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Final showdown! 8800GT vs 3800

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October 29, 2007 11:40:25 AM

Well, I have waited a week, (my new pc is still in the boxes from shipping) and the 8800GT has come out, and very well it did. According to tom at a price of 230~250 its higher than what I would normally spend but it looks like one of those deals where it’s so great, you might as well buy it, which I’m really considering...but now with one thing running in my head. So now within the next 2 weeks (Nov 15th) ATI is gonna' counter the GT with its 3800, supposedly with ‘competitive’ performance. Not only that but for 150~250 I'll quote from the article incase no one read it yet.

"There will be two versions of the Radeon HD 3800, with pricing (yet unconfirmed and subject to change) between $150-250 depending on model, clock frequency and memory configurations. These will be competitive with cards based on the technology Nvidia announced today. We wanted mid-range cards and now it appears we have them."

I really would hate to wait another 2 weeks to watch the GT and the 3800 brawl, but it seems the 3800 feature/price wise offers more, but will the performance be there?

Anyways I’m upgrading from a 9800 pro, planning on Hellgate:London, GuildWars2, maybe UR3, I'm only going to playing at max 1280x1024 (17"square LCD). If you were in my shoes, what would you do? 8800GT now? Or wait till 3800 release and make the final decision?
October 29, 2007 12:05:07 PM

I would wait the new ATI cards look nice plus most of the software issues with the r600 have been fixed so it should help with these new ones plus its only waiting another couple of weeks hell im still on a 6800gt i dont mind waiting even tho i nearly cried when playing the UT3 demo lol but if you have waited this long another week shouldnt hurt
October 29, 2007 12:14:28 PM

The 3800 sounds real nice.
I really want to see some numbers.
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October 29, 2007 12:26:35 PM

I'm definitely waiting for the 3800(70?), and if it beats the 8800GTX in Crysis and has a good price ($200-$250) then I'll probably get it for my next build. 8800GT looks like a good card to fall back on if the 3800s don't live up to my expectations.
October 29, 2007 12:45:32 PM

I'm actually rooting for the 8800GT to win over the 3800s a little bit, but alas..I will choose whichever card has the most performance for the value.
October 29, 2007 4:36:58 PM

aadamszc said:
I'm actually rooting for the 8800GT to win over the 3800s a little bit, but alas..I will choose whichever card has the most performance for the value.


But AMD/ATI need to get a win under their belt so that they don't go under and let Intel and Nvidia raise their prices to the moon........
October 29, 2007 5:19:07 PM

Avenger_K said:
But AMD/ATI need to get a win under their belt so that they don't go under and let Intel and Nvidia raise their prices to the moon........


Intel and NVIDIA can not price gauge their products. There would be huge amounts of legal issues. The only thing that would happen is a stagnant price point. Not $500 for an otherwise $200 CPU. People would be suing them in the blink of an eye.

On a more serious note...

This is no "final showdown," the 8800GT beats AMD's offerings. The HD3800 series is entirely speculation at this point. Compare and contrast what AMD said about the (at the time announced) X2800XTX, which was than later announced as HD2900 series. You'll find quite a few similarities. Here's a few links to what they "supposedly" launching. Dubbed X2800XTX at the time.

X2800XTX speculations:

http://www.techspot.com/news/24379-radeon-x2800xtx-cloc...

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=129035

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1157174

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/02/14/...

HD3800 speculations:

http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=13168

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5305077

http://www.teamati.com/DirectX%2010_1%20White%20Paper%2...


Just compare things you see in there. Ones have "benchmarks", others have "sources". But as we all know the X2800XTX never came to be, due to a rename. But the specs of it were way off on some of the "benchmarks" and "claims." I wouldn't personally take anything about the HD3800 series worth a grain of salt unless benched under an official website and backed by official reports.

There is no showdown...one of the contenders hasn't even shown up. :heink: 
October 29, 2007 6:54:52 PM

justinmcg67 said:
Intel and NVIDIA can not price gauge their products. There would be huge amounts of legal issues. The only thing that would happen is a stagnant price point. Not $500 for an otherwise $200 CPU. People would be suing them in the blink of an eye.

On a more serious note...

This is no "final showdown," the 8800GT beats AMD's offerings. The HD3800 series is entirely speculation at this point. Compare and contrast what AMD said about the (at the time announced) X2800XTX, which was than later announced as HD2900 series. You'll find quite a few similarities. Here's a few links to what they "supposedly" launching. Dubbed X2800XTX at the time.

