purchase up til about 2 months ago when we first learned of these two options from Green and also Green.

There's always going to be something better, butthe question is how soon and can you make the most of what you buy. It's not like either of these card make the GF8800GTS obsolete, just no longer the same value ratio.
October 30, 2007 1:28:53 AM

There are very few dx 10 only games so you think there will be alot of dx 10.1 games? 8800gts is still a good card. will probably last another year or two. Dx 10 wont be fully utilized for a while.
October 30, 2007 1:59:22 AM

man they were revieing the 8800gt in 1600 by 1200 i only game at 1200 by 1000 that card is probably so badass as at 1400 also...
October 30, 2007 2:14:38 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Why would you feel sorry for them? They got a damn fine card that outlasted a competitors release. If you bought it last week, probably not wise, if you bought it when they launched they were great cards, and were good purchase up til about 2 months ago when we first learned of these two options from Green and also Green.

There's always going to be something better, butthe question is how soon and can you make the most of what you buy. It's not like either of these card make the GF8800GTS obsolete, just no longer the same value ratio.

Exactly, and I bet he will say "suckas" to those who buy an 8800GT now and find that the 9800GTX is better. Well.... duh, it's newer and it came out later :sleep: 
October 30, 2007 2:20:45 AM

so whats better than anti-aliasing as standard in dx 10.1?
iam planing stick with XP until Vista is more....optimised, is the 8800gt or does 3800 thats better / faster + does it lables XT or PRO?
October 30, 2007 2:52:46 AM

I'd rather they not have AA as standard and have higher framerates as standard instead.
October 30, 2007 3:42:54 AM

SO whats wrong with a level playing field when it comes to AA.this was one of the things that Microsoft was talking about that would be one of the great things about Vista at first release.Now its a .1 of directX 10.Before AMD bought ATI ,ATI was talking about that very same playing field along with using a 3rd card for physics.Now this is my take,Microsoft wanted to get its lame duck Vista out the door because it was taking so long and figure just patch it later.Nvidia just cant do 10.1 just yet and still working on it ,TYIMTBP (the way its ment to be played) is bs and we all lose from this.I don't think the 3800 will beat the 8800gt one on one but with four,I think it will fall between the tri SLI gtx and Ultra at a better price point
October 30, 2007 6:43:50 PM

Did anyone actually look at the benchmarks for the 8800GT? or the test set-up? Nvidia cards suck in Vista with DX10 games. The 8800 line of cards performed excellently in DX9...in WinXp. They beefed up the performance in the graphics standard on it's way out, and added token support for DX10 just to be able to say they have the fastest DX10 card out....as long as you don't try to use it in vista..with DX10 games...or anything in vista if you want to run SLI cause they can't seem to get that working.

The 2900xt took #1 in World in conflict over the GTX
#2 in UT3 behind the GTX by only 8-13FPS
#3 in crysis behind the GTX and GT in which there is 2-8fps difference between the GTX and 2900, and 2-5fps between the GT and 2900, though the 2900 still does 15.4fps compared to the GT's 6.5..The GTX had a proud lead with 18fps...really justifies the extra $250.

The 2900xt plays crysis perfectly fine in 1280x1024 with everythin very high and 4xAA in DX10, haven't seen it dip below 30fps. But hey why would nvidia want to benchmark a DX10 game, on their new DX10 card...in DX10.

The 8800GT has a 256 mem bus width and memory bandwidth of 57.6 GB/s compared with the 8800GTS 320 which has 320 mem bus width and dus 64GB/s bandwidth. Aside from that the 8800GT is faster in every other area as well as having a 65nm core compared with the 8800gts' 90nm and the 2900xt's 80nm. But the GTS still wins out in most area's...

But then ATI is coming out with it's DX10.1 card in 2 weeks, which boasts a 55nm core. ATI has already taken away nvidia's DX9 "untouchable" lead. Nvidia never had anything good to say about DX10 performance..which is why they won't bench anything that supports it..where as ATI exceled in DX10.

