Dear all, can you please tell me which are the best watercooling kits for 2008 as all the reviews i found where 2005/6

What about Peltiers + WaterCooling combinations is it a go ?

Thanks for looking

Ramon

this is probably ur best bet for a one stop shop: http://www.dangerden.com/

MCR320 + Laing D5 + D-Tek FuZion w/ Nozzle Kit + Swiftech Micro Res.

What are you looking to cool (components), what do you want to achieve (high OC?, quiet operation?, look cool?), and what is your budget?

For CPU Waterblock I would have to give it a tie between the D-Tek Fuzion (with nozzle kit for quad core users) or the EK Supreme - you couldn't go wrong with either one.

As for GPU waterblock, for me, the Swiftech Stealth is far and away the better block.

Peltiers are great, I've used them for both my CPU and GPU, what do you want to know about them? It might help us a bit more in answering your questions if you answered the ones that TonyL222 asked you.

Basically i will be insttaling the water cooling to OC my CPU and try to achieve a silent operation if possible. RE CPU i will be going either for a

Basically i will be insttaling the water cooling to OC my CPU and try to achieve a silent operation if possible. RE CPU i will be going either for a QUAD CORE or CORE 2 DUO. Which is the best to overclock and which do you suggest.
Mainly i will be using it for Gaming and Graphic design progrmas like Corel Suite, Adobe Photoshop etc...

I checked about the Swiftech MCR320 how come is it so well priced next to other radiators? Also would this fit on the front side of a Cooler Master Stacker 830 or how would you guys install it ?

Did you mean MCR220 or MCR360? You can go to the Swiftech site and the online description of each has a mech diagram with dimensions. You can see if they'd fit into the front of your case. They are excellent rads that are optimized for slow to medium speed fans (i.e., quiet). If all you want to cool is the cpu, then the MCR220 would be my choice. If you think you may want to add the gpu to the loop down the road, go with the MCR360.

- D-Tek Fuzion CPU Block & nozzle Accelerator kit - $67 (or Swiftech Apogee GTX)
- Swiftech MCP655 - $80
- Swiftech MCR360 - $45
- Swiftech MCB-120 radbox - $20 (for external mount, else not needed)
- Masterkleer 7/16" 10 ft - $6
- Swiftech MCRES-Micro - $20
- Distilled Water - $1
- 3x YATE LOON 120mm Case Fan - D12SM-12 - Medium Speed $11
- 3x Fan Grills $5
- 1x Primochill Utopia - $10 (or Swiftech HydrX or Pentosin plus PT Nuke)
- 10x Tubing clamps - $5

You could substitute the 220 for the 360. Even with the 220 you could probably add a 8800 seires gpu. The temps would be higher but still probably under the cpu/gpu red line. Still, I'd go with the 360 just for expandability. One thing to keep in mind. Mount the rad in the front usually means reducing the number of available bays. You could use the radbox for a rear mount.

Dear all thanks for all your great help! Seems that Swiftech is leading in watercooling as everyone seems going for this brand.

I did some research and found the following

The Swiftech MCRES Micro REservior seems like it has some issue, cracking near the hose fittings, cap issues and i also found a write up that if you do a larger reservior you will benefit of a 5 - 8 degrees ( is this true ??? )

What about the Cooling Works Single Bay Reservoir? any one had experience with this ? is it better than the MCRES-Micro ?

Re CPU Water BLock i will go witht he Fuzion + nozzle Accelerator, i also so this model ( Enzotech SCW-1 Sapphire CPU Waterblock, looks very PRO )

Re Coolant i think i will go for the Feser One F1 ( seems that is very good from its spec )

Swiftech MCB-120 radbox ( just found out how this works neat idea ) how about to connect VGA cables with DVI connectors is it an issue ?

Swiftech MCP655 pump looks the bomb also does this drain lots of power and can i use an external 12v power supply?

Re 120 Fans what type of CFM do you recommend and these are the brands i have availble to buy Scythe, Akasa, Thermaltake Smart Fan, Panaflo, Delta which brand do you recommend

re Radiator which is the best in cooling

ThermoChill PA120.2 2x120mm High Performance Radiator - $119.99
This is dual pass dual row

HW Labs Black Ice GTX240 - Black - $97.95
This is twp pass precool/aftercool

HW Labs Black Ice Xtreme II Dual 120mm - Black - $45.99
2-pass Double-row Low Pressure Drop Radiator

Swiftech MCR220-QP Quiet Power 2X120mm - Black - $39.95
2-pass single row

Logically i can say that the two pass two row is better right?