X2800XTX speculations:

http://www.techspot.com/news/24379-radeon-x2800xtx-cloc...

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=129035

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1157174

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/02/14/...

HD3800 speculations:

http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=13168

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5305077

http://www.teamati.com/DirectX%2010_1%20White%20Paper%2...


Just compare things you see in there. Ones have "benchmarks", others have "sources". But as we all know the X2800XTX never came to be, due to a rename. But the specs of it were way off on some of the "benchmarks" and "claims." I wouldn't personally take anything about the HD3800 series worth a grain of salt unless benched under an official website and backed by official reports.

There is no showdown...one of the contenders hasn't even shown up. :heink: 



Oh yesh there is baby! Just not now, the 15th of this month, the best part is it isnt pay-per-view!

But either way you seem very knowlegable, what would you do if you were me? Get the 8800GT now or wait till the 3800?
October 29, 2007 7:07:02 PM

Honestly, I don't know if you could find a 8800GT now. I would just wait for the 3800s for kicks and giggles.

Actually, I'm waiting for black Friday for my whole system build.
October 29, 2007 7:09:01 PM

There's a lot of places with a 8800GT still in stock...a bit pricey, though. I got lucky and paid 256 for an OC version, but most standard versions im seeing on newegg are 270-290!
October 29, 2007 7:12:48 PM

I sincerely hope that once the demand dies down, there will be a decrease in price gouging.
October 29, 2007 7:19:22 PM

justinmcg67 said:

This is no "final showdown," the 8800GT beats AMD's offerings. The HD3800 series is entirely speculation at this point.


Although Fudo level rumours say GT beats 3800, its entirely speculation at this point, so your second sentence completely negates first one. Make up your mind :) 

justinmcg67 said:

There is no showdown...one of the contenders hasn't even shown up. :heink: 

Another BS claim. Even if 3800 series will be slower (which is a speculation, it may end up faster, unlikely but we dont know), it still may offer better price/perfomance ratio due to pricing. It may actualy be a good thing if we will have wider range of mid-level fast video cards, nothing like the jump from 8600GTS to 8800GTS.
October 29, 2007 7:45:10 PM

I would wait for better drivers for the 8800GT before buying it. Even then its already trading blows with the GTX on lower resolutions.
October 29, 2007 8:26:27 PM

Harrisson said:
Although Fudo level rumours say GT beats 3800, its entirely speculation at this point, so your second sentence completely negates first one. Make up your mind :) 


I should have rephrased what i said. I apologize. What i meant to say was that the 8800GT beats AMD current offerings. The HD2900XT and HD2900 Pro succumb to the 8800GT. And the HD3800 series is speculation. Hope that clears up what i was trying to say. :) 

Harrisson said:
Another BS claim. Even if 3800 series will be slower (which is a speculation, it may end up faster, unlikely but we dont know), it still may offer better price/perfomance ratio due to pricing. It may actually be a good thing if we will have wider range of mid-level fast video cards, nothing like the jump from 8600GTS to 8800GTS.


How is my statement of "One of the contenders hasn't even shown up," a BS claim? is it not fact that 8800GT is here and HD3800 is not? Seems as truth to me.

But your second statement I entirely agree with. I'm not DOUBTING the possibility of HD3800 having a better price to performance ratio; but what I am saying is that AMD's offers really have a lot to cover. The 8800GT is holding that price-performance title right now. What's the suspected launch date of HD3800 series? I heard November 19th, but we will see.

October 29, 2007 8:39:31 PM

ATI has announced all over the internet today that they are releasing a competitor to G92 the HD3800 series on 15th November.

Rumors are that it can't compete with the 8800gt. The important thing to note is that these are RUMORS. NOT FACT!

The price/performance ratio of the 8800gt is incredible to say the least. You can read any review and every reviewer will mention how shocked they were by the performance.

If Nvidia can pull off such a big shock who is to say Ati cant pull of a major surprise. If I'm honest I dont think they will.

Anyway my point is. Why are so many people running out to buy a 8800gt without even seeing what the competion has to offer. I'm going to buy one of these cards. I will get the one with the best price/performance ratio. Why not wait 2 weeks to see what happens.
October 29, 2007 9:33:13 PM

gpippas said:
Anyway my point is. Why are so many people running out to buy a 8800gt without even seeing what the competion has to offer? I'm going to buy one of these cards. I will get the one with the best price/performance ratio. Why not wait 2 weeks to see what happens.


