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8800GT vs ATI HD 3800

Total: 150 votes (27 blank votes)

  • Screw waiting, I'm getting an 8800GT right now!
  • 19 %
  • I really want an 8800GT, but I want to see how the 3800 competes
  • 12 %
  • I really want an 8800GT, but I'm nervous about no dx 10.1 support and want to see if the 3800 can match the 8800GT
  • 8 %
  • I'm not that impatient, I'll wait to see which is better, regardless of dx 10.1
  • 34 %
  • I'm not that impatient, I'll wait to see if the 3800 matches the 8800GT, and I care about dx 10.1
  • 24 %
  • I don't care about the 8800GT, I'm just waiting on the 3800
  • 6 %
October 29, 2007 10:37:08 PM

Well, the 8800GT is out and every review of it says it kicks all kinds of ass. I want one now, but with the HD 3800 on the very close horizon, I'm torn. I was wondering how everyone else was feeling. I'm probably #3, I really want an 8800GT, but I know I'll kick myself if in two weeks the 3800 matches performance, and has dx 10.1 capability.

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October 29, 2007 10:40:09 PM

My advice is wait. But i couldn't care less i have 8800gtx already. but still wait for trusted benchies then decide
October 29, 2007 10:42:00 PM

Get one now if you want. Or wait, do what you want with your money. Either way you won't be disappointed.
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October 29, 2007 11:00:39 PM

As you can see, I'm new on these boards. As such, I cannot figure out why the poll is closed. I've changed dates and options, but to no avail. Any ideas? (yes, you can flame me too)
October 29, 2007 11:04:16 PM

I'm going to wait and see the price-performance on the 3800 (and get some more money in the bank after buying my new car). I'm not that worried about DX 10.1 myself, but if the 3800 matches or exceeds the price-performance on the GT I may break my long-standing nVidia streak.
October 29, 2007 11:13:41 PM

I would wait. 8800gt looks to be a beast, but I think the 3800s will give it a run for its money. I think AMD/ATi is getting a little more in control after its merger. Either way (8800gt/3800) I don't think you will be disappointed.
a b U Graphics card
October 29, 2007 11:51:30 PM

Poll is not closed, it gives you the option to close the poll.

PS, I picked what I recommend #4.
a c 365 U Graphics card
October 30, 2007 12:02:07 AM

*YAWN*

I can wait.
October 30, 2007 6:08:28 AM

I'm surprised to see such a range of responses so early.
October 30, 2007 9:24:00 AM

I personally dont care about 8800GT.
I'm getting 3800 and nothing can hold me back. :) 
October 30, 2007 10:29:00 AM

If nothing else it's worth waiting for the 3800 to come out because it will push down the price of the 8800 GT (not an option on the poll, but I would've chosen it!). From the article I read at AnandTech.com I gather that the price drop is already built into the sales strategy for the 8800 GT. They said it would eventually be between $200 and $250 (yikes, that's tempting!) and the performance is supposedly 2x as good as my factory OC 7900 GT.

I can only see the 3800 being priced at something incomparable to the 8800 GT's really low price point. Seems like NVidia's executing its finishing move on what's left of ATI's business to me.

Edit: DX 10.1 is nice and all, but there are only like 5 games developed for DX 10 so far. There will be at least 2 or 3 more graphics card iterations before DX 10.1 is the standard in software. So it doesn't seem to make much sense to me to jump on the very first one that shows up.
October 30, 2007 10:43:35 AM

I think waiting a couple weeks would make sense.

The prices of the 8800GT should fall over the next couple weeks after the initial spike. The Suggested MSRP of the card is $249 and in general, GPUs sell for well under MSRP. As soon as the built up demand is satisfied, the price should come down.

This may also give a chance for some 8800GTs to show up w/ non-reference coolers.

During that time, you will also have a chance to see what the 3800 has to offer. I am very intrigued by the multi-GPU features.

October 30, 2007 10:44:18 AM

My decision would be on what card you are running now.

If you have a decent card already, just wait. Worst case scenario if you bought the 8800GT and the 3800 blew it away, you could just resell the 8800GT on eBay.
October 31, 2007 1:55:52 AM

I'd like to see a few more responses before I let this thread die.
October 31, 2007 2:09:19 AM

Would you taco a salad, or maybe??
October 31, 2007 2:23:34 AM

After seeing how poorly the Crysis demo runs on every card out, wouldn't it be best to wait another month?
October 31, 2007 2:30:37 AM

when is the 3800 supposed to get in reviews, or roll-out?
October 31, 2007 3:54:44 AM

Ara23 said:
when is the 3800 supposed to get in reviews, or roll-out?