The only people that complain about Vista are people that use an intel cpu and nvidia gpu. They didn't want to make progress...they want to capitilize on old crap that's been polished up. Which is why microsoft worked with AMD to ensure their cpu's were optimized for vista...gee, i wonder if any of that partnership benfited ATI...oh wait that's still AMD.
October 30, 2007 8:52:20 PM

Typical. AMD's competitors launch a new item, and AMD counters with a press release. When will AMD finally get on schedule? This is a vicious cycle.
October 30, 2007 9:59:21 PM

Their release dates are 2 weeks apart, and that's not 'on schedule'?
I think they miss an opprotunity by not picking the week before the Crysis launch, but this is pretty much as on schedule as it gets for the graphics side of the equation, they supposedly moved the release date forward to hit the 15ht.

There hasn't been major releases this close together since the X800/GF6800 era.
October 30, 2007 10:10:28 PM

iocedmyself said:
Did anyone actually look at the benchmarks for the 8800GT? or the test set-up? Nvidia cards suck in Vista with DX10 games.


Not anymore they don't. nVidia is doing pretty wel with Vista and DX10 these days.


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The only people that complain about Vista are people that use an intel cpu and nvidia gpu.


Nah, I've got an intel PCU but AMD/ATi graphics chip, and yet VISTA's more of a headache than it's worth and the minute after I test DX10 features in Crysis I'm blowing out Vista and putting XP back in it's place. Vista is taking longer than XP to fix their driver situation, still has alot of compatability/feature issues compared to XP, and overall hasn't got a single compelling reason to upgrade from XP other that the more minor features like DX!0 and a few tweaks here and there. I don't hate VISTA but it's definitely still not ready for prime-time, especially when it comes to HD acceleratin and all the features/support I need for audio/video, and some of that is problem with the AMD side of the equation, and the realtek and Creative side as well, but sofar the only issue I've had was a since patched issue with Turbo Memory.

So really I think the problem in the equation is not exclusive to intel, nV or AMD, the problem seems pretty exclusive to VISTA most of the times, especially since under the similar configuration it works nearly flawlessly under XP.

I know there's growing pains, but we are nearing the 1 year anniversary, and I was happier with XP at 1 year despite the driver issues and such, than I am with Vista at this point. But that may be because we were moving from our W98SE & Win2K dual boot sitution to XP and the benifits outwieghed the negatives. Sofar there aren't enough benefits in VISTA that I've seen.
October 30, 2007 10:59:40 PM

I have a Intel CPU and a ATI Graphics Card(its not a AMD/ATI card since this was designed prior to AMDs take over) and run Vista Premium. I for one have yet to have any problems with Vista. My drivers have all run great. Hell I have benched my set up and have barely gotten 500 difference in 3DMark05 than a similar setup in XP and games run great.

Other than that what I don't understand is how DX 9.0 support was universal. So if you bought a DX 9.0 card it still supported 9.0A-9.0C yet the DX 10 cards won't support DX 10.1? Sounds weird to me.

Anyways, I think you can already set up a Crossfire and have one do physics but I prefer the games that use dual/quad core CPUs to run the physics as it gives a reason for multi-cored CPUs.
October 30, 2007 11:21:22 PM

DX9.0a/b cards don't support DX9.0c, that's why you can't run HDR in most games with an SM2.0 card (meaning DX9.0b, and maybe 9.0a, dunno if it had any HDR support). It's the same as DX8.1 cards running DX9.0x, they can do it, but without the features. Only once there is no backwards compatibility built into the game and 9.0c features are enforced (like in Bioshock and MOHA, forget hacks for the moment) is there a problem.

There is a difference between compatibility and compliance.
October 30, 2007 11:22:06 PM

If ATI/AMD doesn't come out with a kick ass product then I'm going over to nvidia and Intel when I build my new PC.I've been a loyal customer of both companies(amd/ati) for the last 5 years but this is getting ridiculous....
October 30, 2007 11:25:04 PM

Just be loyal to yourself not any brand/company. I swap back and forth all the time just going with what offers the most bang for the buck at the time.
October 30, 2007 11:27:27 PM

Ditto what Paul said. Brand loyalty is for losers and stockholders, consider which one you might be.