Some people have been waiting for a very long time. Now that they have a great option, they're seizing the moment. To put it into perspective; several stores are already out of stock. And it's not even the end of the launch day. :ouch: 
October 29, 2007 9:41:03 PM

@justinmcg67, that wasnt what you said ;)  Anyway, 3800 will be launched Nov 15th, several more weeks for nVidia to clear out 50.000 initial GT stock, and they probaby will be out of them in a few days. Since GT pretty much kills GTX sales, IMO new nVidia flagship isnt far away, and about time.
October 29, 2007 10:05:42 PM

Hey iv been waiting a very long time. I have been running an x300 for the past year which plays nothing. Iv almost taken the plunge on a 8800gts more times than I can remember. But I just had a hunch that the 2nd gen of dx10 cards were the ones to get not the 1st. Especially if you plan to keep it for a while. I was also about to order one till I read about the HD3800 series being released in 2 weeks.

Which is why I make my point. Why not wait 2 weeks. After the 15th November I will own one or the other regardless of what else is coming out and when.
October 29, 2007 11:20:54 PM

You can always wait a little longer and get a "GeForce 9800GTX 1.5g". This was an option in the video card drop down box from a very well known highend system builder. They refused to confirm or deny and it was promptly removed when I inquired about it .
October 30, 2007 12:21:33 AM

I couldn’t take it! I have been humbled! I bought the MSI NX8800GT 512MB... now you must be wondering what I paid as most places even the very reputable new egg and zipzoomfly have been charging $250~$300! Mostly $270ish though. Anyhow this is the breakdown for my 8800GT

$189.99 That’s right your all jealous! I paid $190 for a 8800GT MUHAHAHHAHA

Of course there is a catch…For starters I bought it off of buy.com for base price of $239.99 I searched many places far and wide from no name to huge name websites, and none offered the $240 price tag with free shipping. Ok so now your saying, 190 does not equal 240. But whats the difference between the two? $50. Exactly how much I received on my rewards card for doing normal things like filling up my tank every week, of course this was over a decent period of time, but hell, the last thing I bought from buy.com was a couple of hard to find cd’s a few years ago. So there it is, my $190 8800GT…now to stretch this bad boy out for another 3~4 years :kaola:  heh!
October 30, 2007 12:36:03 AM

bildo123 said:
Oh yesh there is baby! Just not now, the 15th of this month, the best part is it isnt pay-per-view!

But either way you seem very knowlegable, what would you do if you were me? Get the 8800GT now or wait till the 3800?

WAIT FOR THE 3800. Even though the 3800 series lose in performance to the 8800GT, I promise you that they will be cheaper and a better price for performance. It might be the 2600XT and 8600GTS again. BUT the price offer that the 3800 are putting up 150 - 250, Might mean something so we need to wait :D  :kaola: 
October 30, 2007 12:56:20 AM

waiting always pays off, but I for one couldn't wait any longer. Just as soon as I could I bought an EVGA 8800gt. I'm sure with either card you'll be happy with the preformance, but you can only wait for so long before jumping the gun
October 30, 2007 1:13:40 AM

Patience is a virtue... price drops will follow...........
October 30, 2007 1:17:04 AM

I just notices the Prices are going up! on these video cards...the one i bought for $250 is $290 now!
October 30, 2007 1:33:37 AM

I am still going with the 8800GTX because I have not seen any benchs on DX10 using the 8800GT 512MB. First week of November I buy no matter what!
October 30, 2007 2:42:56 AM

aznstriker92 said:
WAIT FOR THE 3800. Even though the 3800 series lose in performance to the 8800GT, I promise you that they will be cheaper and a better price for performance. It might be the 2600XT and 8600GTS again. BUT the price offer that the 3800 are putting up 150 - 250, Might mean something so we need to wait :D  :kaola: 


LoL good now you can wait while I'm unloading 1000's of anti-demon rounds into Hellgate:London mobs at a billion FPS MUAHHAHAH!!!

But on a serious note I know I should have waited, but when I had the epiphany of that 50 dollars I had on my card, and seeing the lowest advertised price as of a few hours ago, I was sucked in like something thats all black-holey and suctioney! Once I knew that buy.com would catch on and say, what the hell do you mean we sold out?! We didn't even have the trailer back in yet!? They would follow the leader and jack it up over in the $270 range, at least until the surge went down. Bottom line I feel it was a solid purchase, maybe a little less solid depending on the 3800 review, but none the less a solid buy. :p 
October 30, 2007 3:35:20 AM

Price gouging, makes me sick
October 30, 2007 4:11:27 AM

COME ON SPIDER!!!
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