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The New King of Cooling

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January 31, 2008 6:27:57 PM

Scythe it really kicking butt this first month of 2008 with new releases. The popular 120mm S-Flex fans now have little siblings in the "Kama Flex" 80mm and 92mm form factors. Two new controller panels dubbed "Kaze Master" (that I think look pretty good) were also released, but the big news is there three new CPU heatsinks, the Ninja Copper, Shuriken, and the Zipang.

http://www.scythe-usa.com/

The Zipang is now available on Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and is cheaper that the Thermalright Ultra 120 (vanilla and Extreme) and comes with a massive 140mm fan. It features 6 heatpipes, and should have incredible cooling performance. I can't wait til Anandtech, Frosty Tech, and Silent PC Review get ahold of this thing. It's totally going to blow the doors off the T.R.U.E. and Xigmatek S1283.

I also like the Anniversary Edition Ninja Copper. They took what they learned from making the Mini Ninja and applied it to this redesign by spacing out the heatpipes for a better temperature gradient across the cooling surfaces with less resistance.

I know I'm excited about the new offerings from the Scythe camp, hopefully they can take the cooling crown outright this time.

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January 31, 2008 8:11:03 PM

An 80mm fan with a CFM of 34 and a dBA of 30? That sucks.

January 31, 2008 8:21:00 PM

I don't believe manufacturer's dBA claims. I like review sites with very scientific setups and repeatable and consistant results (like SPCR). Wait til they get ahold of one and see how it stacks up to their unmatched fan testing procedure.

I think for years manufacturers have deflated noise numbers to make their products seem much more valuable. I believe an industry standard needs to be mandated to stop this rediculous practice, and make everything much more clear and fair for the consumer.
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January 31, 2008 8:21:41 PM

Hate to break it but theres no way that Zipang is going to beat a true.

1) The heatsink is much smaller
2) That fan only pushes 55CFM....thats almost nothing and it blows down which doesnt push the hot air out of the case

And until a review does come...theres no need for this new King crap.
January 31, 2008 8:28:29 PM

It weighs a little more than the TRUE, but it also has a fan.

I'm interested in how it performs.
February 5, 2008 9:29:27 PM

If its anything like the usual performance of these setups, itll be bad.
February 6, 2008 6:10:02 PM

KyleSTL said:


I know I'm excited about the new offerings from the Scythe camp, hopefully they can take the cooling crown outright this time.



Haha, you are like me dude. I find heatsink designs pretty fascinating. What is SPCR? How do they test their sinks? I like how FrostyTech uses a heating plate with an accurate digital thermometer rather than CPUs and mobo readings. It doesn't tell you how it will do on a CPU but it gets right down to how well a sink can lower temps.
February 6, 2008 8:09:03 PM

Ha ha, king nothing. It didn't even dethrone the Thermalright Ultra 120. Not that it is an easy task, but the Thermalright Ultra 120 extreme seems to have done it.

The price is good considering it comes with the fan, but still more than I bought my ultra 120 and a fan for. The finish on the base is fantastic though. I am curious what Frostytech and AnandTech think of it. Probably will take a spot in the top 10, but unlikely to make it to the kingpin position.
February 6, 2008 8:33:22 PM

SpinachEater said:
Haha, you are like me dude. I find heatsink designs pretty fascinating. What is SPCR? How do they test their sinks? I like how FrostyTech uses a heating plate with an accurate digital thermometer rather than CPUs and mobo readings. It doesn't tell you how it will do on a CPU but it gets right down to how well a sink can lower temps.

SilentPCReview.com

Their methodology isn't quite as good as FT's, but they bring other interesting things into the mix (like standard fans and whatnot).
dsb1829 said:
Ha ha, king nothing. It didn't even dethrone the Thermalright Ultra 120. Not that it is an easy task, but the Thermalright Ultra 120 extreme seems to have done it.

The price is good considering it comes with the fan, but still more than I bought my ultra 120 and a fan for. The finish on the base is fantastic though. I am curious what Frostytech and AnandTech think of it. Probably will take a spot in the top 10, but unlikely to make it to the kingpin position.

I agree, I want to see it on frosty tech and anandtech's graphs. I think it's probably going to be one of the best high performance silent coolers after all the reviews are out.
February 6, 2008 8:56:06 PM

What's wrong with Intel pushpins? I'm about to buy a Freezer 7 Pro.
February 6, 2008 8:57:59 PM

Theyre just a pain. Nothing to worry about, theyre just annoying to use

Freezer 7 Pro is still a good cooler
February 6, 2008 8:59:31 PM

Yeah pushpins are a pain. They are also pretty weak, so heavy coolers might break them.
February 7, 2008 12:58:00 AM

dsb1829 said:
Ha ha, king nothing. It didn't even dethrone the Thermalright Ultra 120. Not that it is an easy task, but the Thermalright Ultra 120 extreme seems to have done it.

The price is good considering it comes with the fan, but still more than I bought my ultra 120 and a fan for. The finish on the base is fantastic though. I am curious what Frostytech and AnandTech think of it. Probably will take a spot in the top 10, but unlikely to make it to the kingpin position.



Oops, check out the Xigmatek....that I call the KING.

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
February 28, 2008 2:15:38 AM

Holy COW! I spoke too soon about the Zipang, it's been supplanted by the Orochi. This thing is behemoth:

http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/036/scorc1000_det...
http://www.frostytech.com/

10 heatpipes, 194 x 155 x 120 mm! Wow. And 1285g, that's closing in on 3 pounds with fan!

I also wonder what the 'surprise' that frosty tech is speaking of...

I thing we have a new ultra-heavyweight champion.