15th November will be the launch time, maybe some benchies will leak before that but its few weeks to wait only anyway.
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 31, 2007 10:19:36 AM

Its got to be a sit and wait policy for me,why jump on a card straight away? yes its good but with competition on its way unless you know you dont want ATI/AMD then the only sensable thing is to wait.
There is always the posability that the 8800gt will drop in price as has been said.
I wouldnt worry about DX10.1 per say but if the two cards were close on every thing else then it may sway me,its not not meant to be a huge differance but i will take as much of an advancement in my hardware as i can get.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2007 5:11:11 PM

With so many GT cards sold-out and on back-order, it's almost a moot point now.
October 31, 2007 6:18:19 PM

My view is the 3800 is made to support 10.1 which has extra features that 10 doesn't so if it can do 10.1 which has more features and requirements then it should be able to 10 even better than straight 10 cards. We will see in 2 weeks if it's true.
October 31, 2007 7:34:57 PM

boredatcanon said:
My view is the 3800 is made to support 10.1 which has extra features that 10 doesn't so if it can do 10.1 which has more features and requirements then it should be able to 10 even better than straight 10 cards. We will see in 2 weeks if it's true.


I agree with this poster. If the 3800 is built to handle DX10.1 requirements which FORCE 4x AA along with other demanding requirements then it has to be fast by default. In my opinion, I suggest we all wait to see if ATI can match or exceed the G92. I'd hate to think AMD would be so ignorant that they would release a DX10.1 part that performs completely unacceptably. It would hurt them irrevocably and they know they can't afford negative results now. I have to put my confidence in the RV670 and R680 so I would definitely wait a mere two weeks to see the comparison against the G92.
October 31, 2007 8:06:21 PM

Exactly. The main problem with the 2000 series was with aa applied frames drop like crap so if it meets 10.1 this problem has to be fixed and it should perform atleast as good as the 2900xt.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2007 8:15:20 PM

You guys are confused, adding DX10.1 suport will not improve AA performance.

It would be like saying that because the FX5200 had added DX8.1 and DX9.0 support it would be faster than the GF4ti4600 in DX8.0 games, which it was not.
a c 130 U Graphics card
November 1, 2007 1:44:27 PM

Yes i agree with TGGA, while i can see where you guys are coming from with the assumption that because it has to have the abillity to run some AA by default to be DX10.1 compliant it should be better at it, But the thing is that it only has to do it. so it dosent have to follow that it will be good at it.
Mactronix
November 1, 2007 2:46:27 PM

How come I cant see the results... problem on my side or what? Just keeps saying "Sorry, you have already voted!" even tho im clicking "Show Results"

Strange :/ 
November 1, 2007 3:32:51 PM

yeah i get that aswell, i think its a forum issue.

I already posted about it in the bugs section about 2 months ago, but nothing has been done. Unless its not a bug at all....and we arent supposed to be able to see the results....in which case...why the hell not!? :D 
November 1, 2007 8:26:54 PM

NismoXT said:
How come I cant see the results... problem on my side or what? Just keeps saying "Sorry, you have already voted!" even tho im clicking "Show Results"

Strange :/ 


8800GT vs ATI HD 3800

1. Screw waiting, I'm getting an 8800GT right now!
18.6 %
16 votes

2. I really want an 8800GT, but I want to see how the 3800 competes
12.8 %
11 votes

3. I really want an 8800GT, but I'm nervous about no dx 10.1 support and want to see if the 3800 can match the 8800GT
4.7 %
4 votes

4. I'm not that impatient, I'll wait to see which is better, regardless of dx 10.1
31.4 %
27 votes

5. I'm not that impatient, I'll wait to see if the 3800 matches the 8800GT, and I care about dx 10.1
25.6 %
22 votes

6. I don't care about the 8800GT, I'm just waiting on the 3800
7.0 %
6 votes

November 1, 2007 8:42:10 PM

After an infinite development time an infinitely superior product will be produced.

