Update Oct. 13: I've updated my current choices a bit based on the feedback I've received in the last 2 days - thanks a lot guys! Also, about OCing: I do want to have at least 3.0 GHz, even on the Q6600, but I doubt I'll go crazy with like 3.8+ GHz overclocks.
Update Oct. 14 (1st): I've done some more research and looking around, and decided on the PSU(Corsair HX620 w/ 8pin PCI-E), CPU(Q6600 G0), CPU Cooler(Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme), CPU Cooler Fan(Scythe Sff21f), CPU Cooler Thermal Grease(Arctic Silver 5 3.5g), Mobo (GA-P35-DS3L - slightly unsure about this). Now I just have to decide on the RAM. 2x1gb=2gb or 2x(2x1gb)=4 gb? Crucial or Corsair? CAS4? If I understand correctly, I won't need to overclock ram unless I go past 3.6 GHz on the Q6600, is that correct? At 3.6 GHz the FSB would be 400 Mhz, meaning 800 Mhz for DDR2... eh.. Need to read up more on this. :/
Update Oct. 14 (2nd): I bought the Corsair HX620W PSU, Scythe Fan and Raptor. Couldn't buy the rest because the MoBo I wanted (GA-P35-DS3L) was out of stock. =( Read my last reply for more details.
Update Oct. 14 (3rd): Ordered online the eVGA 8800GTX (for the peace of mind with the step-up program and quality/reliability/brandname hehe), GA-P35-DS3L (cheap but good enough for me, easy to upgrade later), Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme CPU Cooler (the best), Arctic Silver 5 thermal grease, Corsair 2GB PC2-6400C4 2x1gb kit (much cheaper compared to Crucial Ballistix, and enough headroom for 3.6 GHz OC). Woot! All that's left is to pick up the Q6600 G0 when the order arrives! =D
Hi,
Here's the deal. I'm almost done saving up for a much needed and long overdue upgrade to my gaming PC, and I need some help/pointers. Since I've been out of the hardware side of things for a quite while, I'm not really up to date on everything that's been going on. I know a bit about the current video cards and CPUs, but not much else (nor what's coming soon).
So my current desktop PC is this:
Pentium 3 500 MHz (OCed to 575 MHz)
ATI Radeon 8500 64 MB
512 MB PC133 RAM (upgraded, it was 128 originally)
20 GB 5400 RPM hard-drive (plus another 7200 RPM 10 GB one I've added recently)
Needless to say, it's pretty out of date. I've been wanting it to upgrade it ever since it got slow about 5 years ago lol. But I didn't have any money until now (I got a job, finally). I'm pretty used to playing games from ~2001-2002 and earlier and usually at like 5-15 FPS. So now I want to use this opportunity to get a monster gaming rig so that I can be totally blown away with it, just like I was when I got my first 3D accelerated video card like 7 years ago... Playing SoF1 on it, that was the ****. I want that feeling again heh.
Here are some games I'm planning to try out on it:
Bioshock
Half-Life 2/Episode One/Two
Portal
F.E.A.R.
Prey
GTA 4
Hitman: Blood Money
Rainbox Six: Vegas
Live for Speed, rFactor, some NFS games maybe
(as you can see, I'm mostly into FPS and driving games)
Anyway, I've done a bit of research and tried to choose the parts. My budget is around CAD$2000-$3000 (that's in Canadian dollars, but they're = to USD now), but I'd rather spend as little as possible (it's my own money, after all lol).
I'll list the components and write down what I've picked out, what I'm unsure about, etc. - please comment!
CPU
My current choice: Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz and OC it to 3.0 GHZ (Q6600 Stepping G0)
Past choices: Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz (E6850)
I want to spend: $200-300
How sure am I about it: Undecided, most likely the Q6600 if I can OC it to 3.0 GHz
I know I probably should just get a lower clocked C2D and OC it myself to 3.0 ghz, but I really like the sound of 3.0 GHz, and since it's C2D it'd be so awesome... I also know it might be a good idea to get a Quad core (Q6600) in the long-run, but I really want top end performance out of the "current" next-gen games and the highest Fps...
Update: Since I'll be getting cream of the crop CPU air cooling, I think I'll get the Q6600 and OC it to 3.0 or higher. This ought to keep me happy now and further into the future (vs. the C2D which might not be as effective in the multithreaded future).
Video card
My current choice: eVGA 8800GTX 768MB PCI-Express (768-P2-N831-AR)
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $560.