EDIT: I think these two pictures say it all:



February 28, 2008 2:20:51 AM

Size and weight isn't everything. Let's hope it outperforms the TRUE, after all it costs $78!
March 2, 2008 4:27:21 PM

SpinachEater said:
Oops, check out the Xigmatek....that I call the KING.

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm


TRUE is still the most efficient, when it comes to cooling. Xigmatek got the first place, because TRUE was a bit noisier. So when it comes to the cooling, TRUE is still the king.
March 2, 2008 7:17:52 PM

xzec said:
TRUE is still the most efficient, when it comes to cooling. Xigmatek got the first place, because TRUE was a bit noisier. So when it comes to the cooling, TRUE is still the king.


Did you even read the review? It states that the Xigmatek outperforms the TRUE at higher temperatures. The Xigmatek does not however beat the TRUE in reality. It is a few (1-3c) degrees higher in general. The Xigmatek is less than half the price however. The Xigmatek may not outperform the TRUE, but it is better than it in price, and is almost exactly the same in performance. The Xigmatek IS the king, thanks to its performance, price, and quality.
March 3, 2008 1:48:56 AM

Well, those are some interesting but not particularly good heatsink designs from Scythe. They shouldn't have decided to put 4 rows of heat pipes in the finned section. By the time the air reaches the that 4th row of heat pipes the LMTD will have decreased significantly. They would have been much better off keeping all of the heat pipes in a single plane.

I can't help but think of the old automotive radiators. For a long time people insisted that if you had a big V8 engine you needed a 4 core radiator or else it would overheat. Eventually people realized that each successive core in the radiator was progressively less efficient than the previous one and hence it was discovered that a single core radiator will cool much better than a multi core radiator of the same size.
March 3, 2008 6:09:37 AM

The_Blood_Raven said:
Did you even read the review? It states that the Xigmatek outperforms the TRUE at higher temperatures. The Xigmatek does not however beat the TRUE in reality. It is a few (1-3c) degrees higher in general. The Xigmatek is less than half the price however. The Xigmatek may not outperform the TRUE, but it is better than it in price, and is almost exactly the same in performance. The Xigmatek IS the king, thanks to its performance, price, and quality.


Yeah, you're right. But still, I would say TRUE is better. But correct me if I'm wrong, but TRU is better than TRUE? (Thermalright 120-Ultra vs. Thermalright 120-Ultra Extreme). And I couldn't see that they used a fan or two, but that's my question. If I add two 120mm fans on TRU and TRUE (1300-2000RPMx2), who's the best then?

Kind regards,
Nymph.
March 3, 2008 11:52:01 AM

xzec said:
Yeah, you're right. But still, I would say TRUE is better. But correct me if I'm wrong, but TRU is better than TRUE? (Thermalright 120-Ultra vs. Thermalright 120-Ultra Extreme). And I couldn't see that they used a fan or two, but that's my question. If I add two 120mm fans on TRU and TRUE (1300-2000RPMx2), who's the best then?

Kind regards,
Nymph.

If you just looked at the two you'd know the answer to that one. TRU has 4 heatpipes (8 effective) and TRUE has 6 (12 effective). The TRUE is theoretically better. READ the FT review and you'll know why it didn't perform as well as it's older sibling.
March 3, 2008 12:05:41 PM

KyleSTL said:
If you just looked at the two you'd know the answer to that one. TRU has 4 heatpipes (8 effective) and TRUE has 6 (12 effective). The TRUE is theoretically better. READ the FT review and you'll know why it didn't perform as well as it's older sibling.


I'm sorry that I've been acting like a "Ask questions before reading a damn thing!"-noob. But thanks anyways :) 

Kind regards,
Nymph.
March 3, 2008 8:04:35 PM

No problem xzec, we all do it. The pure truth is the Xigmatek performs at most 1 degree lower than a TRU and slightly beats the TRUE in higher heat dissipation. Being that its less than $30 on Newegg you can not beat the price to performance ratio. If you want a real sick cpu cooler though, then replace the stock fan with a Silverstone FM121 for $15 and you have amazing cooling for less than $45, less than the TRU and TRUE. The only thing is that I can not find anything about Phenom, or AM2+, support though I suspect it supports it, or the company has a bracket for the AM2+ socket. After all its almost exactly the same as an AM2 socket and can most likely fit on an AM2+ socket with the AM2 bracket. Does anyone know anything about this?
March 4, 2008 5:07:39 AM

The_Blood_Raven said:
No problem xzec, we all do it. The pure truth is the Xigmatek performs at most 1 degree lower than a TRU and slightly beats the TRUE in higher heat dissipation. Being that its less than $30 on Newegg you can not beat the price to performance ratio. If you want a real sick cpu cooler though, then replace the stock fan with a Silverstone FM121 for $15 and you have amazing cooling for less than $45, less than the TRU and TRUE. The only thing is that I can not find anything about Phenom, or AM2+, support though I suspect it supports it, or the company has a bracket for the AM2+ socket. After all its almost exactly the same as an AM2 socket and can most likely fit on an AM2+ socket with the AM2 bracket. Does anyone know anything about this?


TRU and TRUE does support AM2 and AM2+, but there does not come any brackets with it. Stated from Thermalright's website: (Both Ultra-120A and Ultra-120 eXtreme do not include a backplate for AM2&AM2+ systems. If you have motherboard manufactured by either Asrock or Gigabyte that utilizes the push pin method, you will need to make a separate purchase for an AM2 metal backplate.).

But there is possible to take the AM2 bracket on an AM2+ motherboard, that's no problem. Or at least, it shouldn't be.

Kind regards,
Nymph.
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