Always buy the best bang for the buck, and then if there's a tie, then maybe consider your personal 'emotive' preference.
October 30, 2007 11:36:53 PM

randomizer said:
DX9.0a/b cards don't support DX9.0c, that's why you can't run HDR in most games with an SM2.0 card (meaning DX9.0b, and maybe 9.0a, dunno if it had any HDR support).


Reember it's neither 'HDR specific' or DX9.0C/SM3.0 specific. There are other HDR models that work with the SM2.0 generation of cards, and there's some SM3.0/DX9.0c cards (like the GF6200) that cannot do OpenEXR style FP16 HDR, but that's because FP16 filtering and blending are optional, and FP16 blending is required for OpenEXR style HDR used in Oblivion, FartCry, etc.
October 30, 2007 11:52:29 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Ditto what Paul said. Brand loyalty is for losers and stockholders, consider which one you might be.

Always buy the best bang for the buck, and then if there's a tie, then maybe consider your personal 'emotive' preference.



I've had my athlon xp3200 and ati 9800 for a while now and have never had a problem with either,I have never owned a intel processor or a nvidia video card so I don't know what to expect from them.I'm a loser because I want to buy from the same compaines that gave me a good and reliable product over the last 4 years.....pfff what ever idiot!

October 31, 2007 12:33:18 AM

Well I seriously hope that this time around the launch of these new cards won't be as bad as the 29xx ones were. They better make good drivers when it debuts....
October 31, 2007 1:34:57 AM

fonzy said:
I've had my athlon xp3200 and ati 9800 for a while now and have never had a problem with either,I have never owned a intel processor or a nvidia video card so I don't know what to expect from them.


Yeah because those fly-by-night companies intel and nVidia sure sounds fishy. :sarcasm:

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I'm a loser because I want to buy from the same compaines that gave me a good and reliable product over the last 4 years.....pfff what ever idiot!


Well I'm talking about the guy who think threatening AMD as a 'loyal customer' ads any weight to your argument. A 'loyal customer' that hasn't bought anyting in 4 years! :heink:  Man it's loyalty like that that killed a whole bunch of companies.
You also throw it in as if it means something, when to most of us when someone says "loyal customer" it means they're blind, in your case it just means that you have limited experience not having owned/used anything else.
October 31, 2007 2:10:30 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Yeah because those fly-by-night companies intel and nVidia sure sounds fishy. :sarcasm:

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I'm a loser because I want to buy from the same compaines that gave me a good and reliable product over the last 4 years.....pfff what ever idiot!


Well I'm talking about the guy who think threatening AMD as a 'loyal customer' ads any weight to your argument. A 'loyal customer' that hasn't bought anyting in 4 years! :heink:  Man it's loyalty like that that killed a whole bunch of companies.
You also throw it in as if it means something, when to most of us when someone says "loyal customer" it means they're blind, in your case it just means that you have limited experience not having owned/used anything else.


I've owned a athlon 1600 and a radeon 7000 aswell and had no problems with it either.Just becasue I don't go out and buy a new system every damn year doesn't make me any less of a loyal customer...not to me anyway.Like I said,If AMD/ATI doesn't come out with anyhting that can out perform intel or nvidia them I'm going to go with the later.How am I threatening AMD?Did I say I was trying to bring down the company?

You might have the money to buy the best bang for your buck hardware every 8 months but to me it's a harder decision to make when I only build a computer ever 4+ years....right?
October 31, 2007 2:11:39 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Reember it's neither 'HDR specific' or DX9.0C/SM3.0 specific. There are other HDR models that work with the SM2.0 generation of cards, and there's some SM3.0/DX9.0c cards (like the GF6200) that cannot do OpenEXR style FP16 HDR, but that's because FP16 filtering and blending are optional, and FP16 blending is required for OpenEXR style HDR used in Oblivion, FartCry, etc.

