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October 19, 2007 6:10:21 PM

I am trying to build a gaming pc but I don't know alot about computer hardware. Below is a list of parts I am looking at. If you can make any suggestions that would be great (upgrade or downgrade). Also, I am thinking about buying the Q6600 and trying to overclock it. I would also like to get dual 8800GTX's down the road. What other parts would I need to do this? Thanks alot in advance!

(all prices from newegg.com, some are are mail-in rebate)
SILVERSTONE TJ09-BW Black Aluminum $270.00
Cooler Master Real Power 650W $125.00*
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 $280.00
ASUS P5N32-E SLI 650i $205.00
2x1GB Corsair XMS2-6400 DHX $110.00
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB 7200 RPM $85.00
XFX GeForce 8800 GTX 769MB $489.00
Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer $51.00

Total ~$1,700.00


*I have been reading the forums and people say this is not a very good power supply. Can you recommend any (with overclock and possible dual cards in mind)?

Games: CoD 4 (mainly), Quake Wars, Crysis

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October 19, 2007 6:28:22 PM

You better get something more suitable for SLI 8800's than a 650Watt PSU.

900Watt +

TT, Silverstone, OCZ, Seasonic, PC&P, BFG, Antec, FSP, Sparkle, Tagan, NZXT.

All units I myself would buy...
October 19, 2007 6:33:36 PM

Let's just say I only want one 8800 gtx now, what is a good psu (watts?) for that card plus a mild OC of the CPU.

Thanks.
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October 19, 2007 6:34:28 PM

Hmm. I'd say still stick with my suggestion then =)
October 19, 2007 7:44:26 PM

Check out the Corsair 620w psu. I have the 520 and reviews said that it handles SLI'd 7900s well. So I'm betting the 620 would work great. My 520w has a 120mm fan and its dead silent. For the price, these have the best quality.

Check out this link too. It may be useful when choosing specific models.
http://www.xoxideforums.com/power-supplies/71997-xfn-ps...
October 19, 2007 9:01:05 PM

The Corsair 620W is a fabulous PSU and I've personally recommended it countless times. However, it won't do for 8800 GTX SLI because it has only 4 PCI-E connectors and each of the two cards will need two connectors for itself.

Get this one:

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Crossfire Edition) EPS12V 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011

There's also a 750 Quad version that doesn't say "Crossfire". The only difference is that that one only works with 8800 GTX, while this one works with both 8800 GTX and 2900XT (because this one has 6/8Pin connectors rather than plain 6Pin). Either would be fine since you're getting GTX cards, but with this one you pay 1$ less (including shipping) and get more flexibility.



I got the same case, it's great. The two stock fans are quiet, and I have added 3 SFF21E fans in the optional slots. Strongly recommend you do the same. Use SFF21F instead of SFF21E because you will have two video cards and your Q6600 will be overclocked.


The hard disk you picked is smallish and not the fastest. Considering the amount you will spend on case and video cards, I think it's fair to spend more on the disk too. Get a WD7500AAKS, it will be visibly faster (and bigger, at 750 GB).


The mobo you picked is P5N32-E SLI Plus, right? It overclocks better than its P5N32-E SLI 680i equivalent, but it's based on 650i, yuck. How about an eVGA 680 A1 mobo instead?


You need a CPU cooler if you're serious about overclocking. Here are some ideas:

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7, $26
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
(cheap, easy to install, decent)

Scythe Ninja, $41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185038
(cheap, at this temporary sale price, hard to install, good with stock fan and excellent with stronger fan)

Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, with SFF21F fan, total $71+$30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185006&Tpk=SFF21F
(expensive, moderate effort to install, absolute best air-cooling combination AFAIK)

Read this for details:
http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i...
October 19, 2007 9:53:05 PM

PSU calculator indicates 620 watt minimum..... good call on the 750.

You can stick with a 680 board if you want...my preference is a P35

Any reason why should he go with a HDD thats 3/4 a TB? @ near $220?
For one I doubt he'll use that much drive space. Next I think he could pick up a couple smaller drives for raid setup, cheaper and still get better performance.