Now who wants to live forever?
November 1, 2007 9:33:29 PM

If they offer the same performance then 10.1 support is just Icing on the Cake.
Can't wait to see the benchmarks in a a few weeks.
a c 130 U Graphics card
November 1, 2007 9:36:18 PM

Now i wouldnt say that i was a fan boy of any camp but it did occur to me that it was a bit sus that ATI/AMD were putting out such badly competitive cards but when you concider that they were introducing a completly differant architecture then there were always going to be teething problems. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing and while i have been dissapointed with the performance of the cards they have offered of late to the point that i honestly felt that my next upgrade would have to have at a GTS 640 in it or a GTX and nothing else was worth concidering, it was clear from the start that when some of the features of the cards new architecture came in to play they would be in a good position.I was mainly thinking of the tessilation unit at the time but the way the new arcitecture works should work well with the new components of DX10.1 when it becomes implemented,which should take some time so it seems that ATI/AMD do have a future as a GPU manufacturer after all.
Of course this is all purley conjecture on my part until the card comes out but if the latest review from toms is on the money it seems that they have a decent card on there hands at last,the thing is they had to put some thing on the market and maybe the 2900 was just a stepping stone to the full implementation of the new arcitecture.
As i said all conjecture and my own opinion for what its worth.
Mactronix
November 5, 2007 1:55:17 PM

I would say if nothing else we should all be rooting for ATI/AMD as you should hope they are successful unless you are an idiot. If you are nearing graduation of Highschool and still don't know that competition is a good thing and is exactly what built America, then something went awry. Short of subsidizing them, keeping ATI from failing (which they are not close to doing) is in everyone's best interests. Now of course there is something to be said that artificial support is anti-competition as well and bad companies need to be allowed to weed themselves out. But overall having one GPU manufacturer would be bad for everyone.
Chromatic-

So here's hoping its a stellar product! Fan boys, you are useful idiots and need not reply.
November 5, 2007 2:50:44 PM

justinmcg67 said:
Get one now if you want. Or wait, do what you want with your money. Either way you won't be disappointed.


You know what? I was gonna tell you to wait. Then I saw this post and changed my mind. At the price the 8800GT is at right now, go get it if you can't wait. You'll have a top performer anyway because their is no way the 3970-50 are gonna do this much better at the same price point.

If, like me, you're in no rush. Just wait for RELIABLE sourced benchmark. This exclude any leaked bench.

My 2 cents.
November 5, 2007 5:17:06 PM

I saw a post earlier that had an 8800 GT OC'd to 738 Core and got around 13,500 on a 3D Mark 06. If they weren't lying (they could have been), that is pretty impressive and will be a tough mark for the R670's to reach as I've heard they run around 11,500 on 3DMark06 (but then again, all speculation).

This is also assumin you give any credence to the 3DMark06 scores other than bragging rights. YMMV.
November 5, 2007 5:29:47 PM

How can you compare 2 cards when the other 1 isn't even announced untill Nov 12 or something? Especially since the GT is only a MAINSTREAM card which was the replacement card for the GTS.

Either way the ATI would win because of the advantage which is being able to pride itself in having direct X 10.1.
If you buy a direct X 10 card now, it will be like people felt when they had to choose between and DX 9 card with high performance or a DX 10 card with similar or lower performance.

I for one would rather have the technology:)  that way "supported" isn't an issue in the future.
November 5, 2007 5:32:58 PM

Liquid,

And by the time anyone is actually writing games for 10.1, MSFT will be on DX 11.0 and the 10.1 cards won't support it.
November 5, 2007 5:38:48 PM

It took a year for 10.1 to come out that was because they didn't have time to add the features in 10...not because they had some big new direct X 10 thing going on.

So i dont see 11 or any other direct X coming out anytime soon.

a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2007 6:59:22 PM

blade85 said:
yeah i get that aswell, i think its a forum issue.


Should be fixed now. I had no problem with FF, but IE was an issue. IE seems fixed now.
November 5, 2007 8:16:12 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Should be fixed now. I had no problem with FF, but IE was an issue. IE seems fixed now.

Its not fixed yet (at least for me), using FF 2.0.0.9. When I try to see results I get "You already voted" :pfff: 
November 5, 2007 8:48:01 PM

Waiting for the 3800 is the smart move. If the 3800 faster, than you can buy one with confidence. If its not faster, 8800gt prices will have dropped in the 2 weeks you've been waiting.
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2007 9:17:56 PM

Harrisson said:
Its not fixed yet (at least for me), using FF 2.0.0.9. When I try to see results I get "You already voted" :pfff: 


Ok, well I already voted, so I don't know.
Before the numbers were coming up garbled and bunched together, that's now fixed for me at work (was fine before on FF).