That's why I said "most games" (not too many SM2.0 games with HDR support), and I used HDR as an example because it's a well known feature.
October 31, 2007 2:40:01 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Do you have that quote?

Actually I don't think he said they had no intention of supporting it, it just wasn't currently in the game. And this reply came after the discussion of future friendly features not yet exposed. But from everything I've read sofar he wasn't so blunt to say they had no intention of supporting it, that would imply they will never patch it, which is strange for a company that brought out 3 patches to add features to FarCry (SM3.0, SM2.0b geometry instancing, HDR+FSAA).

I would say it won't be anything soon, but I wouldn't say it won't be a future option they would end up supporting.
While you're right about the way things were added to Far Cry, do you honestly expect a Direct X10.1 patch when the claimed to be Direct X10 exclusive features in the demo can be enabled in Windows XP with a registry edit? Maybe they will end up patching it for Direct X10.1, but I'll remain skeptical on their ability to release such a patch after seeing the way they've handled Direct X10 so far.
October 31, 2007 6:24:44 AM

Why doesn't ATI just tell us everything about their new card instead of keeping it a secret? Its not like something is going to change in 2 weeks when they release it. And Nvidia has already come out with their card.

People are either going to just buy an Nvidia 8800gt now because they don't want to wait for the ATI info, or even if they do wait 2 weeks, they will still base their decision off that info.

If the ATI card is so great, then they need to be putting out ALL its features now.
October 31, 2007 6:30:47 AM

Na, coz then people will go "Wow look at those specs!" and then it may be like the 2900XT, big numbers, bad performance (at least at launch).
October 31, 2007 5:23:18 PM

fonzy said:
I've owned a athlon 1600 and a radeon 7000 aswell and had no problems with it either.


Which is still limited to AMD/ATi, and before the last purchase. The market has changed 3 times over since your last purchase.

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Just becasue I don't go out and buy a new system every damn year doesn't make me any less of a loyal customer...not to me anyway.


It never does to those who resort to the "loyal customer' statement when talking about X company better do something cause I'm a loyal customer. The customer who does buy often enough knows the fact that they are NOT a loyal customer and simply buy on performance is motivation enough for the companies to cater to them.

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You might have the money to buy the best bang for your buck hardware every 8 months but to me it's a harder decision to make when I only build a computer ever 4+ years....right?


It may be a harder decision, but really the point is brand loyalty shouldn't have anything to do with it, especially for someone who only buys every 4 years. YOU most of all need to research your purchase, because the rest of us can forgo a mistake and replace next season, you on the other hand need to live with your mistake longer, so don't look at the MFR look at the product, pure and simple. Who cares what name/colour the box/pcb is all the should matter is best fit for the tasks you're going to use it for and for the price, nothing else should matter, except a s tie breaker like I mentioned.

Do yourself a favour, forget what you owned and look at what you'd like to own, it's always the best strategy. If AMD made a better laptop I'd buy it, if nV made better video & 2D features I'd buy them. Take it from those of us who own both sides of the fence and recommend both sides too depending solely on their use and price, NO ONE has the best solution for every situation.
October 31, 2007 5:29:59 PM

randomizer said:
That's why I said "most games" (not too many SM2.0 games with HDR support), and I used HDR as an example because it's a well known feature.


Well the funny thing is with the number of source engine based games out ther, there's quite a few that support HDR in the SM2.0 path, especially all those found now in the Black Box, whose implementation still rivals that in FartCry and Oblivion IMO.