Re tubing i will be using Tygon sounds good hopefully
Re Clips are the nylon hose clamp any good ?

i think this is all

and thanks once again

I've been using the Swiftech MCRES Micro Reservior for over a year now and I've never experienced any issues with it leaking in any way.

The Enzotech waterblock is nice but, it's all bling because it doesn't perform anywhere near what you see in other top-of-the-line CPU waterblocks.

In a dual-pass radiator the water flows down one half-side, U-turns, and back up the other half-side. For multiple row cores, dual-pass is always better and flow restriction doesn't really come into it. The vast bulk of the flow restriction in these types of cores all comes from the fittings. The pressure drop difference is insignificant when water blocks are involved, so long as the radiators have correctly designed end-tanks. Higher CFM fans are more suited for this type of radiator.

Something else that you might consider if you o'clock more than one component (i.e CPU & GPU) is # of rads and rad placement. The reason I mention this is if you o'clock both the CPU and GPU then you have to figure that both components will be giving off alot of heat. If you have just one rad then that will mean that one of the two major components will have to suffer from the heat of the other. With a single rad for the two, no matter what rad it is, the flow of the loop will bring the heat from one component to the next one and that waterblock will have to deal with two heat sources like this:

reservoir - pump - cpu waterblock - gpu waterblock - rad - back to reservoir

or

reservoir - pump - cpu waterblock - rad - gpu waterblock - back to reservoir

In either case, the coolant will pick up the heat from one block and carry it to the next before it hits the rad again. This means that one of the blocks will not perform like you would want it to. This is, though, only a large concern if you o'clock both components. Just know that the o'clock CPU (especially if it is a quad) will generate alot of heat by itself. This is why I advocate the use of two rads when at all possible - one after each major waterblock - to ensure neither block have to suffer the heat from the other.

Just food for thought.....

understood 100% but i will be overclocking ny CPU only ( for the moment at least ). So if i use low speed fans would i still benefit from a dual pass dual row ?

Thanks

Swiftech is indeed a quality maker of WC hardware, but there are also others. The MicroRes is probably the most recommended reservoir on just about every WC forum on the net that I frequent. I have one as well. No issues here. The size of the res has no bearing on cooling - certainly not 5-8 degrees. In fact, many WC'ers don't use a res, but just use a T-Line instead. A res is a little bit easier to bleed for noob. I just prefer one. Some folks may prefer a bay res. More of a personal choice and not a cooling choice.

People will argue over coolant. Fesser 1 is more expensive than the choices I gave, but will work just as well.

Fans, I like the 77CFM (medium speed) Yate Loons. I think you said you wanted to keep things quiet. Try to go for the 38mm depth fans instead of 25mm. They lessen the dead spot on the rad where the fan hub is. If you go with the BI or PA, use a shroud for even better performance. Both have higher performance that the Swiftech - but they also cost twice as much and give you maybe a few degrees better performance. Not an issue if that's what you want. Any of them will cool your setup. As you can see, I have a PA120.3 myself.

Tygon is more costly, but you will notice the difference from other brands. Probably easiest for a noob to work with. MasterKleer is very good too. The nylon hose clamps work very well, some people even use zipties.

Lots of debate on loop order. Here's my conclusion. The only MUST in loop order is that the reservoir/T-Line needs to directly feed the pump and be place higher in the loop than the pump. Some will say that the pump should feed the cpu for best head pressure. Others will say that the rad should feed the cpu 'cause its the "coolest" water. I say - other than the res/pump relationship - that order really doesn't matter in a closed loop. Rather you should order your loop to minimize the amount of tubing (direct paths between components) and minimize tight bends (restrictions). In a closed loop, the temp will tend to equalize across the entire loop, and the delta from the coolest to the hottest will only be maybe 2 degrees.

Low CFM fans will produce some kind of result for you with the dual-pass but it won't be as effective. Generally, you would use low CFM fans with single-pass rads - though, those type are not as effective as their dual pass counterparts. If you want quiet, just stick with fans in the upper 20s to lower 30s in dBA output. In that area you should be able to get 120mm fans with a CFM anywhere from 40 - 80, which is excellent for dual-pass.

How about for the Swiftech MCP655 pump does this drain lots of power and can i use an external 12v power supply?