I want to spend: $600
I just have to have it... The sweet 8800 Gtx, it doesn't care about high resolutions or AA/AF. It's pretty old now (1 year), so I hope it won't be blown away out of the water within a month or two, like it did all other cards when it just came out..
No idea if the eVGA version is the best, but I see it mentioned everywhere and it seems to be good. Hope it is.
Monitor
My current choice: Dell 27" UltraSharp widescreen LCD monitor
I want to spend: $300-1000
How sure am I about it: Not very, depends on what resolutions the 8800GTX can handle..
I want a Dell LCD, they seem pretty good. On the one hand, I can go for a Dell 22" with 1680x1050 for like $300, but then there's the 24" with 1920x1200.. which sounds so awesome. But if I really want to be amazed, maybe I should just go for the 27"... I definitely don't want a 30" cuz the games would run too slow at 2560x resolution without 2 video cards.
Will the one 8800GTX handle current-~1 year from now games all right at 1920x, or should I just get a 1680x monitor for better FPS (I want it to be 100+.. or at least 60+)? I guess I could always play at lower resolution when it gets slow, so.. Dunno, 27" is very expensive too lol.
Motherboard
My Current choice: Gigabyte's GA-P35-DS3L
Past choices: Gigabyte's GA-P35C-DS3R/GA-P35-DS3R/GA-P35-DS3L or ASUS P5K (regular, not Deluxe).
I want to spend: $100-150-ish, unless it's absolutely necessary to spend more.
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $95. Hope the L model is as good as GA-P35C-DS3R in all other aspects but DDR3/RAID support - if so, I'll be happy with it.
Ok, this is the part I need the most help with. I've done some research and fished out the names of these two mobos... They seem to be all right for what I need, which is:
-1 video card, I don't think I'll be going for SLI
-DDR2 ram support, DDR3 is optional but I guess is nice to have for the future
-4 ram slots
-I've read that the Intel P35 chipset is pretty good..
-Standard features, a couple USB 2.0s, 3-4 SATA ports, LAN, sound, etc. nothing special
Between the two.. I like ASUS, but it seems Gigabyte might be a better choice since it allows me to upgrade to DDR3 in the future. But for now Im defnitely going with DDR2.
Update: I think I'll go for the Gigabyte P35x-DS3x. Now the question is which of these 3:
-GA-P35C-DS3R ($167): has RAID and DDR3 support
-GA-P35C-DS3R ($150): has RAID support
-GA-P35C-DS3L ($106): no RAID support
Those are the only differences as far as I can tell. Since I doubt I'll need RAID, maybe I should get the cheapest $105 one - that way I can upgrade it later on if the need arises, since I won't be losing much. Or maybe spend the $167 and have DDR3 support right away?
RAM
My Current choice: Corsiar Twin2X DDR2 PC-6400 800MHz XMS2 Xtreme Memory 2GB (2 x 1GB) Dual Channel Kit
Past choices: Crucial Ballistix (BL2KIT12864AA804) DDR2 800Mhz PC2 6400 2GB Kit (1GB x 2) 240-pin (and another 2GB in the future maybe)
I want to spend: $100-150
How sure am I about it: Already bought Corsair, $100 AR (vs. Crucial which is $147).
I know it's better to get a well known brand, but there are quite a few of them.. This corsair pack seems decent, so Ive picked it cuz it's the first one I found. I wanna get 2GB now, and maybe I'll get another 2GB later on if the need arises.
Update: I think I'll need to get something else if I'm going to OC that Q6600, I'll look into Crucial RAM. It seems pretty good too.
Hard-drive
My Current choice: WD Raptor 150 GB 10,000 RPM (and another WD Caviar 500 or 750 GB or two later on)
I want to spend: $200
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $205.
Just gonna get a fast raptor as my main drive, and get another 1 or 2 500/750~ish GB hard-drive for storage later.
Power-supply
My Current choice: Corsair HX620W PSU
I want to spend: $100-150~
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $130 AR.
It seems pretty important to get a good quality PSU, and I hear this one is pretty good (tier 2). Costs only $130 AR too.
Case
My Current choice: Cooler Master CM 690
I want to spend: $100 or less
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $71 after MIR.
Update: Thanks for the info, I've decided to get a CM 690 as it should suit my needs nicely.
So please let me know if this system sounds good, or if I should wait for something that'll come out sometime soon, cuz I want this new machine to be pretty close to top-end for at least a few months after I get it.
Sorry it's such a long post, but I tend to get wordy and I don't upgrade my PC often - so I have a lot of questions. I really want to get as much wow-factor (not the game) as possible, and I'm really excited, so I don't want to make bad choices (especially in RAM, Mobo, PSU and case - what I'm most unsure about) that I'll regret later.
