ATI HD 3800 Performance Speculation

Pretty simple poll for just pure speculation until some hard data comes in. How do you think the ATI HD 3800 will compare to the newly released and great performing nVidia 8800GT. No specific speeds or streams to be analyzed, just raw performance and the power to fuel demanding new games.

I dont think it will be far off performance wise, the price can be explained by the fact that it will be 55nm and not 65 like the 8800GT so will obviously be cheaper to make,also i feel ATI/AMD owe the people something they have some hardcore fans who have stuck by them while they have been going through all the probs with the 2900 etc. Of course this wont be reflected in the real world, They are trying to claw back some market share so the only real ways to do it are to have a very good card or a good card, not starteling but as near to the competition as makes no odds but at an attractive price.
Not wishing to hyjack the thread but i would like to add a question of my own to run alongside if i may?
How much of a performance deficite would you take to get the DX10.1 that is on the 3800?

Thats what i thought until i read the toms article on the subject sorry dont have a link to hand its under articles and reviews.
mactronix

REMEMBER THIS: There will be RV670 based HD 3850 and 3870's released. The 3850 will be slower than an 8800GT. The 3870 will be on par with an 8800GT. The R680's will own everything up for a month or so until Nvidia pulls out their G92 based highend card in December or January. These are DX10.1 cards. They are built to run games at 4x AA by default. They probably won't be as sluggish in texture filtering duties as my poor 2900XT =)

You forgot the poll question, the Hype, FUD, prognostication of the HD3800 will grow exponentially as we approach the launch date, so much so it will slow down time to make both cards appear to perform better than they do in real life.

10/10 for future prediction

ro3dog, It comes with both.

First you need SP1, then you need the game to add the features supported.

Well it's kinda like what they've done before with the launch of the GF6800GS and X800GTO and the GF7950GT and X1950Pro/GT. It's near the end of the life before the G100/R700, so really do you waste your effort on another refresh or get ready for your last hurrah with intel waiting to jump into the fray?

I it worth making the last GIANT-GPU where the 33-50% boost in performance required of a 'new Top-end' is on 1 chip, or do you get ready to launch your next solution that involves multi-cores? And if it involves multi-cores would you not launch the single core version first and test it's capabilities while refining your multi-core solution/support?

I think this is the way of the future, whereas before we saw them launch the big dog first, and trickled down the tech to the mid-range, but since the top cards will now be modular, they will either launch them all at once or launch the single chip solution first and then the high end.

So in order to not kill their top end they limit the support for individuals combining these to beat the top end, just like the GT is shut-out of TRi SLi, I think the same will happen in the modular future.

Just my 2 frames' worth as always.

I think the new 38xx cards will be better than the 8800gt due to the 55nm process and newer architecture, which is why ati didn't name it the hd2950 series.