October 20, 2007 12:47:04 AM

He wants to add a second video card later. P35 does not support SLI. 680i supports it. If it wasn't for SLI, then I'd recommend P35 too.

Well, that HDD is very fast. I saw a review at PC Perspective where the 750 GB WD was totally humiliating the 400 GB WD and beating a Raptor X in several benchmarks. It's not just the size, it's better technology. As for the size, I dunno, I've got 1.5 TB myself right now, half used, so from my point of view 750 GB is decent. Depends on his needs, of course. Windows and Crysis together can fit in 30 GB, if necessary :) 

Yeah, RAID is a good way to speed things up too. Sinikal, do some research. There's a very good article on wikipedia (search for "RAID").
October 20, 2007 3:34:07 PM

Guys,

Thanks alot for the help! I have made some changes to my original setup based on your feedback.

ThermalTake Armor VA8000BWS Full Tower
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black)
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI

2x1GB Corsair XMS2-6400 DHX
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKB 500GB 7200 RPM
XFX GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB
Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer

total ~$1,600 after mail-in rebates

*bold are changes

I went with the 500GB HDD right now, my current computer has a 40GB HDD (!) and its barely full (price was also considered).

I also changed the mobo to eVGA A1 because the reviews on newegg say it is a good mobo and great for OCin. My only concern was some people mentioned taking heatsinks off the mobo and putting them back on with cement (or something) because they would fail when I OC'ed (i dunno).

Anyways, with this current setup should I purchase additional fans? (I changed the case)
October 20, 2007 9:43:57 PM

Cement??? :lol:  :lol:  :bounce: 


I wouldn't worry about additional fans, that case already has 4 of them and they do a great job. Maybe later, after you add the second video card.
October 20, 2007 11:07:37 PM

aevm said:
He wants to add a second video card later. P35 does not support SLI. 680i supports it.




True, but several messages down he said "only one 8800GTX for now"... if he waits for a large period of time, then there's no point in going SLI and dropping cash for a 2nd card; especially when the $$ from the 2nd GPU could be put into a newer generation.

What i'm saying. Unless he opts to do SLI with a two new top of the line cards ever..... there would
be no point in buying an SLI board. Delay simply kills price/performance



October 21, 2007 2:03:54 AM

Yeah... If he's absolutely sure he won't want SLI he could save $100 or so going with a P35 mobo. The problem is, how can he be sure of that, if nVidia refuses to say anything about release date/price/performance of its next top card. This stinks. We should start a petition :D 

October 21, 2007 3:13:16 AM

What about the antec 900 as a case? It seems to come with a well ventilated setup (esp. with the psu on the bottom and the 200mm exhaust up top, no?)
October 21, 2007 4:54:00 AM

Mr Cipher said:
What about the antec 900 as a case? It seems to come with a well ventilated setup (esp. with the psu on the bottom and the 200mm exhaust up top, no?)


Excellent case, excellent cooling, annoying lights (I think they can be disconnected, not 100% sure though).
October 23, 2007 3:07:07 PM

Guys, again, thanks a ton for the help.

I am having a few concerns about a couple things with my new setup.

I was looking at the ThermalTake 850w PSU instead of the current PC&C 750w. My concern is...will 850w be enough to power a Q6600 OC'ed, and 2 8800 GTX? The next step up is 1000w and they are really more money then I would like to spend. If the answer is no, then I might want to considering going with 1 GTX card (no SLI, which means another mobo).
October 23, 2007 4:10:14 PM

The PC P&C 750W can handle all that, unless you also add 10 hard disks and 12 fans. Here's a guy who has that PSU and a Q6600 at 3.2 GHz and two 8800 GTX cards. Send him a PM if you want...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244876-30-evga-680i-question-ocing-q6600

The Thermaltake 850W is an excellent PSU too, it was my 2nd choice in fact way back in July when I was doing my shopping list :lol:  Sure, it's not a bad idea, it gives you a bigger margin for going nuts with lots of disks and lights and fans and TV tuners and what not...

!