Thanks to anyone who helps me out, 'preciate it.
Update Oct. 14 (1st): I've done some more research and looking around, and decided on the PSU(Corsair HX620 w/ 8pin PCI-E), CPU(Q6600 G0), CPU Cooler(Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme), CPU Cooler Fan(Scythe Sff21f), CPU Cooler Thermal Grease(Arctic Silver 5 3.5g), Mobo (GA-P35-DS3L - slightly unsure about this). Now I just have to decide on the RAM. 2x1gb=2gb or 2x(2x1gb)=4 gb? Crucial or Corsair? CAS4? If I understand correctly, I won't need to overclock ram unless I go past 3.6 GHz on the Q6600, is that correct? At 3.6 GHz the FSB would be 400 Mhz, meaning 800 Mhz for DDR2... eh.. Need to read up more on this. :/
Update Oct. 14 (2nd): I bought the Corsair HX620W PSU, Scythe Fan and Raptor. Couldn't buy the rest because the MoBo I wanted (GA-P35-DS3L) was out of stock. =( Read my last reply for more details.
Update Oct. 14 (3rd): Ordered online the eVGA 8800GTX (for the peace of mind with the step-up program and quality/reliability/brandname hehe), GA-P35-DS3L (cheap but good enough for me, easy to upgrade later), Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme CPU Cooler (the best), Arctic Silver 5 thermal grease, Corsair 2GB PC2-6400C4 2x1gb kit (much cheaper compared to Crucial Ballistix, and enough headroom for 3.6 GHz OC). Woot! All that's left is to pick up the Q6600 G0 when the order arrives! =D
Hi,
Here's the deal. I'm almost done saving up for a much needed and long overdue upgrade to my gaming PC, and I need some help/pointers. Since I've been out of the hardware side of things for a quite while, I'm not really up to date on everything that's been going on. I know a bit about the current video cards and CPUs, but not much else (nor what's coming soon).
So my current desktop PC is this:
Pentium 3 500 MHz (OCed to 575 MHz)
ATI Radeon 8500 64 MB
512 MB PC133 RAM (upgraded, it was 128 originally)
20 GB 5400 RPM hard-drive (plus another 7200 RPM 10 GB one I've added recently)
Needless to say, it's pretty out of date. I've been wanting it to upgrade it ever since it got slow about 5 years ago lol. But I didn't have any money until now (I got a job, finally). I'm pretty used to playing games from ~2001-2002 and earlier and usually at like 5-15 FPS. So now I want to use this opportunity to get a monster gaming rig so that I can be totally blown away with it, just like I was when I got my first 3D accelerated video card like 7 years ago... Playing SoF1 on it, that was the ****. I want that feeling again heh.
Here are some games I'm planning to try out on it:
Bioshock
Half-Life 2/Episode One/Two
Portal
F.E.A.R.
Prey
GTA 4
Hitman: Blood Money
Rainbox Six: Vegas
Live for Speed, rFactor, some NFS games maybe
(as you can see, I'm mostly into FPS and driving games)
Anyway, I've done a bit of research and tried to choose the parts. My budget is around CAD$2000-$3000 (that's in Canadian dollars, but they're = to USD now), but I'd rather spend as little as possible (it's my own money, after all lol).
I'll list the components and write down what I've picked out, what I'm unsure about, etc. - please comment!
CPU
My current choice: Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz and OC it to 3.0 GHZ (Q6600 Stepping G0)
Past choices: Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz (E6850)
I want to spend: $200-300
How sure am I about it: Undecided, most likely the Q6600 if I can OC it to 3.0 GHz
I know I probably should just get a lower clocked C2D and OC it myself to 3.0 ghz, but I really like the sound of 3.0 GHz, and since it's C2D it'd be so awesome... I also know it might be a good idea to get a Quad core (Q6600) in the long-run, but I really want top end performance out of the "current" next-gen games and the highest Fps...
Update: Since I'll be getting cream of the crop CPU air cooling, I think I'll get the Q6600 and OC it to 3.0 or higher. This ought to keep me happy now and further into the future (vs. the C2D which might not be as effective in the multithreaded future).
Video card
My current choice: eVGA 8800GTX 768MB PCI-Express (768-P2-N831-AR)
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $560.
I want to spend: $600
I just have to have it... The sweet 8800 Gtx, it doesn't care about high resolutions or AA/AF. It's pretty old now (1 year), so I hope it won't be blown away out of the water within a month or two, like it did all other cards when it just came out..
