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January 31, 2008 6:56:18 PM

should i overclock? i have a antec p182 with 4 fans set on high , and a zalman 9700NT running at full speed. i checked bios and i have my cpu running @ 28c and mobo 31c , for some wierd reason i have cpu-z showing me my cpu is running @ 1.6ghz and my memory ( crucial ballistix which is suppose to be 4-4-4-12 ) shows it running @ 5-5-5-18.

what programs can i use to view my temps on windows becuase with MBM5 i cant see any temp readings.

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January 31, 2008 7:09:53 PM

For thermal monitoring, you have a few choices:

Core Temp, SpeedFan, or Everest. Each have different features. The first two are free, but Everest you'll have to pay for to get the version that is worth using.

The reason that CPU-z is showing your proc running at 1.6 is Intel Speedstep Technology. It's a power saving feature. Put your CPU under load and look again, it will show the proper speed. Also, if you didn't set your memory timings manually in BIOS, then your motherboard will pickup the SPD settings according to whatever memory you installed. Set all of that manually.
January 31, 2008 7:12:43 PM

i did i set it to Manual and put the timings 4-4-4-12 , but hten my pc turned off , i tried turning it on again then for a second it came on and turned off again , then after a minute it went back to normal , what did that happen? im scared to mess wit the bios now
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January 31, 2008 7:20:29 PM

Question: Did you raise the DDR2 voltage?? standard is 1.8v and Crucial Ballistix is at 2.2v so raise it 0.4v

Yeah, go ahead and overclocked. Just make sure you stay in the limits (temps and voltage).

P.S. Hows that awesome system I build ya doing :D 
January 31, 2008 7:21:59 PM

hey silverion , its beastly :D ~ and i figuired out its been running @ 7x multiplayer so i just fixed that a few days, thanks for all your help.

where can i raise the voltage for the memory do i have to press the ctrl + F1.
January 31, 2008 7:34:32 PM

if i set my memory to Manuel and 4-4-4-12 , my computer turns automaticly off and does not turn back on for about a min-2 , then it turns on for about 1 sec and turns off again then it turns on eventually in another 2-3. why is it doing this? am i damaging my pc? im scared lmao.

so why cant i put my memory timings to Default (4-4-4-12) and why it turning off and why is this going on :X im really scared that if i try to mess wit the bios my pc wont turn on again.
January 31, 2008 7:41:51 PM

what board do you have???

It should be near the vCore for the Cpu....my guess is that the ram is just undervolted and failing...if you raised it, get memtest86 v3.3 (not 3.4) ot memtest86+ and run that to see if you have dud sticks
January 31, 2008 8:35:54 PM

u git DS3L rev 2.0 , how long does memtest take? it was sayign something about i have to run 2 progs because it does not work for 2gigs
January 31, 2008 8:37:28 PM

.....never saw that before....I just let mine run overnight.
January 31, 2008 8:47:57 PM

how long should it take?
January 31, 2008 8:53:27 PM

best is overnight. It will just keep running till you stop it. Most likely if there are major problems with the ram it will pick it up right away
January 31, 2008 9:05:23 PM

ok so what about my pc actually turnning off and not turning back on , im scared there would be a time where it would never turn back on.
January 31, 2008 9:07:50 PM

once again...the ram is most likely crashing the system

instability
January 31, 2008 9:11:05 PM

NezaH said:
i did i set it to Manual and put the timings 4-4-4-12 , but hten my pc turned off , i tried turning it on again then for a second it came on and turned off again , then after a minute it went back to normal , what did that happen? im scared to mess wit the bios now

That's probably a mobo feature. Mine does that too, when your settings are unstable.
January 31, 2008 9:32:06 PM

why would it not be stable tho , if crucial ballistix is suppose to run @ 4-4-4-12.
January 31, 2008 9:33:15 PM

did you up voltage or its faulty ram
January 31, 2008 9:33:28 PM

NezaH said:
why would it not be stable tho , if crucial ballistix is suppose to run @ 4-4-4-12.

Dunno, not enough voltage? Too much voltage?
January 31, 2008 9:36:19 PM

o so if the voltage isnet right it wont run @ those settings? well i dont nkow where the voltage thingy is and none are @ 2.2 but there is like 0.1 , 0.2 , and it goes up to 0.7

but what about the mobo setting that it turns off and it wont turn back on , is that a safety thing? im scared that it wont turn back on again and i dont wanna mess wit the mobo by reseting the battery or nething.
January 31, 2008 9:40:19 PM

the DDR2 voltages (right above vCore) are adding to the 1.8 so set it to +0.4

The reset thing is normal, mine does it when my clocks were unstable
January 31, 2008 9:40:46 PM

I'm going to sum it up with this.