I'll see if I can reproduce it on another account before voting.
November 5, 2007 10:14:30 PM

i really want a 8800gt but i think its worth waiting for the 3800s

we all know the price of the 8800gt is at a premium right now due to demand but seeing that i found a site selling the 8800gt 512mb for £135 a few days before it was released (there was just no presale option) and i even posted a link in another forum, only to find it taken down on the day of release! its obvious retailers got together and decided to charge accordingly.

seeing though how much it could cost puts me off the @£180 current prices being offered now, i'd rather the 3800s were better and a price war ensued!
November 6, 2007 2:34:57 AM

I'd also be of the wait and see perspective. It's just that there are so many AMAZING gaming being released RIGHT NOW, that to have to wait a few more weeks for reviews and then shipping. It's just torture.
November 19, 2007 2:23:40 PM

I have'nt really seen any post release reviews on the HD 3800. I'm new to the gaming world and I don't know how the marketing world really works in this branch. But if the HD 3800's were to blow the geforce 8800's away, I think it could be good to let the public know about it....that way they will definately wait for the damn thing. On the other hand if the video card is comparable(a little higher a little lower depending on the game played) then they probably would'nt want pre-release reviews because people wont wait for it and just go with the 8800's....if you look at it this way then don't wait.....but it could result in quite the kick in the teeth if the 3800's surpass the 8800's. I recently bought the GT which has good quality for the price. And if you SLI the GT you get better performance than a single leading 8800's for pretty much the same price. This is my next upgrade. I would go with that but I'm not a high demanding gamer....no... let me re-phrase that; I am a high demanding gamer but don't necessarily need or want the top of the line best gaming system available.There you go. Theres my 2 cents. Peace
November 19, 2007 2:29:35 PM

oh...and don't expect the price of the GT OR 8800'S to fall in a couple of weeks ...IF its better than the HD 3800.....it could go up. The stocks are already low as it is. Everybody might end up jumping for it.... Its quite dificult to say which is gonna be better at this point. I think the bottom line is...if your a big gamer and demand the best than, sadly for now you best wait.
November 19, 2007 4:19:14 PM

We just setup both cards 8800 g92 and a radeon 3870 ... for comparison . Had the G92 versus 3850 test and the g92 ate it ! Don't waste time or money on the 3850 .... go for the 3870 or not at all . It was run on a flat screen with 1680x1050 res with 32 bit .... 59 hz . Since this is the most common setup . Just finished running all we could now on the latter setup ... By specs with Crysis / Razr 1911 version .
By the eye they both ran darn near the same .... by benchies I won't clutter up here .... sad to say the nvidia beat .... much to my dismay ... hoping better for competition . But I'll tell you one thing NEITHER one could handle Crysis maxed without stuttering at times or losing effects ! So take this backyard test with a grain of salt ... but sadly neither one so far from either company is going to give you all you can expect . If this is what we can expect from game design .... we're in trouble .... most of our guys got d*m tired of waiting and bought one of the two ... I'm going to try to hold out for the dual gpu models hoping better at descent prices .... but am I sick and tired of waiting too ! These were done on intel core2 duo 3 megs ... vita 32 bit premium .... with os set at performance and video standard settings changed back and forth . Playstation 3 is looking better all the time .... xbox 360's are still junk .... and video card manufacturers are not putting out the minimum for full effects yet .... what a b*tch !
One good point Best Buy already had the BFG - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT OC Graphics Card on sale for $ 249.99 which shows they will be on sale everywhere soon ! Our local boys scooped up 5 .... the chumps and did'nt tell me ..... no more free drinks here !!! LOL
a b U Graphics card
November 19, 2007 5:03:03 PM

trooper1947 said:

- Don't waste time or money on the 3850 ....




Well the HD3850 is still $100 cheaper sso it's still a consideration especially for anyone lookinf for a cool and quite card uner $200, which totally displaces the GF8600/HD2600 and X1950/X1650 cards. Easily the best sub $200 card, and a perfect fit for that category. So if you're looking for top end performance, then you're right the HD3850 doesn't mae much sense, but for where it is and where it's targeted it's a pretty perfect match.

Quote:
Playstation 3 is looking better all the time .... xbox 360's are still junk ....


As for the console statement other than not being the place :sarcastic:  ,
PS3, it's still a dog, and the X360 has it beat especially with the 65nm units, the only things the PS3 does well are BluRay and F@H, not that the X360 has much more either. But even that PS3-X360 fight is pointless as they both get pummeled by the lowly Wii, proving consoles are still a nothing issue really for some other place, because it's not their graphics that make them popular.
November 19, 2007 6:07:11 PM

i had an ati 9700pro that would play any game “at the time” on a motherboard with a sis chipset but on a nforce 2 motherboard it would stop and start it was at the time nvidia was at it with there drivers so i lost trust in them and they lost a customer but lets face it the 2900 was an abomination and that is why ati wants to distance it's self from the 2900 so a name change was in order. But i would like to see nvidia on its backside why? It would be good for all, they maybe open up there sli drivers for all motherboards
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