And the only reason I focus on it is because so many people confuse HDR with SM3.0 when the GF6 and low GF7 series do not suport blending, yet are fully SM3.0 compliant. So for the example about DX it's an issue, because we have alot of features that are optional but supported in DX10 that now become requirements in DX10.1, and one of those examples is the level of FP filtering and blending which was way lower than the hardware in DX10.0, and now equal to it in DX10.1, so similar to the optional component of FP16 HDR with regards to SM3.0.
October 31, 2007 5:36:28 PM

Heyyou27 said:
While you're right about the way things were added to Far Cry, do you honestly expect a Direct X10.1 patch when the claimed to be Direct X10 exclusive features in the demo can be enabled in Windows XP with a registry edit? Maybe they will end up patching it for Direct X10.1, but I'll remain skeptical on their ability to release such a patch after seeing the way they've handled Direct X10 so far.


The only reason I think they will do a patch is their history, they LOVE to tweak and add features, and they've also said there's imbeded features that will only be unlocked when the hardware is available to support it. Now that to me gives you two mouth-watering options like VPU-accelerated physics (unlikely with intel as their partner) and then additional optional features which would help with their engine, like materials handling , tesselation, and a few more. So to me nothing is guaranteed, but based on their past and their propensity to like to add new features, I wouldn't rule it out. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I would expect a DX10.1 path from them before I would for Bioshock, COH, LostPlanet, UT3, etc.

Despite their sketchy situation with DX10 right now, they seem like the logical choice based on their past and the flexability of their engine. But don't get me wrong, I don't expect it anytime soon, and don't think that DX10.1 is a killer app by any means. If they do bring a patch it will be like the SM3.0/geometry instancing patches, sometime well into next year.
October 31, 2007 6:07:45 PM

Tc17 said:

People are either going to just buy an Nvidia 8800gt now because they don't want to wait for the ATI info, or even if they do wait 2 weeks, they will still base their decision off that info...

If the ATI card is so great, then they need to be putting out ALL its features now.


You pretty much can't buy a GT right now, so there's little incentive there because people are waiting regardless.

And would you trust any figures that are published by a company?
And if you did and they were great, you still can't buy one, so who does that benefit? The only people who want ATi to show their information now are those who are worried about buying a dud and finding a better option later, and those people are already waiting anyways.

Also with the potential of a GTS-rerelease then why would AMD want to tip their hand and give nVidia extra time to to adjust their clocks.

So strategically, what's the benefit of them tiping their hand early?
October 31, 2007 7:07:55 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Which is still limited to AMD/ATi, and before the last purchase. The market has changed 3 times over since your last purchase.

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Just becasue I don't go out and buy a new system every damn year doesn't make me any less of a loyal customer...not to me anyway.


It never does to those who resort to the "loyal customer' statement when talking about X company better do something cause I'm a loyal customer. The customer who does buy often enough knows the fact that they are NOT a loyal customer and simply buy on performance is motivation enough for the companies to cater to them.

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You might have the money to buy the best bang for your buck hardware every 8 months but to me it's a harder decision to make when I only build a computer ever 4+ years....right?


It may be a harder decision, but really the point is brand loyalty shouldn't have anything to do with it, especially for someone who only buys every 4 years. YOU most of all need to research your purchase, because the rest of us can forgo a mistake and replace next season, you on the other hand need to live with your mistake longer, so don't look at the MFR look at the product, pure and simple. Who cares what name/colour the box/pcb is all the should matter is best fit for the tasks you're going to use it for and for the price, nothing else should matter, except a s tie breaker like I mentioned.

Do yourself a favour, forget what you owned and look at what you'd like to own, it's always the best strategy. If AMD made a better laptop I'd buy it, if nV made better video & 2D features I'd buy them. Take it from those of us who own both sides of the fence and recommend both sides too depending solely on their use and price, NO ONE has the best solution for every situation.


maybe,I'm not about to jump on the intel/nvidia bandwagon just yet though.I'm going to see how the amd/ati 3800 and the Phenom pan out before I declare Intel or nvidia the better product.
November 1, 2007 2:25:31 AM

fonzy said:
If ATI/AMD doesn't come out with a kick ass product then I'm going over to nvidia and Intel when I build my new PC.I've been a loyal customer of both companies(amd/ati) for the last 5 years but this is getting ridiculous....