TIMINGS IS NOT EVERYTHING. THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS. RAISE THE VOLTAGE TO +0.4v (On the Gigabyte).

The reason it's turning off is a failsafe BIOS feature so you don't destroy your computer.

Stop, re-read the explanations and start over, you have no clue what you are doing and you will end up messing up your computer unless you learn and take people's advice.

NOWHERE have I seen you say "I've tried to raise voltage."

Crucial Specs at 2.2v (NOTICE JEDEC STANARD IS 1.8v)

667 MHz - 3-3-3-12
800 MHz - 4-4-4-12
1066 MHz - 5-5-5-18
January 31, 2008 9:48:56 PM

ok the other thing is i get how FSB and multiplyers work with the CPU but how do MHZ and timings work with memory? is it better to have my ram @ 800mhz 4-4-4-12 or 1066mhz @ 5-5-5-18 and why?
January 31, 2008 9:50:46 PM

seriously no difference....some argue tighter timings are better others say frequency.

For you personally Id say do 800 4-4-4-12. Its easier to make sure its stable and wont do unnecessary stress
January 31, 2008 9:53:29 PM

NezaH said:
ok the other thing is i get how FSB and multiplyers work with the CPU but how do MHZ and timings work with memory? is it better to have my ram @ 800mhz 4-4-4-12 or 1066mhz @ 5-5-5-18 and why?

You don't know this and decided to OC? :??:  That's quite dangerous...

1066MHz @ 5-5-5-18 would be slightly faster than 800MHz @ 4-4-4-12. Why? 1/1066 x 5 < 1/800 x 4

EDIT: Changed "slower" to "faster".
January 31, 2008 9:59:57 PM

Evilonigiri said:
You don't know this and decided to OC? :??:  That's quite dangerous...

1066MHz @ 5-5-5-18 would be slightly slower than 800MHz @ 4-4-4-12. Why? 1/1066 x 5 < 1/800 x 4


1/1200x5 = 0.0041s
1/1066x5 = 0.0047s
1/800x4 = 0.005s

Actual Numbers:

DDR2-1200 MHz (5-5-5-15):

Int/Floating Bandwidth: 8114.67/8123.33
Latency: 60ns

DDR2-800 MHz (4-4-4-12):

Int/Floating Bandwidth: 7156/7163.33
Latency: 75ns

All testing done on Transcend AxeRam with a 1600 MT/s FSB.

Speed is everything, timings are secondary (imo).
January 31, 2008 10:03:25 PM

Oh drats, I meant slightly faster...
January 31, 2008 10:04:26 PM

Evilonigiri said:
Oh drats, I meant slightly faster...


I figured, and then the > was the right way. So I figured I'd put that up there.
January 31, 2008 10:06:56 PM

You know, I'd say timings are equally as important than speeds.

That way I don't have to buy DDR3.
January 31, 2008 10:07:54 PM

Evilonigiri said:
You know, I'd say timings are equally as important than speeds.

That way I don't have to buy DDR3.


So why aren't you still running CAS 2.5 DDR400 or DDR2677 CAS 3? :kaola: 
January 31, 2008 10:08:36 PM

cnumartyr said:
So why aren't you still running CAS 2.5 DDR400 or DDR2677 CAS 3? :kaola: 

Cause they cost more, duh. :sarcastic: 
January 31, 2008 10:23:13 PM

ok so later on im going to up the voltage by +0.4 , about memtest , it was saying i couldnt run memtest on 2048mb so it told me to run 2 memtests but i dont know if i have ti run both at the same time or just keep 1 idle and run the other
January 31, 2008 10:25:23 PM

I take it that you're running memtest in Windows? Bad idea. You should burn a bootable iso of memtest to a cd and boot with it to run memtest.
January 31, 2008 10:25:57 PM

for memtest, mnake a boot CD. In windows it wont be able to test the memory used by the OS. and 1 run should do 2 gigs
January 31, 2008 10:59:49 PM

If you don't know how to do that, then stop your OC now. :) 
February 1, 2008 12:10:52 AM

so by booting a cd just burn the image file with Daemon Tools of Power Iso and just let it run without windows mode?
February 1, 2008 12:12:33 AM

Iso burner is fine....burn onto a CD and boot from it from in Bios hit CD boot first before HDD
February 1, 2008 4:39:58 PM

alrighty :D  , btw should i go threw Memtest since the memory is suppose to be running @ 2.2v 4-4-4-12.
February 3, 2008 2:34:57 AM

should i go threw Memtest since the memory is suppose to be running @ 2.2v 4-4-4-12.
February 3, 2008 2:39:34 AM

dont get the question...put the memory at stock settings and run memtest
February 3, 2008 11:28:57 PM

i was searching google for 1066mhz vs 800mhz and i came across this in a post.