No idea if the eVGA version is the best, but I see it mentioned everywhere and it seems to be good. Hope it is.
Monitor
My current choice: Dell 27" UltraSharp widescreen LCD monitor
I want to spend: $300-1000
How sure am I about it: Not very, depends on what resolutions the 8800GTX can handle..
I want a Dell LCD, they seem pretty good. On the one hand, I can go for a Dell 22" with 1680x1050 for like $300, but then there's the 24" with 1920x1200.. which sounds so awesome. But if I really want to be amazed, maybe I should just go for the 27"... I definitely don't want a 30" cuz the games would run too slow at 2560x resolution without 2 video cards.
Will the one 8800GTX handle current-~1 year from now games all right at 1920x, or should I just get a 1680x monitor for better FPS (I want it to be 100+.. or at least 60+)? I guess I could always play at lower resolution when it gets slow, so.. Dunno, 27" is very expensive too lol.
Motherboard
My Current choice: Gigabyte's GA-P35-DS3L
Past choices: Gigabyte's GA-P35C-DS3R/GA-P35-DS3R/GA-P35-DS3L or ASUS P5K (regular, not Deluxe).
I want to spend: $100-150-ish, unless it's absolutely necessary to spend more.
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $95. Hope the L model is as good as GA-P35C-DS3R in all other aspects but DDR3/RAID support - if so, I'll be happy with it.
Ok, this is the part I need the most help with. I've done some research and fished out the names of these two mobos... They seem to be all right for what I need, which is:
-1 video card, I don't think I'll be going for SLI
-DDR2 ram support, DDR3 is optional but I guess is nice to have for the future
-4 ram slots
-I've read that the Intel P35 chipset is pretty good..
-Standard features, a couple USB 2.0s, 3-4 SATA ports, LAN, sound, etc. nothing special
Between the two.. I like ASUS, but it seems Gigabyte might be a better choice since it allows me to upgrade to DDR3 in the future. But for now Im defnitely going with DDR2.
Update: I think I'll go for the Gigabyte P35x-DS3x. Now the question is which of these 3:
-GA-P35C-DS3R ($167): has RAID and DDR3 support
-GA-P35C-DS3R ($150): has RAID support
-GA-P35C-DS3L ($106): no RAID support
Those are the only differences as far as I can tell. Since I doubt I'll need RAID, maybe I should get the cheapest $105 one - that way I can upgrade it later on if the need arises, since I won't be losing much. Or maybe spend the $167 and have DDR3 support right away?
RAM
My Current choice: Corsiar Twin2X DDR2 PC-6400 800MHz XMS2 Xtreme Memory 2GB (2 x 1GB) Dual Channel Kit
Past choices: Crucial Ballistix (BL2KIT12864AA804) DDR2 800Mhz PC2 6400 2GB Kit (1GB x 2) 240-pin (and another 2GB in the future maybe)
I want to spend: $100-150
How sure am I about it: Already bought Corsair, $100 AR (vs. Crucial which is $147).
I know it's better to get a well known brand, but there are quite a few of them.. This corsair pack seems decent, so Ive picked it cuz it's the first one I found. I wanna get 2GB now, and maybe I'll get another 2GB later on if the need arises.
Update: I think I'll need to get something else if I'm going to OC that Q6600, I'll look into Crucial RAM. It seems pretty good too.
Hard-drive
My Current choice: WD Raptor 150 GB 10,000 RPM (and another WD Caviar 500 or 750 GB or two later on)
I want to spend: $200
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $205.
Just gonna get a fast raptor as my main drive, and get another 1 or 2 500/750~ish GB hard-drive for storage later.
Power-supply
My Current choice: Corsair HX620W PSU
I want to spend: $100-150~
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $130 AR.
It seems pretty important to get a good quality PSU, and I hear this one is pretty good (tier 2). Costs only $130 AR too.
Case
My Current choice: Cooler Master CM 690
I want to spend: $100 or less
How sure am I about it: Already bought, $71 after MIR.
Update: Thanks for the info, I've decided to get a CM 690 as it should suit my needs nicely.
So please let me know if this system sounds good, or if I should wait for something that'll come out sometime soon, cuz I want this new machine to be pretty close to top-end for at least a few months after I get it.
Sorry it's such a long post, but I tend to get wordy and I don't upgrade my PC often - so I have a lot of questions. I really want to get as much wow-factor (not the game) as possible, and I'm really excited, so I don't want to make bad choices (especially in RAM, Mobo, PSU and case - what I'm most unsure about) that I'll regret later.
Thanks to anyone who helps me out, 'preciate it.