Rumors are that the 3800 series are around 8% weaker than the 8800GT but I heard that the top 3800 card will sell for $199 dollars at launch to compensate for losing to the 8800GT.

Price wars begins soon!!! :lol: 
November 1, 2007 4:49:23 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Do you have that quote?

Actually I don't think he said they had no intention of supporting it, it just wasn't currently in the game. And this reply came after the discussion of future friendly features not yet exposed. But from everything I've read sofar he wasn't so blunt to say they had no intention of supporting it, that would imply they will never patch it, which is strange for a company that brought out 3 patches to add features to FarCry (SM3.0, SM2.0b geometry instancing, HDR+FSAA).

I would say it won't be anything soon, but I wouldn't say it won't be a future option they would end up supporting.


Don't know if this is the quote he was talking about, but...

Game Informer: So you don’t think developers are going to be using the [DX10.1] feature set in the next year or so?

Crytek bossman Cevat Yerli: Well if they do it’s their own choice. We wont. I mean we as a technical pushing – leading company wouldn’t do that. And I wonder why anyone else would do that either. I would say to all gamers, don’t worry about 10.1 what-so-ever. We are a DX10 game, not 10.1, and your investment in DX10 hardware if you did it already, is fine.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200710/N07.1004....

As a huge fan and believer in competition, I hope ATI isn't relying on DX10.1 over performance/$ to move their new parts...

Tad

November 1, 2007 5:28:05 PM

It would be unfortunate if game developers pushed 10.1 exclusivity. I know a few gamers who are still bitter about BF2 deciding not to support their GF4 Ti4600s
November 1, 2007 9:54:41 PM

tdenton1138 said:
Don't know if this is the quote he was talking about, but...


Doesn't sound like it, but it does match the idea.
Hadn't seen this interview his otherone mentioned there not being any currently in the game. This is definitely much clearer on whether it will be added later.

I think the statement about current hardware doesn't make sense with regards to tesselation as it's a perormance enhanding feature of DX10.1, but I see his point for other aspects which are really more a foundation for future hardware.
November 1, 2007 9:56:24 PM

joefriday said:
It would be unfortunate if game developers pushed 10.1 exclusivity. I know a few gamers who are still bitter about BF2 deciding not to support their GF4 Ti4600s


Yeah we had a few discussions about that since it does support the R8500, but the change to SM3.0 happened in some games before that like SplinterCell, so the writing was definitely on the wall by that point.
November 1, 2007 11:56:31 PM

"However, he kept most of the juicy bits to himself pending product launch on November 15th."

Anybody thinking about that little priest in Ethiopia who claims to have the Ark of the Covenant, but won't allow anyone to see it?

I haven't personally had an nVidia card since my TNT2 or an Intel processer since my first AMD 80287 co-processor (although I've bought both for the company when I thought they had a better fit for our needs) but I'm leaning toward both in my next build around the end of November.

I'm still wondering who at AMD said "Hey, wouldn't it be great if we sucked at more things?"
November 2, 2007 2:59:03 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Who cares what name/colour the box/pcb is all the should matter is best fit for the tasks you're going to use it for and for the price, nothing else should matter, except a s tie breaker like I mentioned.


I'm a sucker myself I've got to say. I've got 2 AMD boxes with 2 ATI graphics setups. Being Australian I always barrack for the underdog and that's AMD/ATI now more than ever. What I won't do is match pricing for an inferior product. Fortunately market pricing tends to reflect performance (except on flagship items like the FX) and if it's overpriced then don't touch it. I've got a X2 6000+ (price and performance compared well against E6600) with crossfired X1950s because neither company had a DX10 graphics card in the midrange to compete bang-for-buck with the them.

What I'm saying I guess is you can be loyal but still smart, just don't think your company will be loyal to you. I know if ATI brings out the 3900 eventually and it rocks the house we're gonna be paying big for it.
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