"For DDR2-800 PC2-6400 memory I'd look for 5-5-5-15 or better (lower
numbers in any / all positions) timings, and I'd look for 2 or 4
matched model DIMMs of 2GB/DIMM or 1GB/DIMM capacity.
I'd look for voltage of 1.8 (best), 1.9 (good), 2.0 (OK), or 2.1 (OK but
lower would be better) volt specified RAM voltage operation *AT*
800 MHz 5-5-5-15 speed."

so lower the voltage for the memory the better?
February 3, 2008 11:33:32 PM

no....well....sort of

You run at the specified voltage...All the specified voltage means is that at that voltage it can run at the speed rated.
If possible, lower voltage is better = less heat, but might make it unstable
February 4, 2008 12:00:42 AM

so im guessing i cant run 4-4-4-12 @ 1.8 since my pc wont even start at those settings? so should i try making it 1.9 then tryhing then 2.0 or just leave it @ 2.2
February 4, 2008 12:03:52 AM

If the Ram is rated at 800 4-4-4-12 @ 2.2v leave it at 2.2v. Going less might make it unstable...any other voltage and your technically overclocking
February 4, 2008 12:15:20 AM

The point of that was this:

If there are 2 sets of RAM, both running at 800 MHZ 4-4-4-12 and they have 2 voltages ratings: 1.8v and 2.2v the 1.8v kit is better. Why? Less heat, less mitigation, and it can possibly overclock better because there is more voltage head room.

IF THE RAM IS RATED AT 2.2V WHY THE HELL ARE YOU STILL RUNNING IT BELOW THAT.

EDIT: HAVE YOU EVEN RUN MEMTEST OFF THE BOOT DISK AT 2.2V BEFORE TRYING 1.8V?
February 4, 2008 12:39:00 AM

cnumartyr said:
The point of that was this:

If there are 2 sets of RAM, both running at 800 MHZ 4-4-4-12 and they have 2 voltages ratings: 1.8v and 2.2v the 1.8v kit is better. Why? Less heat, less mitigation, and it can possibly overclock better because there is more voltage head room.

IF THE RAM IS RATED AT 2.2V WHY THE HELL ARE YOU STILL RUNNING IT BELOW THAT.

EDIT: HAVE YOU EVEN RUN MEMTEST OFF THE BOOT DISK AT 2.2V BEFORE TRYING 1.8V?

I dunno about that, my Patriot RAM is rated at 2.2V and I have to run it at 1.9V in order to be stable. Any higher will cause instabilities.
February 4, 2008 12:45:16 AM

But Evil...he should test it at what it is rated to be safe. Just so we kno its stable
February 4, 2008 12:49:58 AM

Silverion77 said:
But Evil...he should test it at what it is rated to be safe. Just so we kno its stable

Yeah I know. It's just that when I go at 2.2V, prime95 fails within a few sec. Just to be sure, test all the voltages.

Maybe it's my crappy mobo.
February 4, 2008 12:53:11 AM

Evilonigiri said:
Yeah I know. It's just that when I go at 2.2V, prime95 fails within a few sec. Just to be sure, test all the voltages.

Maybe it's my crappy mobo.


I think it's your hybrid.
February 4, 2008 12:58:09 AM

cnumartyr said:
I think it's your hybrid.

Either that or the board's giving more voltage than stated. When running 4x1GB at the rated 4-4-4-12, all I need is 2.0V when it's suppose to be 2.2V.
February 4, 2008 2:48:33 AM

ive never ran memtest because i figured if its suppose to run at those speeds it would be stable , so you guys are saying my mobo + ram should be able to pull off a 4-4-4-12 timings @ 1.8v?
February 4, 2008 2:58:22 AM

NezaH said:
ive never ran memtest because i figured if its suppose to run at those speeds it would be stable , so you guys are saying my mobo + ram should be able to pull off a 4-4-4-12 timings @ 1.8v?

No, if your ram is rated at 2.2V, you should use 2.2V. I'm just saying if that doesn't work you can try other voltage level just to see if it'll work or not.
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